Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:26:21PM +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Agreed, yet there's a techical question in there. What's your take? I
> usually run apt-get autoremove and orphaner, clear /var/log stuff and
> /var/cache/apt as well; yet i always do have the feeling that my /
> oughta be smaller. Is there an option to autoremove unused files?

You mean like those Italian and French manpages. :) Seriously though,
You mean like those Italian and French manpages. :{

localepurge to the rescue -- but do read the Description *before* using
it.

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Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[Marcin Owsiany]

I'm not sure if this post is serious, but assuming that it is:

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 09:22:12AM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
> $ man cruft
>   cruft - Check the filesystem for cruft (missing and unexplained files)

It's more correct to admit that cruft is incorrectly reporting things as
cruft, rather than Debian being full of of it. See e.g. #522108

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Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[Rob McBroom]

On 2009-Apr-24, at 5:20 AM, Klistvud wrote:


Your parallel with "unregistered aliens" is extremely malaprop, even
more so in the context of an
operating system that professes to be the _universal_ operating  
system.



Almost every country defines a legal immigration process and considers  
people that bypass that process to be "illegal", "unregistered", or  
something like that. Sounds pretty universal to me.


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RE: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[Stackpole, Chris]

> From: Klistvud [mailto:quotati...@aliceadsl.fr]
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
> 
> Dne, 24. 04. 2009 13:26:21 je Nuno Magalhães napisal(a):
> > Agreed, yet there's a techical question in there. What's your take? I
> > usually run apt-get autoremove and orphaner, clear /var/log stuff and
> > /var/cache/apt as well; yet i always do have the feeling that my /
> > oughta be smaller. Is there an option to autoremove unused files?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Nuno Magalhães
> >
> 
> Well, there was a program once, called FSlint or something like that.
> Never used it personally, though.

I love FSlint. It will find duplicate files, empty directories, tmp files, bad 
names, name clashes, bad symlinks, and a bunch of other stuff that I can't 
remember. I use it to clean up the filesystem all the time.

I do use deborphan (and gtkorphan) as well to clean up the packages.

I also like filelight. A graphical drill down tool that helps find directories 
that are using up too much space. Yes, I use packages like find and du on the 
command line when I am in a hurry but sometimes the graphics are really cool to 
take into a meeting to say "See? This is how much space we are using!"

Hope that helps.

Have fun!

~Stack~


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Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[jidanni]

Question: do all packages pass the piuparts tests yet, in that they
don't leave a residue behind? If we are to name names then those who do
not pass piuparts are it.

Then there are those that create files at other times during their
lifespan that piuparts wouldn't catch.

Then there's the pre-piuparts era cruft in all corners of a several
years old system.


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Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[Steve Kemp]

> Is there an option to autoremove unused files?

  deborphan can be used to remove packages that were installed
 for dependencies alone and are no longer needed.


http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Removing_unnecessary_packages_with_deborphan

  apt-get and aptitude both have similar facilities too, for
 example "apt-get autoremove".  ("man apt-get" for details.)

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Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[Johannes Wiedersich]

jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
> $ man cruft
>   cruft - Check the filesystem for cruft (missing and unexplained files)
> 
> Mainly I'm talking about those unexplained files. Even just
> # cruft -d /
> will probably produce tons of output on any system that has been under
> real use for more than a few weeks.

Not on my system. If you observe that there are files that fail to
remove after removal of the package or that are installed improperly,
you should file a bug report (or report them here).

General accusations without providing the evidence will just increase
the frustration without a chance to improve things.

Cheers,
Johannes

[NB: what is your yardstick for 'tons of cruft'? Is there more on Debian
 than on other distributions/OSes? ]


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Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[Klistvud]

Dne, 24. 04. 2009 13:26:21 je Nuno Magalhães napisal(a):
> > Your parallel with "unregistered aliens" is extremely malaprop, 
> even
> > more so in the context of an
> > operating system that professes to be the _universal_ operating
> system.
> > I like to think it was just an (unwitty) attempt at being "funny"?
> 
> Agreed, yet there's a techical question in there. What's your take? I
> usually run apt-get autoremove and orphaner, clear /var/log stuff and
> /var/cache/apt as well; yet i always do have the feeling that my /
> oughta be smaller. Is there an option to autoremove unused files?
> 
> Cheers,
> Nuno Magalhães
> 
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Well, there was a program once, called FSlint or something like that. 
Never used it personally, though.

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Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[Nuno Magalhães]

> Your parallel with "unregistered aliens" is extremely malaprop, even
> more so in the context of an
> operating system that professes to be the _universal_ operating system.
> I like to think it was just an (unwitty) attempt at being "funny"?

Agreed, yet there's a techical question in there. What's your take? I
usually run apt-get autoremove and orphaner, clear /var/log stuff and
/var/cache/apt as well; yet i always do have the feeling that my /
oughta be smaller. Is there an option to autoremove unused files?

Cheers,
Nuno Magalhães

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Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[Klistvud]

Dne, 24. 04. 2009 03:22:12 je jida...@jidanni.org napisal(a):
> Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
> $ man cruft
>   cruft - Check the filesystem for cruft (missing and unexplained
> files)
> 
> Mainly I'm talking about those unexplained files. Even just
> # cruft -d /
> will probably produce tons of output on any system that has been 
> under
> real use for more than a few weeks.
> 
> Plenty of unknown students without hall passes wandering around the
> Debian High School. Mucho unregistered aliens camping under the 
> Debian
> highway overpasses.
> 
> I won't name names but one must admit that squeaky clean Debian
> systems
> are few in reality.
> 
> The problem seems mainly those immigrant families (packages) that 
> come
> to our shores (systems) and then create all those children (files)
> without registering them properly (so dlocate will know about them,
> but
> currently they must present a list of names upon arrival at our
> shores,
> and there is no way to update it dynamically later...)
> 
> So what? Well, when one finds an old dog (file) that is causing some
> error,
> one sees if it has an owner (via dlocate), before shooting it (rm),
> and
> hoping it was mere bygone left behind, and not an important but
> unregistered file.
> 
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Your parallel with "unregistered aliens" is extremely malaprop, even 
more so in the context of an 
operating system that professes to be the _universal_ operating system. 
I like to think it was just an (unwitty) attempt at being "funny"?

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Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)

[jidanni]

Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
$ man cruft
  cruft - Check the filesystem for cruft (missing and unexplained files)

Mainly I'm talking about those unexplained files. Even just
# cruft -d /
will probably produce tons of output on any system that has been under
real use for more than a few weeks.

Plenty of unknown students without hall passes wandering around the
Debian High School. Mucho unregistered aliens camping under the Debian
highway overpasses.

I won't name names but one must admit that squeaky clean Debian systems
are few in reality.

The problem seems mainly those immigrant families (packages) that come
to our shores (systems) and then create all those children (files)
without registering them properly (so dlocate will know about them, but
currently they must present a list of names upon arrival at our shores,
and there is no way to update it dynamically later...)

So what? Well, when one finds an old dog (file) that is causing some error,
one sees if it has an owner (via dlocate), before shooting it (rm), and
hoping it was mere bygone left behind, and not an important but
unregistered file.


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