Re: Squeeze X86 with 4GByte RAM?
Dear Users, I installed 4GByte RAM in my motherboard succesfully. In BIOS I see all the 4096MByte, but after booting Squeeze it show me 3,5GByte. I know I should install the kernel with PAE - so I installed linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem package and restart computer. After it I choose this new kernel from GRUB. After loading it stuck with black screen with blanking cursor on the top left side of the screen. What should I do? Squeeze i386 has an amd64 kernel. The command apt-cache search linux-image will show you all the possible kernels. Choose some -amd64, for example: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 Then you will have a 64bit kernel and 32bit userspace, there is nothing wrong with this. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/90bfeae10d0169fe79591ab4e5da5651.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: multi-core system and the file system
Hello, I would like to ask, whether there is some intelligent way how to synchronize processes over the file-system state. E.g., if one process creates|modifies|deletes some file, how can I learn *when* that effect hits all cores? (not just the one where I executed those operations) I don't think the question makes sense. Changes in the filesystem affect processes, not cores. Processes are aware of filesystem changes as soon as they do some filesystem related system call, like stat(), readdir() or read() over an inotify watch descriptor, irrespective of the core in which they are running at the moment of the system call. Thanks in advance for any clues. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/515c3c17.7030...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e26691e3c42c8efe4fa88b7044e6f96f.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: has your squeeze ever crashed?
linux is stable, or is it? Absolutely stable and crashproof? No. Anyone who says that has no idea what he is talking about. You can compare Linux operating systems to other operating systems if you wish, though. my squeeze has just crashed it doesn't respond to key press two of three lights in up right corner of keyboard blink Squeeze is now more than 2 years old and in this period I installed and administered dozens of debian computers. I had the oportunity to see lots of crashes not caused by hardware failure, almost all of them related to video or wifi drivers, i.e. still related to hardware. I don't recall to find any purely algorithmic kernel crash or panic in the last few years. I suspect flash player in browser might be the cause the player is downloaded from adobe site and installed by myself besides I often see XID collision, trouble ahead though it rarely cause problem I don't think so. Flashplayer is a completely user space program and as such it could completely lock the system up only if there was a kernel bug. I had and still have a lot o trouble with flashplayer, like it consuming all of the memory and processing, but I almost always could go to Control-Alt-F1, log in and kill it, apart from the times where the system was heavily thrashing (completely busy swaping memory) and I had no patience or hope to wait. This does not seem your to be your case, as the keyboard lights usually indicate a kernel problem. I yould bet some device driver or hardware failure (memory or hard disk). João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a155638a0afb7670e3d6669a7904eab5.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Kernel stability relation to HW-specific code?
Hello, slightly OT, maybe... (specific to kernel, not Debian). On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:03:24 -0300 Joao Luis Meloni Assirati assir...@nonada.if.usp.br wrote: Squeeze is now more than 2 years old and in this period I installed and administered dozens of debian computers. I had the oportunity to see lots of crashes not caused by hardware failure, almost all of them related to video or wifi drivers, i.e. still related to hardware. I don't recall to find any purely algorithmic kernel crash or panic in the last few years. Just curious: How would one draw a line between error related to hardware and purely algorithmic? By kernel logs or experimentation and reproduction. The Linux algorithmic errors usually leave nice error messages before the system freeze (BUG_ON etc). I'm no kernel expert, but as I understand it, it's basically a layer between applications and hardware. From that point of view, error in kernel not related to hardware seems to me as a rare (if not impossible) thing... No, the kernel has very complex algorithms to deal with process and memory management, filesystems, networking etc. Run -rc1 kernels and you will eventually find bugs in such subsystems. The kernel sure is a layer as you said, but it is also an abstraction layer so that you don't have to implement basic and common features. I don't mean to bicker, I'm just wondering if it would make any sense to divide kernel code that is more closely related to hardware (like drivers) and more generic code, in attempt to measure stability of these parts separately. There are the so called microkernels that work this way. Linux is not a microkernel (it is a monolithic kernel). This is a very long discussion that periodically comes back (see Linus - Tanenbaum debate if you really want learn about it). João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/483611a14e6ca307f5f9503659304520.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Itroductry info on permission issues and implications - where? -was [Re: permissions on a Verbatim USB external drive]
João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
[snip]
Since vfat filesystems don't hold UNIX permissions, it has
to be mounted with the umask and/or uid, gid options. If it
is plugged through USB and you have a mount desktop service
communicating with dbus, all should be automatic. However,
if User mounts it in a static configuration in fstab, at
least the umask must be set. If this is the case, try an
fstab line like
/dev/sd?? /media/vfat vfat
defaults,umask=0007,uid=User,gid=User 0 0
which grants permission for User. A more flexible
configuration would be to create a special group, say fat,
and add all users that need to access the disk to this
group, and then configure the fstab entry with
uid=root,gid=fat.
João Luis.
I understood enough of what you wrote to suspect source of
(likely) unrelated problem I've had.
I've a collection of USB flash drives which, when plugged
into a running Debian 6.0.5 system, do not mount in an
apparently uniform manner.
The various drives may have been formatted:
1. by WinXP Pro SP3 as FAT16, FAT32, or NTFS
2. by gparted under Debian 6.0.5 as ext???, FAT16, FAT32, or
NTFS
3. by the stand alone Live version of gparted as in #2
I don't have any current examples so I can not ask an
answerable specific question.
Note that ext2, 3 and 4 don't support umask, uid and gid mount options, so
even user mounts (or mounts via dbus) cannot overwrite the filesystem
permissions. Note that sometimes a file or directory is created in a
removable device within an ext{2,3,4} filesystem under some user joe in
one computer and people expects that joe can access this file or directory
in every computer, but this may not happen, as joe can have different user
ids in different computers. Filesystems store the user id, not the
username.
If you want an ext{2,3,4} filesystem to accessible by everyone in every
computer, there is a workaround: change its root permissions to those of
the tmp directory. To do so, as root, mount the filesystem in some
directory (say /mnt), do the command
chmod 1777 /mnt/
and umount /mnt.
Could someone point me to a broad intermediate level survey
of permissions (issues and implications) in order that when
(not if) I run into a problem I'll be able to ask an
intelligent question? TIA
I could not point to an specific text right now, but there are a lot of
good ones freely available in the internet. Maybe someone can help here?
João Luis.
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Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
Mark Filipak wrote: I've thrown the thread away, Oh no, please Mark! We are wayting a step by step detailed description of the procedure that makes GUI installer fail and text installer succeed. Please, this is vital so we can reproduce, diagnose and fix the bug. If you do not provide such step by step detailed descrition, you will be the only winner. Please, share your knowledge with the community, help Debian to be better. By step by step detailed description I mean a description of what decision you took at every single step of the installer, not just simply GUI fails, text succeds. You don't have to read syslogs, you don't have to pres Alt-F?, nothing like that. You just have to say at every single point of the installation what the installer asked and what did you choose. And do this for both the GUI and the text installers with the same hardware and installation medium, in a way that GUI fails and text succeeds. No interpretations nor guessing needed. Just plain facts, but they have to be precise and step by step. You know, finding a bug in the Debian installer is one of the greatest contributions a user can make to Debian. We all will be very greateful if you do this effort. On behalf of all Debian users and developers who will benefit from your contribution, I thank you. João Luis Meloni Assirati. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a7f64afddf056886f1225c1c1fd03d85.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
Brian wrote: Had the USB hard drive been used instead of the 8-GB USB and *exactly* the same install attempted it too would have failed. The nature or size of the device being installed to is immaterial, as is whether it is a text mode or GUI install. The only thing that matters is that the device has previously had an isohybrid ISO written to it. [...] Write a netinst image to two USB devices. Boot from one device and install to the second one. Try text and GUI modes. It's about an hour's work at most. But will this happen even if one formats the partition holding the iso? What if the installation proccess is done normally, the target device that happens to hold the iso is partitioned and all the partitions are formatted? When grub gets to be installed, in the last installation step, all the information that an iso existed before is gone, or no? Anyway, it must be said that you did an impressive investigation with very scarce resources to say the least, Brian! João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/c369b4f7d1b839d68b3743240a09aced.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
Brian wrote: On Sun 03 Mar 2013 at 18:07:26 -0300, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Write a netinst image to two USB devices. Boot from one device and install to the second one. Try text and GUI modes. It's about an hour's work at most. But will this happen even if one formats the partition holding the iso? What if the installation proccess is done normally, the target device that happens to hold the iso is partitioned and all the partitions are formatted? When grub gets to be installed, in the last installation step, all the information that an iso existed before is gone, or no? When the isohybrid ISO is written to to the drive the information about the iso9660 filesystem is put within the first 65 sectors of the drive. If fdisk is now used to partition the drive the first partition starts at sector 2048. Everything beyond this sector is destroyed but sectors below number 2048 are left intact. The drive is now useless as a device to boot Debian but information about the iso9660 file system is left intact. Wow, of course. The iso image must be installed in the begining of the disk, which includes the partition table and the mbr, not in the first partition. fdisk leaves space at the beginning of the drive because GRUB requires it to embed part of itself there. But GRUB will not go there because it thinks it is overwriting data on the disk when it detects the iso9660 signature. This is by design. This is clearly a bug, because the disk has a partition table and therefore there is no useful data before the first partition. D-I uses partman for partitioning. It too leaves an embedding area which contains the iso9660 data sector. The solution is to remember to do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=65 before partitioning. But this will destroy the partition table, which is not right if you have other operating systems or partitions containing data. Maybe 'grub-install --force device' would suffice? Anyway, it must be said that you did an impressive investigation with very scarce resources to say the least, Brian! Thanks. I cheated though! I had already encountered the bug some time ago and the reported behaviour in this thread is very, very similar to it. Of course you deserve congratulations. You had to guess among the various phony bug reports. It was some kind of psychoanalysis. Your patient still did not achieve catharsis, though. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/56471eb84fb7089d3745749b71e15ba5.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
On Sat 02 Mar 2013 at 08:51:03 +, Brian wrote: The problem is in the GUI installer. To do the installation successfully, use the text-based installer. I'd not see this as being the problem, Both a text and a GUI install should succeed (or fail) under the *same* conditions. Exactly. Either it was a pertitioning problem, as pointed first by Lisi, and he does not want to admit; or some other random problem, and in this case no one will never know or be able to reproduce it because he can't follow instructions. But we made his life happier. He will be bragging around how Linux is a chaotic system impossible to install, how Linux people is rude and incompetent and how he managed to find the problem by himself and teach the Linux kids. He did this before and will do again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a72010bc24127130f0c0a6e5c4a7996c.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: fix HD order
On 28-Feb-13 16:55, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Hi, i've 4 HD's and 3 distros. When i load debian squeeze, the sdc hd is slected by grub, but the next time i load it, the sda hd is selected. It seems a randomize selecting. How can i fix this ? UID is used and settings by name don't resolve the problem. And yes, i have win7 also on a separate hd. thanks Do you always see the same grub menu when booting? It is possible that you have different grub configurations in each HD and the BIOS is choosing a different disk to boot from each time. I would try to make sure that the bios always choose the same disk when booting. If this is not possible, then all files /boot/grub/grub.cfg in each HD should be equal and use UUIDs. Also, make sure that the /etc/fstab in each distribution use UUIDs. João Luis After verification, this problem occurs after a windows cession and reboot to squeeze. Ot looks something related to drive ordering that windows is somehow changing. If all your /boot/grub/crug.cfg in all your Linux installations are equal and using UUIDs, for example search --set=root 92d5965d-87d9-4004-885b-74179cda67aa and the kernel command line is also using UUIDs, for example linux /vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=92d5965d-87d9-4004-885b-74179cda67aa ro quiet and also the fstab is using UUIDs, your setup should work always with grub installed in all MBR of all drives. Note that UUID identifiers for the root device in the kernel command line are supported only if you are using a standard initrd or initramfs. If you did all of this and the problem persists, please send attached all your 3 grub.cfg and fstab, identifying to which drive all of them belong. I've 2 squeeze distribs, a new fresh installed and the old one. The old one couldn't boot with an uid. It crashed at the boot. This seems an unrelated problem. So i reset the /etc/fstab HD version to boot it correctly. I'm now a + 20years debian user and hadn't never so many problems with it. (squeeze) Would a ubuntu choice better at now? I have no idea because I am a Debian user, but I would be very glad to know. If you try it, please come back to the list and share your experiences. Best regards, João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a4323c93443289e6fd4e2db773122304.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
It was not a partitioning problem or some other random problem. There's a bug in the GUI Debian Installer packaged with LXDE desktop, ver 6.0.6. I succeeded simply by running the text-based Debian Installer. No one suggested that. If this is the case, please accept my deepest apologies. Please write step by step instructions on how to reproduce this bug in the GUI installer and not in the text installer so the developers can diagnose and correct it. This is a severe bug, because the two installers are supposed to do exactly the same things. Thank you very much, João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/0dd02e63146c8885ef91e8265e5fbd0d.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Package Pre-dependencies
Hello everyone, One quick question: If package A pre-depends on package B, and package C depends on package A, does package C pre-depend on package B? In other words, is pre-depends transitive across regular dependencies? C ==(Depends)== A ==(Pre-Depends)== B As you stated the problem, if package C does not explicitly pre-depend on package B, then in the course of installation of packages A, B and C, the package C can be unpacked even if B is not unpacked nor configured. Only A must wait until B is fully configured in order to be unpacked. Here you can find the policy for these package fields: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html So, no. C does not pre-depend on B unless it is explictly stated in its Pre-depends field. Here is an example: bash ==(Depends)== base-files ==(Pre-Depends)== awk. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ae318c0e755bfd77449af4cfd8a4e804.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Package Pre-dependencies
On 02-Mar-13 14:23, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: So, no. C does not pre-depend on B unless it is explictly stated in its Pre-depends field. Here is an example: bash ==(Depends)== base-files ==(Pre-Depends)== awk. Thanks - that's what I suspected but it wasn't entirely clear when I was reading it. The problem I have is that many packages install files into a directory that in a real environment is actually a symlink to a different directory created by the base package. If they are unpacked before the other package then things break The only two options I see are for the packages to explicitly pre-depend on that package OR for each package to manually move all of the installed files into the actual directory in their debian/rules. Listing a pre-dependency for each package thus seems a less pessimal solution. But am I missing something here? Is there a better solution? This seems a fair use case. Note that if the symlink does not exist, a hierarchy of directories is created automatically by dpkg to accommodate the files, and the installation process will not explicitly fail. Therefore, the solution of a package that creates symlinks that serve as filesystem structure for other packages is not very robust, as symlinks are easily removable (by administration errors). I don't know if this answers you question. Best regards, João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/17759582208ad721cc37e5c163a3ec51.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: moving /var
Hello List, On 01/03/13 09:53, Lars Noodén wrote: On 3/1/13 10:41 AM, Maro ilka wrote: What would be better way to do it ? Is it even possible to do such change on running system without worries to lose some data ? I wouldn't do it on a running system. Better to boot from a live CD or similar and do it from there. A simple live CD is sufficient: Debian netinst minimal CD in rescue mode is sufficient to do so. Do not forget to update the /etc/fstab configuration file with respect to the change; to clean up the /var (and let an empty one) in the `/' (root) partition. It is simpler to move the partition in single user mode. Just issue the command (as root) # shutdown now (not 'shutdown -h now' or 'shutdown -r now'), wait the system go down and enter the root password when asked. You will have just a root shell running. An even more secure way (in case single user leaves some program running) is to reboot and pass the argument init=/bin/sh to the kernel by editing the kernel command line in grub. You will start a system with only a running shell as pid 1 and the root mounted read-only. Then remount the root read-write: # mount -o remount,rw / and do the dirty work. When you finish, unmount all partition other than the root, remount the root read only with # mount -o remount,ro / and reset the computer (shutdown will do nothing). João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/786369acf5452f17b53938245b229476.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Driver Network Dell PowerEdge R720
Hello, I made a download debian-6.0.7-amd64-netinst.iso. I have Dell Power EDGE, when I go to install debian, it not detect a driver network. I put broadcom but fail. Rodrigo, we cannot help if you don't tell what is the exact model of the network card. Type the command lspci -vnn in the running Debian and copy the lines about the ethernet controller. What Is happening ? Most probably your network card is not supported by the kernel 2.6.32 that comes with debian 6. Let me suggest that you install a testing version of Debian (version 7, Wheeze). This version is close to stable. It will probably detect your network card and also will save you from having to upgrade the system during the next 4 years. Here you can find the testing images: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ However, if you insist in running Debhian stable, you could try to install a full cdrom or dvd image (not netinst) and then download and install the kernel 3.2 from Debian backports. Here you can find the package: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 You have to download this package and the packages of the dependencies, and install them with dpkg. For example: dpkg --install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64_3.2.35-2~bpo60+1_amd64.deb This command must be done as root. When you do this command, probably the installer will complain of a missing dependency. Then you go back to http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 find the dependency package, download and install with dpkg and then do the command dpkg --configure -a Repeat this this untill everything install OK, reboot the system and choose the kernel 3.2.0. It is a rather painful procedure. Best regards, João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aa3f2a50cfc8d709c512019239005d93.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash
Thanks but these instructions are for creating an installation flash drive on Linux - and they're well hidden. So it's a fail from the perspective of the person criticizing distributions for not providing readily-available Windows instructions for creating one. Wow! This trolling will never end. Will you find instructions in Microsoft's site on how to install Windows from Linux? This subject was discussed before. Installation or run from flash drive is some exotic resource for skilled people. Burn a cdrom, install some Linux distribution, learn Linux, then follow the instruction on how to make a flash installer or live system. Please, PLEASE, people, the trolls are already fed. Let us go back to help people that actually need help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/972782bb1c22f4a8c7eda1c22cf06e52.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised
Do you want to help? If no, stop reading now (I don't need more heckling). Do you want help? Then don't write agressive email with sarcastic subject. What I did: [...] What you tried to do requires great Linux skill and knowledge. It is beyond your possibilities to even understand help on this. Use standard solutions that work for everybody instead. Okay, what went wrong: [...] If you were able to figure out all by yourself, why ask for help? You should be able to solve the problem. Mount error message too cryptic - too generic (does not tell what actually happened). GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. There is a tale in my country about an arrogant man that considered absurd that a pumpkin, being a large fruit, comes from a short plant, and the blackberry [1] comes from a tall tree although it is a tiny fruit. He kept thinking like this until he fell asleep under a blackberry tree and was awaken by a blackberry hitting his nose. Maybe when you have the required skill and knowledge, which comes from practice, persistence and good attitude, you will be able to realize that fundamental and ubiquous utilities like mount, grub and lilo have precise behaviour and useful error messages. Any/all help appreciated except from Lisi Reisz. Don't expect any/all help with this attitude. OK, I gave my share feeding a troll today. João Luis. - [1] Actually, the tale is about the jabuticaba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabuticaba but it is generally regarded to be impossible to explain what a jabuticaba is to a non-Brazilian, so I adapted Moteiro Lobato's story. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d1b44561c7ee9ee0b6e1548f6e75.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: I wish to advocate linux
There was once a fellow on a list I belong to whose postings were one tale of woe after another which is not that unusual for those of us who tinker and work in technology. The trouble with him was that it was all one big conspiracy against him and he was just going to get out of the hobby of amateur radio all together as nothing ever worked for him. He never read about the how and why of things. His idea of life was you borrow yourself in to the poor house, buy all this neat stuff, demand accessible manuals, hook it all together the way you think it goes and then complain when it blows up and or just doesn't work. Never once did I hear him ask why an antenna must be built a certain way or how do the rest of you solve this or that problem. It was all along the lines of I spent X Dollars for this or that and it quit on me in a puff of smoke, bla bla bla. List members told him about articles he could read, suggested he contact somebody locally who could help show him the ropes as to how to do these things right, etc. Finally, I think everybody just gave up. He left the list and I have no idea what happened but this present discussion reminds me much of that very similar discussion. We were all jerks and just out for ourselves. In the 35 years I have been involved with modern computing, my experience has been that if you show you are making a good effort to help yourself, people will at least point you at a good reading list and many times, they do a lot more than the call of duty says they should do. I think that is exactly the case. This guy managed to get everybody in this list working for him, even if he is unable to make a single meaningful objective question. Even if he is insulting individual people, the community and Debian (nothing works, why am I not surprised)! And at the end all the energy spent with him will be lost. People will get tired and he will leave crying that it is impossible to install Linux and Linux people are jerks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ad4ba41a2d4d40674dca503b7d2b0633.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.
Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written Let us see who will be the first to bite the troll :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/424a8e284c3ec961cdef94c3942f05fa.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.
Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written Let us see who will be the first to bite the troll :) Do you really want to start a debate on best OS ever? Talk about an ugly religious argument, even if we exclude anyone dumb (or trollish) enough to consider any version of Windows anywhere close to in the running. :-) But I think it is not about a debate on best OS ever. It is about getting everybody working for him. Everyody must solve his problems to show that Linux is better than Windows. This is a classic case of trolling. He used this zombie technique before when he said that Windows is much easier to install than Linux, and managed to get people enslaved, desperate to show that Linux is so superior that even unspeakable problems can be solved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a3d9878fa1eb0df4efb94e437cc5082f.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: [OT] re: trolls and operating systems [was: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.]
Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written Let us see who will be the first to bite the troll :) Do you really want to start a debate on best OS ever? Talk about an ugly religious argument, even if we exclude anyone dumb (or trollish) enough to consider any version of Windows anywhere close to in the running. :-) But I think it is not about a debate on best OS ever. It is about getting everybody working for him. Everyody must solve his problems to show that Linux is better than Windows. This is a classic case of trolling. He used this zombie technique before when he said that Windows is much easier to install than Linux, and managed to get people enslaved, desperate to show that Linux is so superior that even unspeakable problems can be solved. I'm not sure that's it. I think it's just that we can't let go of a problem to solve; or this guy is irritating us, or something. I'm pretty sure that nobody here really feels we need to prove the superiority of Linux over Windows. (Now if we wanted to talk serious operating systems, then we'd be talking about Tenex, ITS, Plan 9, Symbolics, Apollo/Domain, but that a religious argument for another day :-) Look, he did it again in the other thread: Linux has the concept of virtual terminals (VTs). Ah, yes. Windows had such a switcher addin about 20 years ago. I don't know if some people in the list fall for the trick, but he is definitely using it. He uses other tricks too, like saying that he will accept anyone's suggestion but from person X. Then everybody starts to work for him, including person X who has remorses. Here X is for example Lisi, who solved the problem ages ago (partitioning problem). João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/9771b29beaa16b2d8cb7f0c6b6e081cb.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: fix HD order
Hi, i've 4 HD's and 3 distros. When i load debian squeeze, the sdc hd is slected by grub, but the next time i load it, the sda hd is selected. It seems a randomize selecting. How can i fix this ? UID is used and settings by name don't resolve the problem. And yes, i have win7 also on a separate hd. thanks Do you always see the same grub menu when booting? It is possible that you have different grub configurations in each HD and the BIOS is choosing a different disk to boot from each time. I would try to make sure that the bios always choose the same disk when booting. If this is not possible, then all files /boot/grub/grub.cfg in each HD should be equal and use UUIDs. Also, make sure that the /etc/fstab in each distribution use UUIDs. João Luis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4193ff357d5be06c8619d4589064d722.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On 2013/2/27 6:31 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: I'm not a troll, Miles. Yes, you are. Lets see. I'm trying to get help, Miles. What is the question? I've been lurking. This didn't start out as my thread. I wish to advocate linux is not my aim. I merely made a comment about Linux advocacy and got jumped on. If you dont care about Linux advocacy, why did you comment here? This kind of contradiction is typical of trolls. More on this paragraph below. Whether you think I deserved to get jumped on or not, I got many messages in short order attacking me. I guess I did hit a nerve. No one attacked you. People are at most criticising your ideas the same way you are criticising Linux I put Linux in quotation marks here because you are not and cannot criticise Linux, which is the kernel. You at most would be able to criticise some Linux distribuiton. But you NEVER told you which distribution where you trying to install. It could even be Android or some router embedded OS which also runs Linux. My experience has been: I make (or buy) CDs. Which distribuiton? I boot them. I begin the installation. Which hardware? I'm asked a hundred times whether I want to install this program or that program. The certainly it is not Debian. There is not a hundred questions in the installer. For software installation, there is only one question (tasksel). But I'm not at all prepared to choose because I don't know anything about Linux or the programs, so I choose to install them all. When you install Windows or Office you choose to install all options or keep the default ones? If you don't know yet about Linux, why don't you choose to keep the default options? Then when I try to boot my new Linux installation, I get an error message that such--such program is missing and boot is terminating with a kernel panic or a failure code. This has happened many times. When I asked about this in Linux forums, I got answers that only a Linux guru would understand. If you asked at a Linux forum, you should have received very technical answers. For user questions, you must ask at a distribution forum. Like this one. So, what is your question? Do you really have one or are you just trolling? Let me give you an example of the kind of insensitivity (or myopic stupidity) that seems to be the hallmark of the Linux community. In the Debian live page, dd is offered as the way to copy the ISO file to a USB stick. But the dd program offered only runs in Linux! What good is that to someone who is running Windows at the time? It's like Linux is in it's own world. So here we have it. You are trying to run a Linux distribution from USB stick. Somehing very exotic, not for beginers. Now I dare you to prove that it is easier (or even possible) to do this with Windows. If you are complaing that doing in Linux something that is impossible in Windows and alleges that it is easier to do this thing in Windows is easier than in Linux, you are... T R O L L I N G. I thought I was at a forum in which people would like to advocate for Linux and therefore would do what's needed to assure successful conversion from Windows to Linux, You are in the wrong forum. Convertions are religion business. but instead I experience the same elitism and condescension I'd experienced at other Linux forums. So, you don't want condescension, but if someone criticise you, then you are being jumped on. Can you see how ridiculous your argumentation became? If you can't see that, then you are part of the problem. I give up. I apparently will never run Linux because I'm too stupid. No one here cares about this. Here we are in the answer-to-objective-questions-and-solve-real-problems business. So, what is your question? What is your problem? João. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2cb6b5cdd8c79dc04d6c076fd62fe3fc.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Snapshot Program
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 04:21:47PM +, Hélder Pinheiro wrote: Hi, Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian installation? Something that I can restore through CLI I am always playing around with my distro and sometimes things do not run well, and I feed the need to restore a yesterday's image. Is it possible? Regards, Hélder Pinheiro Hi, I'm using Clonezilla for that. www.clonezilla.org/ Just capture a snapshot of system partition and you can restore it. It's a live distro. [LVM blurb] As a permanent solution, consider installing the system in an LVM (Debian supports this mode of installation), which supports an operation called snapshot. Leave some space in the volume group so that you can take a read/write snapshot of the logical volumes (LVM equivalent to partitions) before the modification of the system. Snapshots are copy on write, which means that they are created very fast and you need spare space in the volume group only to accommodate the modifications of the filesystem while the system is running. The snapshots are created online, while the system live and running, and there is a graphical interface system-config-lvm (which I don't use) alongside the command line tools. The logical volumes can be resized without the constraints of the partition table. After you made the modifications, if you want to restore the previous state, just delete the modified logical volumes and rename the snapshots so they take place of the original logical volumes. There is a lot of hope in the upcoming btrfs filesystem that will implement all these features within the filesystem, but LVM is already a mature and reliable tool. João Luis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/602ba99ac798aa62989af652d2acfc2d.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Snapshot Program
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati assir...@nonada.if.usp.br wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 04:21:47PM +, Hélder Pinheiro wrote: Hi, Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian installation? Something that I can restore through CLI After you made the modifications, if you want to restore the previous state, just delete the modified logical volumes and rename the snapshots so they take place of the original logical volumes. João Luis I thought when you wanted to incorporate the changes(data stored in snapshot) into the original volume you had to merge them(lvconvert --merge). Is this incorrect? No, this is the correct solutions and works also when the snapshot is read-only. Let make things a bit more clear. You take the snapshot and make changes in the original logical volumes. If you want to revert the changes, you call lvconvert --merge, which will revert the logical volume to its original state. The name merge is somewhat misleading, I think. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/10903d979f9b1d7effbb67f8ca377404.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: a very carefully asked question?
Hi folks, I have been considering all day how I will ask this. it is very very important that I get the answer I seek, and with so many variations, things can shift off the mark if not careful. going to keep it simple only adding extra detail if necessary. If one already has an install of debian, in this case squeeze that did not involve including network access at the time, how does one add the networking aspect later? I will have working dsl I trust this weekend. I want the individual helping me connect my main computer to also inform my Debian machine that a network connection exists, letting debian establish the best drivers etc., for the network. How specifically is this done? Chances are that your network card was detected and the correct kernel module is already being loaded. If this is the case and you never touched any network configuration file, and also you dsl provider does not use pppoe but instead plain ethernet with dhcp, then networking will just work when you connect the network cable. If it does not work, please write again to this list including the output of the comands cat /etc/network/interfaces dpkg --status network-manager | grep Status lspci -v dmesg | grep eth0 /sbin/ifconfig and whether your provider uses pppoe or plain ethernet with dhcp. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d880a900230b40889dbd9072ff9d726b.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: debian wheezy amd64 freeze
did you unload the old kernel driver? at least you need a `modprobe nvidia` after dkms install and then restart the graphical login manager (kdm, gdm...) -r I did it (the driver was loaded. ) but I still got the error screen not fount. I've tryed to manually edit the xorg.conf but nothing change. Is the nouveau driver blacklisted? If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver, you should have a file in /etc/modprobe.d/, say /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf, containing blacklist nouveau blacklist lbm-nouveau blacklist nvidia-173 blacklist nvidia-96 alias nvidia nvidia-current On the other hand, if the nouveau driver is being loaded in the initramfs, it must be disabled in the kernel command line. Try putting nouveau.modeset=0 in the kernel command line in the grub boot menu or set the variable GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=nouveau.modeset=0 in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub. Joao Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/08686ee83a45732e00ea0718300163d6.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Can't execute binary?
Hi, I've just installed wheezy/KDE on a spare machine, to see what we're getting. All seems OK, apart from one mystery: I installed a copy of Firefox-18.0.2 in /usr/local, with a symlink pointing to it, as I have done in Squeeze and earlier for years. Typing /usr/local/firefox/firefox always used to start it with no problem. However, on the wheezy box, I'm getting: --- tony@tony-dlt:~$ /usr/local/firefox/firefox bash: /usr/local/firefox/firefox: cannot execute binary file --- Well, WTF, as they say. Does anyone know of a change that causes this? Is the copy of firefox the same architetcture of the spare machine? Aren't you trying to run a 64bit executable in a 32bit machine? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/0489a35a5d970e7f71ccd30f6c20dce0.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: OT: What is the meaning of /proc/$PID/fd/* files?
I am trying to figure out the meaning of: /proc/$PID/fd/* files. These are links that point to the open files of the process whose pid is $PID. Fd stands for file descriptors, which is an integer that identifies any program input or output in UNIX-like systems. and then if I tried something like this: echo foo /proc/$PID/fd/0 [..] What actually happened was: - foo string appeared on the appropriate terminal - the ./main process remained blocked in the read system call. You program has the terminal opened as file descriptor 0 which corresponds to standard input (1 and 2 are standard output and standard error). If you list /proc/$PID/fd you will see something like this: $ ls -l /proc/$PID/fd/0 lrwx-- 1 root root 64 Fev 19 11:55 0 - /dev/pts/7 meaning that your program has opened pseudo terminal 7 (probably an xterm) as its standar input. So when you write to /proc/$PID/fd/0, you are really writing to /dev/pts/7, that's why you see things appearing to the terminal. You cannot write to the standard input the way you thought because it is already linked to the terminal. Only the terminal can write to your program's standar input. Is there somewhere a concise and correct description that explains this? I learned a lot about those subjects in the book Linux A-Z by Phil Cornes, but I think that /proc in Linux is becoming very specific. You have to learn a lot in man pages, kernel documentations, google, etc. Best wishes, João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/bd4ac4a5bd11ade6eaac504064f4e533.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Unbelievable. Was: Re: OT - Convert output of byte count to GB count?
This conversation is unbelievable. Debian-user is supposedly a list where voluntary people answer simple practical questions of users. Are you really going to enforce list members to watch such ego demonstrations and unfunny jokes? On 2/16/2013 3:50 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes: On 2/14/2013 4:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Agreed. And now there are official binary prefixes, so there is no excuse for not using them when powers of 2 are more convenient instead of abusing SI decimal prefixes. And who declared these made-up prefixes official? The International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC). Which, unfortunately, is the wrong organization for RAM devices. JEDEC, the appropriate governing body, hasn't. And even then, it's not a standard until it's been accepted by the mainstream. Please show where that has occurred. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/511ffbb9.5020...@attglobal.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5defc303bb457fbb2bf8d3bd16f2dc58.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Wake on lan with RTL8111/8168B
And, how do you connect to that distant computer? SSH, I guess? If I had the same problem, I would check that the correct profile (environment variables, rights, such kind of things) related to poweroff is loaded, since I think ssh does not provide all environment variables to connected users. All my tests until now were done with local shells. I assure it is not such a problem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130211162018.ca6cc...@nonada.if.usp.br
