Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:30:02 +0200 Gene Heskettwrote: > You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned. I do > know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label > bareing the owners name & address, well sealed against the elements. He probably heard the expression: "lend-lease" and got it confused with what that meant. Americans are readily confused..and quickly become hysterical. A popular example was that Orson Welles radio show about the Martian invasion..I noticed that is now being revised to show a different story. (a tiny panic practically immeasurable on the night etc. slate.com) How about global warming vaccinations abortions weapons-of-mass-destruction and the 6th mass extinction now in progress. No one ever went broke underestimating them. (H.L. Mencken) -- CK I now start my wireless adapter card with: ifup wlp2s0 how fscked is that? pgpCbTTojpo4I.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]
Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned. I do know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label bareing the owners name address, well sealed against the elements. I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting may have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language from loan to gift. Recall as always, that the history of a war is written by the winners. That's difficult to do with contemporary newspaper appeals: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861dat=19401112id=vDFSIBAJsjid=EjYNIBAJpg=3629,1766022hl=en https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314dat=19401208id=mChWIBAJsjid=CuQDIBAJpg=6924,2616059hl=en (The latter pops up one column to the right of the story's start.) Cheers, David.
Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]
On Sunday 30 August 2015 14:50:54 David Wright wrote: Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned. I do know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label bareing the owners name address, well sealed against the elements. I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting may have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language from loan to gift. Recall as always, that the history of a war is written by the winners. That's difficult to do with contemporary newspaper appeals: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861dat=19401112id=vDFSIBA Jsjid=EjYNIBAJpg=3629,1766022hl=en https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314dat=19401208id=mChWIB AJsjid=CuQDIBAJpg=6924,2616059hl=en Both of those are seriously close to the bottom of the pile in what we call the morgue. And while it might be possible to do some bit tweeking to clean up a blind offset plate, it would sure be a thankless job to rewrite those now digital images. And its dates (Dec 1940 etc) mean that I was just barely 6 years old, so I obviously never had a chance to see those articals first hand. So I guess maybe my grandfather may have said what he wished would happen. That would have to be a tad out of character for him IMO ubless he was horse trading. He rarely came back from town driving the same team he left with. One thing he did pass down thru his 2nd daughter, to me, is a decent IQ. That daughter, my mother, was the only girl in the class on aviation technology at Des Moines Technical High School, in 1929. When a little boy asked a question, if she did not know the answer, she did know where the library was, so I was reading high school physics books by the time we moved to town to work loading ammo during WW-II. ISTR that was early in '42. (The latter pops up one column to the right of the story's start.) Thank you for digging that up. It does I believe, lay that story to rest. Cheers, David. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene
Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]
Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): He may have been, but it wasn't enough that he sent our loaned guns back when the festivities were over in 1945. Instead, they were all collected on a barge, taken out in the middle of the channel, and shoveled overboard. The hunters amd sportsmen of the USA loaned the English those weapons so that the english might have something to defend your land with should the Germans attempt an invasion, with the understanding they would be tracked, and returned to their rightfull owner when no longer needed. I think the idea of tracking small arms in private hands in wartime Britain is a little unlikely, so I tried to follow up this story because I've read it here before. I can find references to an organisation in the US that collected guns and another in Britain that is said to have distributed them. (How? To whom?) However, no mention is made of returning the weapons. Here are a couple of cut-and-pasteable extracts: 'The committee sent an urgent appeal--which appeared in the American Rifleman magazine--for Americans to donate Pistols--Rifles--Revolvers--Shotguns--Binoculars because British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes. 'Thousands of American arms were donated and shipped to the Civilian Committee for the Protection of Homes in Birmingham, sorted for their suitability and from there distributed to members of the LDV. 'Despite the lessons of the preceding years, the British government's anti-gun paranoia remained undiminished and after the disbanding of the Home Guard in 1944, their arms were collected and those not considered suitable for storage as war reserves were disposed of in 1945 and 1946 by dumping them into the North Sea!' and Send a gun to defend a British home. British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms to the defence of their homes. This committee has organized to collect gifts of pistols, rifles, revolvers, shotguns and binoculars from American civilians who wish to answer the call and aid in defence of British homes. These arms are being shipped with the full consent of the British government, to the Civilian Committee for the Protection of Homes, Birmingham, England. But an interesting thing about the transcribed articles (as opposed to the newspaper cuttings) is that they appear in documents bewailing the folly of British (and, by implication, any) gun control. My grandfather loaned 2 shotguns, top of the line Parkers that at auction today would have a starting bid of at least $2500 each. They were his most prized firearms possessions. He, and several thousand other Americans never saw their weapons again, thanks to Churchill. All the references that I can find use the words donations and gifts, not loans. In one case there is an individual who appears to have used these two organisations to solve the problem of a legal way to ship a gun to his brother in Kent. If it ever got there, perhaps he even got it back! Cheers, David.
Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]
On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:07:44 David Wright wrote: This is quite off topic, and I probably should have just STHU. Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): He may have been, but it wasn't enough that he sent our loaned guns back when the festivities were over in 1945. Instead, they were all collected on a barge, taken out in the middle of the channel, and shoveled overboard. The hunters amd sportsmen of the USA loaned the English those weapons so that the english might have something to defend your land with should the Germans attempt an invasion, with the understanding they would be tracked, and returned to their rightfull owner when no longer needed. I think the idea of tracking small arms in private hands in wartime Britain is a little unlikely, so I tried to follow up this story because I've read it here before. You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned. I do know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label bareing the owners name address, well sealed against the elements. I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting may have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language from loan to gift. Recall as always, that the history of a war is written by the winners. I can find references to an organisation in the US that collected guns and another in Britain that is said to have distributed them. (How? To whom?) However, no mention is made of returning the weapons. Here are a couple of cut-and-pasteable extracts: 'The committee sent an urgent appeal--which appeared in the American Rifleman magazine--for Americans to donate Pistols--Rifles--Revolvers--Shotguns--Binoculars because British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes. 'Thousands of American arms were donated and shipped to the Civilian Committee for the Protection of Homes in Birmingham, sorted for their suitability and from there distributed to members of the LDV. 'Despite the lessons of the preceding years, the British government's anti-gun paranoia remained undiminished and after the disbanding of the Home Guard in 1944, their arms were collected and those not considered suitable for storage as war reserves were disposed of in 1945 and 1946 by dumping them into the North Sea!' and Send a gun to defend a British home. British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms to the defence of their homes. This committee has organized to collect gifts of pistols, rifles, revolvers, shotguns and binoculars from American civilians who wish to answer the call and aid in defence of British homes. These arms are being shipped with the full consent of the British government, to the Civilian Committee for the Protection of Homes, Birmingham, England. But an interesting thing about the transcribed articles (as opposed to the newspaper cuttings) is that they appear in documents bewailing the folly of British (and, by implication, any) gun control. My grandfather loaned 2 shotguns, top of the line Parkers that at auction today would have a starting bid of at least $2500 each. They were his most prized firearms possessions. He, and several thousand other Americans never saw their weapons again, thanks to Churchill. All the references that I can find use the words donations and gifts, not loans. In one case there is an individual who appears to have used these two organisations to solve the problem of a legal way to ship a gun to his brother in Kent. If it ever got there, perhaps he even got it back! Cheers, David. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene