Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
W dniu 17.09.2014 10:13, Joel Rees pisze: > > Very nice social engineering job. Turned into a nice tarpit, too. > You are really overrating my ability, all I wanted to do was to share my opinion and start a mature discussion about why systemd is not welcome in the Linux community. And honestly, if I knew that it would spark such a flame war I wouldn't post this. But i guess i should have known better. > Guys we've got better things to do than get sucked into this kind of > quibbling. > I agree this went a way too far. From a discussion of why systemd is bad and how it can be replaced it became a meta-discussion of whether it is or is not a flame war, and whether it is or is not a appropriate topic on this mailing list. > Steve's working on alternatives to debian+systemd.* and I'm trying to > figure out what useful function systemd and friends really perform so > that we can make something that the developers can use instead. Steve > seems to be having more success than I. > That's good to hear, creating alternative is always a better solution than fighting to the death. > Anyway, let's do this the open source way and shut up and start coding > ways to get out of this mess. Agreed. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
W dniu 15.09.2014 19:39, Joe pisze: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400 > Doug wrote: > >> On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote: >>> Bartosz Olender writes: >>> > Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion >>> > reminding that "GNU is *Not* Unix" >>> >>> May I recall that most of the systemd-haters knows the recursive >>> expansion of GNU? >>> >> >> Most of us are no interested in what Stallman or whoever created back >> in 1995. We don't think of Linux as GNU. Linux is much more Unix than >> anything else. And it certainly is _not_ what GNU was back then. >> >> I don't like to get involved in this dumb tirade, but the GNU business >> grates on me! >> > > It's all irrelevant. Bad programming practice is bad programming > practice, wherever and however it occurs. Bad programming practice can > be acceptable if it brings benefits large enough to outweigh the > badness. > I am not defending systemd programmers but, could you clarify what do you exactly mean by bad programming practices? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
I am probably one of the few people (at least from what I can see by following this topic) on this mailing list, that don't mind systemd and see that the benefits of switching to it outclass the negatives. Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion reminding that "GNU is *Not* Unix" and because of that we should have the freedom to create better solutions, rather than being a UNIX purist and keeping it old-school. Plan 9 is considered a "spiritual successor" to UNIX with it's principles taken to the extreme. But it never took off, it's still researched on but as I see it, besides researching how far we can push this UNIX concept, I don't think we will see a practical use for it. If you don't want to accept systemd as advancement for GNU/Linux platform (especially desktop) and rather stay with the pure UNIX approach, maybe it's time to switch to an actual UNIX and not use "UNIX-like" GNU/Linux. Of course I don't bash the concept of UNIX because it's a great foundation on witch many successful operating systems are built, like various flavors of BSD, GNU/Linux, and some commercial implementations. From what I predict the future for Debian doesn't look that great, I think that either most current users unhappy with systemd switch will migrate to Gentoo or BSDs, or we will see another fragmentation of Linux community and people will start forking distributions just for the sake of keeping sysvinit on life support, for the sake of UNIX purism. W dniu 14.09.2014 15:11, lee pisze: > Martin Read writes: > >> On 13/09/14 20:54, lee wrote: >>> Can you have, say, KDE on Gentoo without systemd? "Without systemd" >>> means *all* of systemd, like systemd-login0 etc.. >> >> [...] >> >> The best place to ask would be the user community discussion spaces >> (mailing lists / web forums / IRC channels) for KDE and/or for Gentoo >> Linux. > > Hm, I think I'll subscribe to the Gentoo mailing list and ask what their > position about systemd is. I doubt that by using Gentoo, you could > evade systemd ... > > Not that I'm using KDE, but when you now can't have a fully functional > Linux system as you could have with sysvinit without depending on > systemd, then it's really time to look for alternatives to Linux. > > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Weather forecast through applet not available in Europe?
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:37:39PM +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: > From http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/16726.html, it appears to > be possible to show the weather forecast. This seems to rely heavily (if > not entirely) on www.weather.com. However, despite the fact that I am > not in France, but in Belgium (which is pretty the same for the weather > and regional info), I am never able to get weather forecast. Does the > same problem appear in France too? Why is it so? Works fine in Poland. regards fEnIo -- ,''`. Bartosz Fenski | mailto:fe...@debian.org | pgp:0x13fefc40 | irc:fEnIo : :' : 32-050 Skawina - Glowackiego 3/15 - malopolskie v. - Poland `. `' phone:+48602383548 | proud Debian maintainer and user `-http://fenski.pl | xmpp:fe...@jabber.org | rlu:172001 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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