Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
You pasted a version with both the vesa driver and the ati, and seem to be commenting/uncommenting parts. Are there any differences beside the driver? Try replacing the relevant section of xorg.conf (XF86Config) with something like the following (and make sure the ati x driver is available) (some details may need tweaking): # ** # Graphics device section # ** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present # Device configured by xf86config: Section Device Identifier ATI Rage 128 Pro Chipset ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP) Driver r128 #VideoRam32768 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection Uncomment the VideoRam bit if needed. Also, What type monitor do you have? Is it an older CRT? It may be being put into a mode that almost, but not quite, works, and this scrambles the screen. Will it work at a low refresh rate than 75? Try 60. MAA On 6/11/2010 10:31 PM, Long Wind wrote: the ati card is AGP let me repeat my problem clearly the card/driver work in etch with kernel 2.6 they work in sarge with kernel 2.4 but they don't work in etch with kernel 2.4 though x server does not change! below is /etc/X11/xorg.conf # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page. # (Type man /etc/X11/xorg.conf at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi # path to defoma fonts FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Section Module Loadi2c Loadbitmap Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadvbe EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRulesxorg Option XkbModelpc104 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device /dev/input/mice Option ProtocolImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Video Card # Driver vesa Driver ati EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor Option DPMS HorizSync 46.875 VertRefresh 75 # HorizSync 28-40 # VertRefresh 43-60 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device Generic Video Card Monitor Generic Monitor DefaultDepth16 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection EndSection Section ServerLayout Identifier
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
Let me repeat: Some details may need tweaking. I am not sure if the correct ati driver is still called r128, and I think your video card is not AGP, that may make some difference. Look at your monitor's settings. MAA On 6/12/2010 3:25 PM, Mark Allums wrote: You pasted a version with both the vesa driver and the ati, and seem to be commenting/uncommenting parts. Are there any differences beside the driver? Try replacing the relevant section of xorg.conf (XF86Config) with something like the following (and make sure the ati x driver is available) (some details may need tweaking): # ** # Graphics device section # ** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present # Device configured by xf86config: Section Device Identifier ATI Rage 128 Pro Chipset ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP) Driver r128 #VideoRam 32768 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection Uncomment the VideoRam bit if needed. Also, What type monitor do you have? Is it an older CRT? It may be being put into a mode that almost, but not quite, works, and this scrambles the screen. Will it work at a low refresh rate than 75? Try 60. MAA On 6/11/2010 10:31 PM, Long Wind wrote: the ati card is AGP let me repeat my problem clearly the card/driver work in etch with kernel 2.6 they work in sarge with kernel 2.4 but they don't work in etch with kernel 2.4 though x server does not change! below is /etc/X11/xorg.conf # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page. # (Type man /etc/X11/xorg.conf at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section Files FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi # path to defoma fonts FontPath /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Section Module Load i2c Load bitmap Load ddc Load dri Load extmod Load freetype Load glx Load int10 Load vbe EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel pc104 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device /dev/input/mice Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Video Card # Driver vesa Driver ati EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor Option DPMS HorizSync 46.875 VertRefresh 75 # HorizSync 28-40 # VertRefresh 43-60 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device Generic Video Card Monitor Generic Monitor DefaultDepth 16 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection EndSection Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen Default Screen InputDevice Generic Keyboard InputDevice Configured Mouse EndSection Section DRI Mode 0666 EndSection -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c13ef6d.9070...@allums.com
problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
I have HP VL420 and etch ati rage 128 pro (or ultra?) works fine in kernel 2.6 but in kernel 2.4, it displays strangely I have to return to text mode (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and reboot and I have to use vesa driver in kernel 2.4 ati driver works fine in sarge, which use kernel 2.4 Can you help? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimmzft2u6iew7gnkxnkr7tm7mqq-l3c5vfgi...@mail.gmail.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 06/11/2010 04:12 PM, Long Wind wrote: I have HP VL420 and etch ati rage 128 pro (or ultra?) works fine in kernel 2.6 but in kernel 2.4, it displays strangely I have to return to text mode (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and reboot and I have to use vesa driver in kernel 2.4 ati driver works fine in sarge, which use kernel 2.4 Can you help? Before that, you need to hint us as to why you're still using a 2.4 kernel. Specialty h/w *might* require a different list. -- There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs. Thomas Sowell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12a8e3.4000...@cox.net
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 6/11/2010 4:12 PM, Long Wind wrote: I have HP VL420 and etch ati rage 128 pro (or ultra?) works fine in kernel 2.6 but in kernel 2.4, it displays strangely I have to return to text mode (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and reboot and I have to use vesa driver in kernel 2.4 ati driver works fine in sarge, which use kernel 2.4 Can you help? Kernel 2.4 is still used for some specialized reasons, but few people want to use it unless they have such specific reasons. Also, few want to use Sarge, since it doesn't get security updates. Perhaps you might give us a few details about your system and your requirements. Do you have a severe memory constraint, for example? (Most driver updates these days probably assume the 2.6 kernel. You may have to roll back to an older driver, if there is one. Also, it seems you are unsure what hardware you actually have. It might help to find out for sure. The difference might be significant.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12af7e.6070...@allums.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
My reason for using old s/w doesn't matter There are plenty of reason for running old s/w that's why archive.debian.org exists not only to offer sarge but potato and rex! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktime5nh0elfxw63erz4ha7ruxurjm0bhtusjp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 06/11/2010 07:04 PM, Long Wind wrote: My reason for using old s/w doesn't matter Only if you're paying us lots of money for sustaining *really* way past EOL kit. But you aren't... There are plenty of reason for running old s/w that's why archive.debian.org exists not only to offer sarge but potato and rex! -- There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs. Thomas Sowell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12d486.3020...@cox.net
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 6/11/2010 7:04 PM, Long Wind wrote: My reason for using old s/w doesn't matter There are plenty of reason for running old s/w that's why archive.debian.org exists not only to offer sarge but potato and rex! Yes. We don't need to know specific reasons. However, just knowing, as an example, that you only have 32M of memory, would tell us that a suggestion to only run 2.6 kernels would not be helpful and to skip that line of thinking. I personally have not run a 2.4 kernel since 2.6 was released, so I cannot help there (my memories are fading). I did some Googling and found that you are not alone in having problems, but a random check of a few sites revealed that every person required a different solution, so I must fall back on general suggestions. I don't suppose you are having a difficulty with your BIOS? On older computers, the AGP aperture had to be set correctly. Also: under Sarge, is the agpgart driver set up properly? Sometimes a scrambled screen is a hardware problem, and sometimes it is a memory problem. If all else fails, I used to have some success when compiling the kernel myself, rather than using a stock kernel. This is a blue sky suggestion, it may not be helpful. Did you mean Etch with 2.4 kernel is not working, but it works in Sarge, and Etch with 2.6 works? Thus it is the combination that doesn't work? Then it is a function of of X under 2.4? Have you looked in X-related forums and lists? Have you looked in ATI-related lists and forums? Have you tried searching for similar issues under (*gasp*) other Linux distributions? Have you looked in HP forums? Good Luck! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12dad1.5010...@allums.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 6/11/2010 7:54 PM, Mark Allums wrote: On 6/11/2010 7:04 PM, Long Wind wrote: My reason for using old s/w doesn't matter There are plenty of reason for running old s/w that's why archive.debian.org exists not only to offer sarge but potato and rex! but a random check of a few sites revealed that every person required a different solution, so I must fall back on general suggestions. I don't suppose you are having a difficulty with your BIOS? On older computers, the AGP aperture had to be set correctly. Also: under Sarge, is the agpgart driver set up properly? Sorry, I meant under Etch, not Sarge. MAA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12db82.2030...@allums.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
Thank Mark Allums ! I use kernel 2.4 because of producer, a video capturing application video capturing is hard to learn and config As I'm happy with the old producer I'm unwilling to spend more energy on learning/upgrading My machine is HP vl420 running P4 with 128Mx3 memory On 6/11/10, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: On 6/11/2010 7:04 PM, Long Wind wrote: Yes. We don't need to know specific reasons. However, just knowing, as an example, that you only have 32M of memory, would tell us that a suggestion to only run 2.6 kernels would not be helpful and to skip that line of thinking. I personally have not run a 2.4 kernel since 2.6 was released, so I cannot help there (my memories are fading). I did some Googling and found that you are not alone in having problems, but a random check of a few sites revealed that every person required a different solution, so I must fall back on general suggestions. I don't suppose you are having a difficulty with your BIOS? On older computers, the AGP aperture had to be set correctly. Also: under Sarge, is the agpgart driver set up properly? Sometimes a scrambled screen is a hardware problem, and sometimes it is a memory problem. If all else fails, I used to have some success when compiling the kernel myself, rather than using a stock kernel. This is a blue sky suggestion, it may not be helpful. Did you mean Etch with 2.4 kernel is not working, but it works in Sarge, and Etch with 2.6 works? Thus it is the combination that doesn't work? Then it is a function of of X under 2.4? Have you looked in X-related forums and lists? Have you looked in ATI-related lists and forums? Have you tried searching for similar issues under (*gasp*) other Linux distributions? Have you looked in HP forums? Good Luck! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12dad1.5010...@allums.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinfxopxpofj0ndpsfjxcrdyqjmizwj0wzn7l...@mail.gmail.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 06/11/2010 08:18 PM, Long Wind wrote: Thank Mark Allums ! I use kernel 2.4 because of producer, a video capturing application video capturing is hard to learn and config Are you implying that there's some specialized PCI card for which there's no known 2.6 driver? As I'm happy with the old producer I'm unwilling to spend more energy on learning/upgrading My machine is HP vl420 running P4 with 128Mx3 memory -- There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs. Thomas Sowell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12e586.2050...@cox.net
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 6/11/2010 8:18 PM, Long Wind wrote: Thank Mark Allums ! I use kernel 2.4 because of producer, a video capturing application video capturing is hard to learn and config As I'm happy with the old producer I'm unwilling to spend more energy on learning/upgrading My machine is HP vl420 running P4 with 128Mx3 memory So you have 384M? That is small by today's standards, but should be enough to do what you want. The ATI rage pro is a PCI card, right? What does your /etc/X11/XF86Config have in it? (paste or attach) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12e53b.7010...@allums.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
the ati card is AGP let me repeat my problem clearly the card/driver work in etch with kernel 2.6 they work in sarge with kernel 2.4 but they don't work in etch with kernel 2.4 though x server does not change! below is /etc/X11/xorg.conf # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page. # (Type man /etc/X11/xorg.conf at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi # path to defoma fonts FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Section Module Loadi2c Loadbitmap Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadvbe EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel pc104 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device/dev/input/mice Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Video Card # Driver vesa Driver ati EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor Option DPMS HorizSync 46.875 VertRefresh 75 # HorizSync 28-40 # VertRefresh 43-60 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device Generic Video Card Monitor Generic Monitor DefaultDepth16 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection EndSection Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen Default Screen InputDevice Generic Keyboard InputDevice Configured Mouse EndSection Section DRI Mode0666 EndSection -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktilpnt1tjq_qzdivtbivds7u_k3xcuox499mw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 06/11/2010 10:31 PM, Long Wind wrote: the ati card is AGP let me repeat my problem clearly the card/driver work in etch with kernel 2.6 they work in sarge with kernel 2.4 but they don't work in etch with kernel 2.4 though x server does not change! Then why not use a 2.6 kernel? -- There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs. Thomas Sowell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c130b9e.1050...@cox.net
Can I use kernel 2.4 in etch?
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Re: Can I use kernel 2.4 in etch?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Long Wind longwind2...@gmail.com wrote (in subject): Can I use kernel 2.4 in etch? Sure, but in some application [1] (udev included?) [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-kernel-changes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to select a wireless LAN card supported by kernel 2.4 (and/or 2.6)?
The interface should be PCI or USB, because it's desktop. USB card seem cheap, but are they supported by Linux 2.4 and/or 2.6? Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to select a wireless LAN card supported by kernel 2.4 (and/or 2.6)?
Serena Cantor([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: The interface should be PCI or USB, because it's desktop. USB card seem cheap, but are they supported by Linux 2.4 and/or 2.6? Google is your friend! For example http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility Wayne -- Daddy, what does FORMATTING DRIVE C mean? ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.4 on Etch
Gudjon I. Gudjonsson wrote: Hi Is there any simple way of making kernel 2.4 and 2.6 coexist in Debian Etch? I know a lot of complicated ways :) but I need version 2.4 to test old kernel modules. I can't give you the details on how, but I know Etch runs just fine on a 2.4 kernel. I have a virtual server (uml) from Bytemark, that I got with Sarge, and I have since done a dist-upgrade to Etch. Since the kernel sits outside of the OS, it was not updated. I can change it via their control panel, but since it runs fine (yes, I've rebooted it a few times since), I see no need. It just works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sarge install image (kernel 2.4)
Hi Could anyone please point out where to find Sarge install images? I tried to install it with debootstrap but I can only make it boot on kernel 2.6.8. When I try to boot on kernel 2.4 it shows the message /sbin/init 432: cannot open dev/console I did not find any helpful recommendations on the internet but I hope the install disk works. Thanks Gudjon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge install image (kernel 2.4)
On Wed July 4 2007 01:28, Gudjon I. Gudjonsson wrote: Hi Could anyone please point out where to find Sarge install images? I only had a quick look but I couldn't find any sarge install images. They must exist somewhere but I'm not sure where. I tried to install it with debootstrap but I can only make it boot on kernel 2.6.8. When I try to boot on kernel 2.4 it shows the message /sbin/init 432: cannot open dev/console I did not find any helpful recommendations on the internet but I hope the install disk works. Are you installing the amd64 version of sarge by chance? It requires the 2.6 kernel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge install image (kernel 2.4)
Gudjon I. Gudjonsson wrote: Hi Could anyone please point out where to find Sarge install images? I tried to install it with debootstrap but I can only make it boot on kernel 2.6.8. When I try to boot on kernel 2.4 it shows the message /sbin/init 432: cannot open dev/console I did not find any helpful recommendations on the internet but I hope the install disk works. Thanks Gudjon http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ this could be where you are looking for. s. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel 2.4 on Etch
Hi Is there any simple way of making kernel 2.4 and 2.6 coexist in Debian Etch? I know a lot of complicated ways :) but I need version 2.4 to test old kernel modules. Thanks Gudjon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.4 on Etch
Is there any simple way of making kernel 2.4 and 2.6 coexist in Debian Etch? I know a lot of complicated ways :) but I need version 2.4 to test old kernel modules. I believe that the problem might be module-init-tools which procedure do u use for compiling? (debian-way or others?) The only thing that u can do is try! Pol -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.4 on Etch
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 10:19:35AM +0200, Pol Hallen wrote: which procedure do u use for compiling? (debian-way or others?) The only thing that u can do is try! Actually, it may not be possible[0]. I think there isn't any support, and from hearing others' experience, they've run into trouble every time. [0] http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070628.213246.7332ad07.en.html Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah, 462, Jamuna Hostel, Indian Institute of Technology Madras, Chennai - 600 036 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.4 on Etch
Hi, On Tuesday 03 July 2007, Gudjon I. Gudjonsson wrote: Is there any simple way of making kernel 2.4 and 2.6 coexist in Debian Etch? I know a lot of complicated ways :) but I need version 2.4 to test old kernel modules. I suggest that if you want to use old kernel-level software, you use an adequately old OS, e.g. sarge. (as Kumar indirectly pointed out, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-incompatible-2.4 looks like this is actually as good as impossible) -- Regards, Thomas Jollans GPG key: 0xF421434B may be found on various keyservers, eg pgp.mit.edu Hacker key http://hackerkey.com/: v4sw6+8Yhw4/5ln3pr5Ock2ma2u7Lw2Nl7Di2e2t3/4TMb6HOPTen5/6g5OPa1XsMr9p-7/-6 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Kernel 2.4 on Etch
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 05:24:59PM +0200, Thomas Jollans wrote: On Tuesday 03 July 2007, Gudjon I. Gudjonsson wrote: Is there any simple way of making kernel 2.4 and 2.6 coexist in Debian Etch? I know a lot of complicated ways :) but I need version 2.4 to test old kernel modules. I suggest that if you want to use old kernel-level software, you use an adequately old OS, e.g. sarge. (as Kumar indirectly pointed out, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-incompatible-2.4 looks like this is actually as good as impossible) So backup. What is it you are trying to do that you have Etch installed but need to test old kernel modules? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel 2.4 with debian etch?
Hi. Is it possible, and how?, to install the kernel 2.4 with Etch? It seems that I don't manage to install it typing `linux24' at boot from CDROM. Thanks, Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel 2.4 with debian etch?
On Thursday 28 June 2007, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi. Is it possible, and how?, to install the kernel 2.4 with Etch? It seems that I don't manage to install it typing `linux24' at boot from CDROM. Linux 2.4 is not part of etch. In other news, linux 2.4 is ancient and linux 2.6 works well ;-) -- Regards, Thomas Jollans GPG key: 0xF421434B may be found on various keyservers, eg pgp.mit.edu Hacker key http://hackerkey.com/: v4sw6+8Yhw4/5ln3pr5Ock2ma2u7Lw2Nl7Di2e2t3/4TMb6HOPTen5/6g5OPa1XsMr9p-7/-6 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: kernel 2.4 with debian etch?
On 06/28/2007 05:25 PM, Thomas Jollans wrote: On Thursday 28 June 2007, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi. Is it possible, and how?, to install the kernel 2.4 with Etch? It seems that I don't manage to install it typing `linux24' at boot from CDROM. Linux 2.4 is not part of etch. In other news, linux 2.4 is ancient and linux 2.6 works well ;-) It's official, not just Thomas's opinion. :) Regards, Ralph (still clueless on how to paste formatted text into icedove) Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- Release Notes http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes 2.3. Major kernel-related changes - Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ships with kernel version 2.6.18 for all architectures; the release is still mostly [1] compatible with 2.4 kernels, but Debian no longer provides or supports 2.4 kernel packages. There have been major changes both in the kernel itself and in the packaging of the kernel for Debian. Some of these changes complicate the upgrade procedure and can potentially result in problems while rebooting the system after the upgrade to etch. This section gives an overview of the most important changes; potential issues and information on how to work around them is included in later chapters. If you are currently using a 2.4 kernel, you should read Section 5.2, `Upgrading to a 2.6 kernel' carefully. [1] Some individual packages may no longer work correctly with a 2.4 kernel; see Section 5.1.2, `Some applications may no longer work with a 2.4 kernel'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel 2.4 with debian etch?
Ralph Katz wrote: On 06/28/2007 05:25 PM, Thomas Jollans wrote: On Thursday 28 June 2007, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi. Is it possible, and how?, to install the kernel 2.4 with Etch? It seems that I don't manage to install it typing `linux24' at boot from CDROM. Linux 2.4 is not part of etch. In other news, linux 2.4 is ancient and linux 2.6 works well ;-) It's official, not just Thomas's opinion. :) Regards, Ralph (still clueless on how to paste formatted text into icedove) Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- Release Notes http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes 2.3. Major kernel-related changes - Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ships with kernel version 2.6.18 for all architectures; the release is still mostly [1] compatible with 2.4 kernels, but Debian no longer provides or supports 2.4 kernel packages. There have been major changes both in the kernel itself and in the packaging of the kernel for Debian. Some of these changes complicate the upgrade procedure and can potentially result in problems while rebooting the system after the upgrade to etch. This section gives an overview of the most important changes; potential issues and information on how to work around them is included in later chapters. If you are currently using a 2.4 kernel, you should read Section 5.2, `Upgrading to a 2.6 kernel' carefully. [1] Some individual packages may no longer work correctly with a 2.4 kernel; see Section 5.1.2, `Some applications may no longer work with a 2.4 kernel'. This is interesting, because I upgraded a Sarge machine with kernel 2.6.8 to Etch and a 2.6.18 kernel and had a major problem immediately after rebooting (could not login to the machine at all). However I then upgraded a Sarge machine with a 2.4.27 kernel to Etch but keeping the 2.4.27 kernel and I have not had a problem yet at all. If you're installing fresh, you might consider installing Sarge with a 2.4.27 kernel first, and then upgrade the machine, as I did. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Migrate kernel 2.4 to 2.6
I have a box ((Fujitsu-Siemens PRIMERGY RX300 S3) within Debian 4.0 Etch and 2.4.31 kernel . I very want upgrade it to kernel 2.6.21 but i don't know how do it. I installed kernel package 2.6.18 from Debian distribution but after reboot accured kernel panic (don't detect scsi megaraid). After I compiled new kernel. I installed necessary package: udev, yaird , initramfs-tools. I tried create initrd file for GRUB used yaird. It was failure. Yaird said yaird error: can't open /proc/bus/input/devices (fatal): I tried create initrd uses initramfs. It was succesfully but when i reboot box was not succesfully because appear message: Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory Done. mount: Mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory mount: Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init BusyBox v1.01 (Debian 1:1.01-4) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off / # I don't know what i do wrong. :( Thanks very much indeed for any advice or pointers to useful information. Regards Qnick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrate kernel 2.4 to 2.6
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 07:50:45AM -, Qnick wrote: I have a box ((Fujitsu-Siemens PRIMERGY RX300 S3) within Debian 4.0 Etch and 2.4.31 kernel . I very want upgrade it to kernel 2.6.21 but i don't know how do it. How did you manage to install Etch without udev and with a 2.4 kernel? For upgrading, the release notes say to upgrade the kernel to 2.6 first. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrate kernel 2.4 to 2.6
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 07:50 +, Qnick wrote: I have a box ((Fujitsu-Siemens PRIMERGY RX300 S3) within Debian 4.0 Etch and 2.4.31 kernel . I very want upgrade it to kernel 2.6.21 but i don't know how do it. I installed kernel package 2.6.18 from Debian distribution but after reboot accured kernel panic (don't detect scsi megaraid). After I compiled new kernel. I installed necessary package: udev, yaird , initramfs-tools. ... Just in general, there are reference pages out there for migration. One is http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5793467888.html This isn't a direct answer to what ails you, but is worth looking at for those switching from 2.4.x to the 2.6 kernel. Kenward -- If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. Albert Einstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrate kernel 2.4 to 2.6
dist-upgrade passed successfully and i have Debian Etch despite that box had kernel 2.4. I wanted install kernel 2.6.18 from distribution but kernel panic error displayed. Douglas Allan Tutty napisa (a): On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 07:50:45AM -, Qnick wrote: I have a box ((Fujitsu-Siemens PRIMERGY RX300 S3) within Debian 4.0 Etch and 2.4.31 kernel . I very want upgrade it to kernel 2.6.21 but i don't know how do it. How did you manage to install Etch without udev and with a 2.4 kernel? For upgrading, the release notes say to upgrade the kernel to 2.6 first. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrate kernel 2.4 to 2.6
* Qnick (2007-06-27): I have a box ((Fujitsu-Siemens PRIMERGY RX300 S3) within Debian 4.0 Etch and 2.4.31 kernel . I very want upgrade it to kernel 2.6.21 but i don't know how do it. I installed kernel package 2.6.18 from Debian distribution but after reboot accured kernel panic (don't detect scsi megaraid). After I compiled new kernel. I installed necessary package: udev, yaird , initramfs-tools. You also need module-init-tools -André -- May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb! Linux Kernel 2.6/PPC for Linkstation/KuroBox/HG/HS from http://hvkls.dyndns.org
Re: Migrate kernel 2.4 to 2.6
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:14:29 +0200 André Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Qnick (2007-06-27): I have a box ((Fujitsu-Siemens PRIMERGY RX300 S3) within Debian 4.0 Etch and 2.4.31 kernel . I very want upgrade it to kernel 2.6.21 but i don't know how do it. I installed kernel package 2.6.18 from Debian distribution but after reboot accured kernel panic (don't detect scsi megaraid). After I compiled new kernel. I installed necessary package: udev, yaird , initramfs-tools. You also need module-init-tools -André -- May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb! Linux Kernel 2.6/PPC for Linkstation/KuroBox/HG/HS from http://hvkls.dyndns.org All the stuff needed it's at $KERNELSOURCE/Documentation/CHANGES Best, Orestes. -- Orestes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrate kernel 2.4 to 2.6
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Qnick wrote: I have a box ((Fujitsu-Siemens PRIMERGY RX300 S3) within Debian 4.0 Etch and 2.4.31 kernel . I very want upgrade it to kernel 2.6.21 but i don't know how do it. I installed kernel package 2.6.18 from Debian distribution but after reboot accured kernel panic (don't detect scsi megaraid). At some point in the kernel development the megaraid module got renamed from something like megaraid2 to megaraid(something like that). You may have to force the new module to be included in the initrd. I did this by adding megaraid and megaraid2 to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules. Regards, Tod Detre - -- Pantek, Inc. - http://www.pantek.com/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-877-LINUX-FIX - Expert Open Source Software IT Services. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Cygwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGgp36IP3eD7Sc0oYRAmHKAKCbYhRUHpyGxhKgaqXDq8M1RJUcCACgrJkl 0gBlJ1oZDfA1hiHuc/mZibQ= =jgHu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrate kernel 2.4 to 2.6
On 06/27/2007 10:45 AM, Kenward Vaughan wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 07:50 +, Qnick wrote: I have a box ((Fujitsu-Siemens PRIMERGY RX300 S3) within Debian 4.0 Etch and 2.4.31 kernel . I very want upgrade it to kernel 2.6.21 but i don't know how do it. I installed kernel package 2.6.18 from Debian distribution but after reboot accured kernel panic (don't detect scsi megaraid). After I compiled new kernel. I installed necessary package: udev, yaird , initramfs-tools. ... Just in general, there are reference pages out there for migration. One is http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5793467888.html This isn't a direct answer to what ails you, but is worth looking at for those switching from 2.4.x to the 2.6 kernel. Kenward Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- Release Notes http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes The Release Notes also contain instructions for users who are upgrading from prior releases. From that, you'll know what you missed that caused the troubles, and perhaps it can help you salvage the upgrade. Ralph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problema com a ligação serial ttyS0 no kernel 2.4 para conectar um palm IIIe
On 3/29/07, André Tinoco wrote: Mas não consegui fazer o diacho da ligação serial funcionar para que eu consiga ligar o palm com o pc, venho tentando um bom tempo, mas nada O meu palm usa USB, então não posso ajudar muito. Entretanto, se você colocar uma descrição detalhada do que você tentou, dos erros, as mensagens, ficaria mais fácil conseguir ajuda. -- Bruno Schneider http://www.dcc.ufla.br/~bruno/
Problema com a ligação serial ttyS0 no kernel 2.4 para conectar um palm IIIe
Olá Pessoal Estou com problema com o kernel 2.4 para conectar um palm IIIe que tenho aqui, visto que o pc é um laptop antigo, eu tenho usado o kernel 2.4 porque tudo funciona, até o som, que roda legal neste kernel via drives oss. Mas não consegui fazer o diacho da ligação serial funcionar para que eu consiga ligar o palm com o pc, venho tentando um bom tempo, mas nada, no kernel 2.6 tem problema no drive de som, também não dá para usar porque consome muita memoria, visto que o laptop só tem 29 RAM e não tem pente para ele. Sei que deveria comprar algo mais novo, como um laptop e um palm, mas sou um pobre profissional da área de educação e não tenho muita grana, quem puder me ajudar, serei grato:) T+ -- -- André Luis Frasnelli Tinoco alfatau at gmail dot com Secretaria de Estado de Educação do Distrito Federal
Como instalar o Postgres 8.1 ou 8.2 e MySql 5 no Debian 3.1 Stable Kernel 2.4?
Como instalar o Postgres 8.1 ou 8.2 e MySql 5 no Debian 3.1 Stable Kernel 2.4 por apt-get? Alguem pode me ajudar? Obrigado! -- Adriano de Souza Barbosa Msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Como instalar o Postgres 8.1 ou 8.2 e MySql 5 no Debian 3.1 Stable Kernel 2.4?
2007/1/9, Adriano Maverick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Como instalar o Postgres 8.1 ou 8.2 e MySql 5 no Debian 3.1 Stable Kernel 2.4 por apt-get? Alguem pode me ajudar? Tentou procurar no www.backports.org?? -- Marcos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOLUCIONADO atualizar kernel 2.4 para 2.6 some /dev/tty[1-x]
Um pouco de trabalho, mas ficou assim: Atualizando debian sarge 2.4 para sarge 2.6 compilando o kernel com opções especiais. # apt-get install udev A instalação do udev no kernel 2.4 fez toda a diferença. Sem instalar ele antes de tudo, os /dev/tty/??? não eram criado pelo udev de forma nenhuma após o reboot ! # apt-get dist-upgrade # apt-get install kernel-images-2.6 # apt-get install kernel-source-2.6 # apt-get install kernel-tree-2.6 descompactei o source # cd /usr/src # tar xjf kernel-source-2.6 # cp /boot/config-2.6* kernel-source-2.6/.config # cd kernel-source-2.6 # make menuconfig Agora selecionei algumas alterações do kernel que necessitava. Sai do menu de configuração do kernel e continuei executando : # make-kpkg --initrd --us --uc kernel_image # dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6_10.00.Custom_i386.deb Como eu não tinha muita coisa em especial no lilo (uso o lilo sempre que possível), removi o arquivo conf dele # rm /etc/lilo.conf Executei o liloconfig com padrões. Não quero personalizar nada. Só quero funcionando. #liloconfig #reboot Após reiniciar, já om o kernel 2.6, dei mais um apt-get dist-upgrade. Apareceu mais uns arquivos. Instalei todos. Obrigado a todos pela ajuda. ;)
atualizar kernel 2.4 para 2.6 some /dev/tty[1-x]
Bom dia Após alguns anos, volto a esta lista. Pois bem, vamos ao problema. Tenho 64 servidores, todos com Debian Sarge kernel 2.4. Estava tudo na paz até eu ter que atualizar o kernel para 2.6 Consegui colocar tudo em ordem, mas os /dev/tty[1-x] sumiram. Com isso não consigo logar no terminal local das máquinas. Todo o resto está funcionando perfeitamente. Alguém sabe como resolvo isso ? Obrigado Erico Schuch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: atualizar kernel 2.4 para 2.6 some /dev/tty[1-x]
Nota. Baixei o fonte 2.6 com apt-get, utilizei o .config que vem junto e habilitei os fs reiser, ext3 e xfs no kernel, não como modulo, mas como parte do kernel, pois tenho necessidade disso assim. No mais, tudo padrão. Já dei um upgrade na distro (apt-get dist-upgrade) e varri o google na procura desse problema, mas nada. Alguém se habilita ? Erico Schuch escreveu: Bom dia Após alguns anos, volto a esta lista. Pois bem, vamos ao problema. Tenho 64 servidores, todos com Debian Sarge kernel 2.4. Estava tudo na paz até eu ter que atualizar o kernel para 2.6 Consegui colocar tudo em ordem, mas os /dev/tty[1-x] sumiram. Com isso não consigo logar no terminal local das máquinas. Todo o resto está funcionando perfeitamente. Alguém sabe como resolvo isso ? Obrigado Erico Schuch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: atualizar kernel 2.4 para 2.6 some /dev/tty[1-x]
Vc seguiu os passos das notas de lançamento p/ atualizar? Caso esteja atualizando para a últma versão estável a partir de uma versão anterior, por favor leia as notas de lançamento antes de prosseguir. http://www.br.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes O .config certo que vc deve usar vem com a imagem do kernel; não sei o que vem junto com o pacote kernel-source. P/ os tty sumirem, certamente ficou faltando algo no seu kernel. -- Marcos Em 09/12/06, Erico Schuch[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Nota. Baixei o fonte 2.6 com apt-get, utilizei o .config que vem junto e habilitei os fs reiser, ext3 e xfs no kernel, não como modulo, mas como parte do kernel, pois tenho necessidade disso assim. No mais, tudo padrão. Já dei um upgrade na distro (apt-get dist-upgrade) e varri o google na procura desse problema, mas nada. Alguém se habilita ? Erico Schuch escreveu: Bom dia Após alguns anos, volto a esta lista. Pois bem, vamos ao problema. Tenho 64 servidores, todos com Debian Sarge kernel 2.4. Estava tudo na paz até eu ter que atualizar o kernel para 2.6 Consegui colocar tudo em ordem, mas os /dev/tty[1-x] sumiram. Com isso não consigo logar no terminal local das máquinas. Todo o resto está funcionando perfeitamente. Alguém sabe como resolvo isso ? Obrigado Erico Schuch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: atualizar kernel 2.4 para 2.6 some /dev/tty[1-x]
Sim. Li toda a documentação possível sobre isso. Os passos executados foram baixar o source do 2.6 por apt baixar a imagem 2.6 386 por apt usar o .config da imagem baixado por apt no menuconfig adicionar suporte a ext3, reiser e xfs no kernel não como modulo compilar o fonte com #make-kpkg --initrd --us --uc kernel_image usado o dpkg para instalar o pacote. Também alterado os arquivos do Xfree, fstab (tenho hd sata, e no kernel 2.6 montou como sda e não mais como hda) e do lilo. Está tudo funcionando, menos os getty do inittab. Vi que não existia em /dev/ os tty1, tty2 etc. somente /dev/tty. Achei algo na net comentando que estaria como /dev/tty/1... mas o /dev/tty é um nod. Mesmo removendo o nod /dev/tty e criando o diretorio /dev/tty, ao reiniciar o mesmo passa a ser um nod novamente. Se tiver alguma idéia o que pode ser, agradeço Marcos Lazarini escreveu: Vc seguiu os passos das notas de lançamento p/ atualizar? Caso esteja atualizando para a últma versão estável a partir de uma versão anterior, por favor leia as notas de lançamento antes de prosseguir. http://www.br.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes O .config certo que vc deve usar vem com a imagem do kernel; não sei o que vem junto com o pacote kernel-source. P/ os tty sumirem, certamente ficou faltando algo no seu kernel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: atualizar kernel 2.4 para 2.6 some /dev/tty[1-x]
Em Sábado 09 Dezembro 2006 17:07, Erico Schuch escreveu: Sim. Li toda a documentação possível sobre isso. Os passos executados foram baixar o source do 2.6 por apt baixar a imagem 2.6 386 por apt [...] Também alterado os arquivos do Xfree, fstab (tenho hd sata, e no kernel 2.6 montou como sda e não mais como hda) e do lilo. Está tudo funcionando, menos os getty do inittab. Vi que não existia em /dev/ os tty1, tty2 etc. somente /dev/tty. Achei algo na net comentando que estaria como /dev/tty/1... mas o /dev/tty é um nod. Mesmo removendo o nod /dev/tty e criando o diretorio /dev/tty, ao reiniciar o mesmo passa a ser um nod novamente. Se tiver alguma idéia o que pode ser, agradeço Como os dispositivos são criados? udev? Qual versão? Você procurou algo a respeito? Se não me engano, na passagem do 2.4 para o 2.6 passamos do devfs para o udev, que passou a integrar também o hotplug. Não sei dizer o que fazer, mas são ao menos dicas de caminhos para pesquisar. Quando você inicia novamente com o 2.4, volta tudo ao normal? Você tentou criar na mão os tty? boa sorte, Tiago.
Re: atualizar kernel 2.4 para 2.6 some /dev/tty[1-x]
Ola Tiago Como os dispositivos são criados? udev? Qual versão? Você procurou algo a respeito? Se não me engano, na passagem do 2.4 para o 2.6 passamos do devfs para o udev, que passou a integrar também o hotplug. Estou usando udev. Segundo o site da Debian, o udev cria os nod de dispositivos no /dev dinamicamente. Não encontrei informação sobre os tty. Udev cria dinamicamente os /dev/tty também ? Não sei dizer o que fazer, mas são ao menos dicas de caminhos para pesquisar. Quando você inicia novamente com o 2.4, volta tudo ao normal? Você tentou criar na mão os tty? Isso é a parte mais extranha. Quando retorno para 2.4, está tudo lá, funcionando. Quanto a criar, talvez utilizei o comando errado #mknod -m 666 /dev/tty1 c 5 0 , mas mesmo assim, ao reiniciar a maquina, os /dev/tty1,2,3... somem !!! boa sorte, Tiago. Muito obrigado Tiago Se tiver uma luz, prometo mandar um cartão postal da minha cidade ! ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: atualizar kernel 2.4 para 2.6 some /dev/tty[1-x]
Em Sábado 09 Dezembro 2006 20:29, Erico Schuch escreveu: Ola Tiago Como os dispositivos são criados? udev? Qual versão? Você procurou algo a respeito? Se não me engano, na passagem do 2.4 para o 2.6 passamos do devfs para o udev, que passou a integrar também o hotplug. Estou usando udev. Segundo o site da Debian, o udev cria os nod de dispositivos no /dev dinamicamente. Isso. O /dev é um sistema de arquivos virtual, montado pelo udev (aparece com o comando mount). Não encontrei informação sobre os tty. Udev cria dinamicamente os /dev/tty também ? Sim, ele cria todos os arquivos do diretório /dev. As regras estão (na versão que eu uso, da etch), no diretório /etc/udev/rules.d/, no arquivo 020_permission.rules (se não me engano, são essas): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/udev/rules.d$ grep tty 020_permissions.rules SUBSYSTEM==tty, GROUP=dialout # vc devices (all members of the tty subsystem) KERNEL==tty, MODE=0666,GROUP=root KERNEL==tty[0-9]*,GROUP=root KERNEL==pty*, MODE=0666,GROUP=tty Quando você inicia novamente com o 2.4, volta tudo ao normal? Você tentou criar na mão os tty? Isso é a parte mais extranha. Quando retorno para 2.4, está tudo lá, funcionando. Quanto a criar, talvez utilizei o comando errado #mknod -m 666 /dev/tty1 c 5 0 , mas mesmo assim, ao reiniciar a maquina, os /dev/tty1,2,3... somem !!! Se você está usando udev, é normal. Faria sentido criar na mão os arquivos só para testar, mas eles deveriam ser criados automaticamente. São só os ttyn que sumiram? E os ttySn , pty, ttyp? Tiago.
Re: atualizar kernel 2.4 para 2.6 some /dev/tty[1-x]
Esqueci de uma pergunta/sugestão importante: Você tentou instalar alguma outra versão do 2.6? Por exemplo do backports? Normalmente isso torna a vida mais fácil. Tiago.
Re: Linux Brücke - Kernel 2.4 Routin g-Problem [SOLVED]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Stefan Bauer schrieb: Meine Frage ist nun, ob sich da irgendwo ein Denkfehler versteckt hat, ob das evtl. garnicht so möglich ist mit Kernel 2.4 oder ob es mehr Aufwand bedarf. Problem gelöst. ebtables war notwendig. Falls wer an der Lösung interessiert ist, werd ich den Einsatz eines Proxy's mit Dansguardian als Content-Filter auf einer Linux-Bridge dokumentieren. Gruß - -- * Stefan Bauer * * Bavaria / Germany / Chiemsee * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * GPG ID: D5176489 * * www.plzk.de . www.plzk.com . www.lug-ts.de * * * -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFHkqSAtCt2tUXZIkRCro4AJ0SJoGTSg9lRQMg4q2eQY2+FUq1GQCgy6/H 1ZMlYFfw/lnZ1GJ4jpR0LGA= =oxj8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Linux Brücke - Kernel 2.4 Routing-Pr oblem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 servus, ich hab hier mal wieder ein Problem. Rechner mit 2 Nic's, welcher selber einen Proxy zur Verfügung stellt auf Port 3128. Kernel 2.4. Die Netzwerkgeräte habe ich zusammengefasst zu bridge0 bridge:~# brctl show bridge0 bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces bridge0 8000.004f4e058d8d no eth0 eth1 Die Bridge funktioniert auch einwandfrei das sehe ich an tcpdump sowie... sprich Verkehr geht ohne Probleme durch die Bridge. bridge:~# brctl showmacs bridge0 port no mac addris local? ageing timer 2 00:0f:b5:a3:f1:e6 no 0.01 2 00:40:05:d3:f4:2c no 0.51 1 00:4f:4e:05:8d:8d yes0.00 2 00:50:ba:8e:70:33 yes0.00 Jetzt würde ich gerne den Verkehr, welcher über die Bridge geht und den Zielport 80 hat (--dport 80) an den lokalen Squid auf Port 3128 übergeben. Hier dachte ich an: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp - --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 Funktioniert so aber nicht, die Anfragen gehen weiter über die Bridge und der Proxy sieht nichts von. Meine Frage ist nun, ob sich da irgendwo ein Denkfehler versteckt hat, ob das evtl. garnicht so möglich ist mit Kernel 2.4 oder ob es mehr Aufwand bedarf. Ausgangspunkt war hier ein Artikel im Linux-Magazin 10/06, in welchem ich aber schon auf ein paar andere Fehler gestoßen bin und jetzt den Verdacht habe, dort stecken noch mehr. Gruß - -- * Stefan Bauer * * Bavaria / Germany / Chiemsee * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * GPG ID: D5176489 * * www.plzk.de . www.plzk.com . www.lug-ts.de * * * -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFHTO7AtCt2tUXZIkRCirvAKCTDVi0R7jMucEnghCV/RRBJ2gLZgCgwGgk FxfmpXhgZS9L07C5K+St+Aw= =YhTw -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Linux Brücke - Kernel 2.4 Routing-Problem
Am Freitag, 29. September 2006 16:55 schrieb Stefan Bauer: [bridge kram] Jetzt würde ich gerne den Verkehr, welcher über die Bridge geht und den Zielport 80 hat (--dport 80) an den lokalen Squid auf Port 3128 übergeben. Hier dachte ich an: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 Funktioniert so aber nicht, die Anfragen gehen weiter über die Bridge und der Proxy sieht nichts von. Die Pakete durchlaufen keine iptables chains, da ja nichts geroutet wird. Schau dir mal die ebtables an. Entsprechende Dokumentation ist im Internet haufenweise zu finden. -- Markus Schulz Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. - Rich Cook
Re: Linux Brücke - Kernel 2.4 Routin g-Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Markus Schulz schrieb: Die Pakete durchlaufen keine iptables chains, da ja nichts geroutet wird. sicher? ich konnte auf freshmeat[1] anderers lesen. ich will einfach nur vermeiden extra einen neuen kernel zu bauen (die kiste steht nichtmal hier lokal) nur für einen befehl, welcher evtl. auch anders realisierbar ist. [1] http://osx.freshmeat.net/articles/view/1433/ - -- * Stefan Bauer * * Bavaria / Germany / Chiemsee * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * GPG ID: D5176489 * * www.plzk.de . www.plzk.com . www.lug-ts.de * * * -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFHVDVAtCt2tUXZIkRChaEAJ43xLnNV4ZuEZi2XXkwDRZLin7FNwCfbEyG Q+SfvSYF4DE0KLvABvr2+Gw= =ExfA -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Linux Brücke - Kernel 2.4 Routing-Problem
Am Freitag, 29. September 2006 18:59 schrieb Stefan Bauer: gpgkeys: key 02D0ADDAD5176489 not found on keyserver Markus Schulz schrieb: Die Pakete durchlaufen keine iptables chains, da ja nichts geroutet wird. sicher? ich konnte auf freshmeat[1] anderers lesen. ich will einfach nur vermeiden extra einen neuen kernel zu bauen (die kiste steht nichtmal hier lokal) nur für einen befehl, welcher evtl. auch anders realisierbar ist. [1] http://osx.freshmeat.net/articles/view/1433/ Hast du auch das hier gelesen: bash# ebtables -t broute -A BROUTING -p IPv4 --ip-protocol 6 \ --ip-destination-port 80 -j redirect --redirect-target ACCEPT ... The first command says that packets passing through the bridge going to port 80 will be redirected to the local machine, instead of being bridged. -- Markus Schulz Plug and Play ist eine ganz tolle Sache, leider funktioniert es in der Regel nur zu 50 Prozent. Um exakt zu sein: Plug gelingt eigentlich immer... (Aus dem C-Tutorial von Jürgen Dankert)
Re: Linux Brücke - Kernel 2.4 Routin g-Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Markus Schulz schrieb: Hast du auch das hier gelesen: bash# ebtables -t broute -A BROUTING -p IPv4 --ip-protocol 6 \ --ip-destination-port 80 -j redirect --redirect-target ACCEPT ja ich hab sogar noch weiter gelesen ;) To my surprise, even if BI removed the ebtables statement, it still worksB. Care to comment why ? In other words, the following statment is sufficient! iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i br0 -p tcp --dport 80 \ - -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 sowie die Antwort darauf: By the time i worked on that problem iptables was not able to see packets going thru the bridge. There was even another proyect useful for bringing packets into iptables: the frame diverter. Perhaps there was a promise to patch iptables. Maybe iptables is now capable of doing that without ebtables. - -- * Stefan Bauer * * Bavaria / Germany / Chiemsee * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * GPG ID: D5176489 * * www.plzk.de . www.plzk.com . www.lug-ts.de * * * -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFHV3iAtCt2tUXZIkRCtljAJ9+bE7VVie+PlhwW9SOEC0xKTAhGQCfQD0I c6eMmVuC1gnnssqNs7/An6k= =eSlq -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Linux Brücke - Kernel 2.4 Routing-Problem
Am Freitag, 29. September 2006 19:54 schrieb Stefan Bauer:
gpgkeys: key 02D0ADDAD5176489 not found on keyserver
Markus Schulz schrieb:
Hast du auch das hier gelesen:
bash# ebtables -t broute -A BROUTING -p IPv4 --ip-protocol 6 \
--ip-destination-port 80 -j redirect --redirect-target
ACCEPT
ja ich hab sogar noch weiter gelesen ;)
To my surprise, even if BI removed the ebtables statement, it still
worksB. Care to comment why ?
In other words, the following statment is sufficient!
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i br0 -p tcp --dport 80 \
-j REDIRECT --to-port 3128
sowie die Antwort darauf:
By the time i worked on that problem iptables was not able to see
packets going thru the bridge. There was even another proyect useful
for bringing packets into iptables: the frame diverter.
Perhaps there was a promise to patch iptables. Maybe iptables is now
capable of doing that without ebtables.
ok, hatte das nur überflogen.
Ich bleibe aber dabei, das iptables diese Pakete nicht zu Gesicht
bekommt.
Nach dieser Grafik
http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/br_fw_ia/PacketFlow.png erscheint er
mir aber unlogisch wie das ohne ebtables funktionieren soll.(ausser
mittels Routing Regeln)
Würde mich direkt interessieren warum es bei demjenigen auch ohne
ebtables BRoute Regel funktioniert hat.
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ich hatte einmal ein kommandozeilenprogramm, mit dem ich word-datein
bearbeiten konnte, weiß aber nicht mehr wie das heißt.
find . -name *.doc | xargs rm -f {} \;
[Andreas Kretschmer in dug]
Re: Linux Brücke - Kernel 2.4 Routin g-Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Markus Schulz schrieb: Nach dieser Grafik http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/br_fw_ia/PacketFlow.png erscheint er mir aber unlogisch wie das ohne ebtables funktionieren soll.(ausser mittels Routing Regeln) Würde mich direkt interessieren warum es bei demjenigen auch ohne ebtables BRoute Regel funktioniert hat. Ehrlich gesagt übersteigt die Grafik gerade meine Vorstellungskraft. Hab jetzt hier mal kurz auf Kernel 2.6 erneuert und werde mal morgen testen ob es klappt mit ebtables. Gibt es eine Möglichkeit, wie ich von der Bridge aus Verkehr erzeuge, der einen Ablauf nachstellt, als würden andere Clients aus dem Netz www Traffic machen? Gruß - -- * Stefan Bauer * * Bavaria / Germany / Chiemsee * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * GPG ID: D5176489 * * www.plzk.de . www.plzk.com . www.lug-ts.de * * * -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFHWTGAtCt2tUXZIkRCoisAJ9sCVlk4jtfguuXc1MnB2dtA76nKwCdG8dq hNp5y8sANmiaQT1JF0wN1NU= =puVK -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Linux Brücke - Kernel 2.4 Routing-Problem
Am Freitag, 29. September 2006 20:12 schrieb Markus Schulz: Am Freitag, 29. September 2006 19:54 schrieb Stefan Bauer: gpgkeys: key 02D0ADDAD5176489 not found on keyserver Markus Schulz schrieb: Hast du auch das hier gelesen: bash# ebtables -t broute -A BROUTING -p IPv4 --ip-protocol 6 \ --ip-destination-port 80 -j redirect --redirect-target ACCEPT ja ich hab sogar noch weiter gelesen ;) To my surprise, even if BI removed the ebtables statement, it still worksB. Care to comment why ? In other words, the following statment is sufficient! iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i br0 -p tcp --dport 80 \ -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 sowie die Antwort darauf: By the time i worked on that problem iptables was not able to see packets going thru the bridge. There was even another proyect useful for bringing packets into iptables: the frame diverter. Perhaps there was a promise to patch iptables. Maybe iptables is now capable of doing that without ebtables. ok, hatte das nur überflogen. Ich bleibe aber dabei, das iptables diese Pakete nicht zu Gesicht bekommt. Nach dieser Grafik http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/br_fw_ia/PacketFlow.png erscheint er mir aber unlogisch wie das ohne ebtables funktionieren soll.(ausser mittels Routing Regeln) Hmm ist aber eigentlich quark, gerade in dieser Grafik sieht man ja eigentlich, das die Pakete sehr wohl die PreRouting Chain der NAT und Mangle Table durchlaufen. Bin jetzt auch etwas verdutzt. -- Markus Schulz
Re: Problema na hora de compliar kernel 2.4
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 acho q isso aqui pode lhe ajudar.. olha o comando mkinitrd... falow http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.pt-br.html Atenciosamente - -- Marlos Sedrez Atendimento Linux/Redes - Senior TI Linux User # 400480 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefone: 3221-3332 R.:408 Leandro Moreira escreveu: Caros, estou tendo o seguinte problema pra compilar um kernel 2.4 spyder:/usr/src/linux# make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image Warning: You are using the initrd option, that may not work, depending on your kernel version and architecture, unless you have applied the initrd cramfs patch to the kernel, or modified mkinitrd not to use cramfs by default. The cramfs initrd patch, is included in the Debian supplied kernel sources. New kernels on most architectures do work fine. By default, I assume you know what you are doing, and I apologize for being so annoying. Should I abort[Ny]?N /usr/share/kernel-package/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Pare No kernel 2.6 ele compila sem problemas, alguem tem alguma sugestao do que posso fazer. Att. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEq6n8qefuF2nUUeERAtDLAJ9gElB3Riu3gYcFJTrBpljSwQyRmwCeJFg/ aI49t91I1f1kPUjFfmFexY8= =50G9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problema na hora de compliar kernel 2.4
Caros, estou tendo o seguinte problema pra compilar um kernel 2.4 spyder:/usr/src/linux# make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image Warning: You are using the initrd option, that may not work, depending on your kernel version and architecture, unless you have applied the initrd cramfs patch to the kernel, or modified mkinitrd not to use cramfs by default. The cramfs initrd patch, is included in the Debian supplied kernel sources. New kernels on most architectures do work fine. By default, I assume you know what you are doing, and I apologize for being so annoying. Should I abort[Ny]?N /usr/share/kernel-package/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Pare No kernel 2.6 ele compila sem problemas, alguem tem alguma sugestao do que posso fazer. Att. -- Leandro Moreira Linux Networking Telefone: +55 (32) 9197-7909 E-mail/MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Compilar Kernel 2.4 - k6
Olá galera,Vou compilar um kernel 2.4-k6 no meu k6 2 500 que tá com o Debian. Baixei o pacote do kernel em .deb. Pra fazer ele funcionar é só usar o dpkg -i kernel.deb e depois um grub-install hda1 ou tem que fazer mais alguma coisa? Procurei alguma à respeito na net, mas não achei nada de muito concreto.Valew galera.Fiquem com Deus-- Ueverton Leomir
Re: Compilar Kernel 2.4 - k6
Olá galera, Vou compilar um kernel 2.4-k6 no meu k6 2 500 que tá com o Debian. Baixei o pacote do kernel em .deb. Pra fazer ele funcionar é só usar o dpkg -i kernel.deb e depois um grub-install hda1 ou tem que fazer mais alguma coisa? Procurei alguma à respeito na net, mas não achei nada de muito concreto. Valew galera. Fiquem com Deus -- Ueverton Leomir Assim tu vais instalar um pacote pré-compilado e não compilar o kernel. Podes fazer todo o processo de instalação através do apt: $ aptitude search kernel 2.4 k6 Para instalar farias o seguinte: # aptitude install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 kernel-modules-2.4.27-2-k6 kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-k6 Depois basta reiniciar o computador e selecionar o novo kernel, estará funcionando. Para compilar pesquise sobre o make-kpkg, e no aptitude instale apenas o kernel-source para a versão desejada. -- Maxwillian Miorim [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Slackware 10.2/current * OpenBSD 3.9 * Debian SID/experimental ** Não alimente os trolls **
Re: Compilar Kernel 2.4 - k6
Ueverton,
Em Sex, Junho 16, 2006 13:11, Ueverton Leomir escreveu:
Olá galera,
Vou compilar um kernel 2.4-k6 no meu k6 2 500 que tá com o Debian. Baixei
o pacote do kernel em .deb. Pra fazer ele funcionar é só usar o dpkg -i
kernel.deb e depois um grub-install hda1 ou tem que fazer mais alguma
coisa?
Não entendi muito a sua questão. Que pacote? source ou image?
Vc quer mesmo compilar o kernel ou instalar uma nova imagem?
Para instalar uma nova imagem, já pronta, é só procurar no repositório a
imagem desejada e executar:
apt-get install kernel-image{escolhida).
O pacote automaticamente acrescentará no lilo ou grub a entrada para que
vc possa utilizá-la no próximo boot.
Compilar:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.pt-br.html
Um abraço,
Luiz Gonzaga da Mata.
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SATA X Kernel 2.4-27
Olá Estou em um dilema... Vamos atualizar um servidor de arquivo rodando Debian 3 Sarge, com kernel 2.4-27, com hds IDE. O micro é um P4 HT 2.8 ghz e tem duas entras SATA. Estou querendo tirar os IDEs e fazer uma RAID com os SATA, mas este é um micro de missão crítica, e nunca trabalhei com os sata no linux. Alguém que já usou pode me dizer se é um boa, ou é melhor eu ficar com os meus IDEs mesmo. Posso esperar alguma surpresa desagradável ou é transparente. Andei lendo o histórico da lista, e verifiquei que existem opiniões dos dois lados, gostaria de um desempate para tomar uma decisão acertada. Desde já muito obrigado Pedro ___ Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail: 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. http://br.info.mail.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA X Kernel 2.4-27
Estou em um dilema... Vamos atualizar um servidor de arquivo rodando
Debian 3 Sarge, com kernel 2.4-27, com hds IDE. O micro é um P4 HT 2.8
ghz e tem duas entras SATA.
Estou querendo tirar os IDEs e fazer uma RAID com os SATA, mas este é um
micro de missão crítica, e nunca trabalhei com os sata no linux.
Alguém que já usou pode me dizer se é um boa, ou é melhor eu ficar com
os meus IDEs mesmo.
É recomendável que brinque um pouco antes com outra máquina para não
deixar o cara da missão crítica fora de operação, a menos que goste de
viver perigosamente :)
Posso esperar alguma surpresa desagradável ou é transparente. Andei
lendo o histórico da lista, e verifiquei que existem opiniões dos dois
lados, gostaria de um desempate para tomar uma decisão acertada.
Eu vejo o SATA apenas pelo lado bom, muito bom. As taxas de
transferências são 3 vezes maiores nos HDs SATA 7.2k RPM do que nos
HDs IDE de mesmo RPM. (Ainda não pude mexer com algo como 10k ou 15k
RPM... :( ) e há uma estabilidade excepcional.
Até hoje nunca tive problemas com este tipo de disco, menos que em
discos SCSI inclusive.
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Re: SATA X Kernel 2.4-27
Pedro - Debian wrote: Olá Estou em um dilema... Vamos atualizar um servidor de arquivo rodando Debian 3 Sarge, com kernel 2.4-27, com hds IDE. O micro é um P4 HT 2.8 ghz e tem duas entras SATA. Estou querendo tirar os IDEs e fazer uma RAID com os SATA, mas este é um micro de missão crítica, e nunca trabalhei com os sata no linux. Alguém que já usou pode me dizer se é um boa, ou é melhor eu ficar com os meus IDEs mesmo. Posso esperar alguma surpresa desagradável ou é transparente. Andei lendo o histórico da lista, e verifiquei que existem opiniões dos dois lados, gostaria de um desempate para tomar uma decisão acertada. Desde já muito obrigado Pedro ___ Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail: 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. http://br.info.mail.yahoo.com/ Já usei hd sata em duas máquinas debian sem nenhum problema. Nunca fiz raid, porém. Use a opção expert26, na instalação, ao bootar. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian testing xorg 6.9 + kernel 2.4
Maintenant mon xorg marche, donc tout va bien, il ne me reste plus qu'à configurer certains trucs pour avoir un son qui va bien, et d'autres trucs plus ou moins important, et puis roulez jeunesse ! ;D j'avais cherché pas mal pour le son... en oubliant de cocher dans les cases des privilèges utilisateurs la possibilité d'avoir du son... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian testing xorg 6.9 + kernel 2.4
Jean Baptiste Balleyguier wrote: Bonjour, Salut et joyeuse pâques ! j'ai voulu installer une vraie debian après avoir passé un petit moment sur une kubuntu (j'en avais un peu assez du système sudo par défaut). C'est aussi une question d'utilisation qu'on fait de sa bécane... Cela dit, j'appréciais bien l'aspect derniers paquets très vite disponibles de ubuntu. Alors je me sui dit : testing. Le problème c'est que malgré un apt-get update puis dist-upgrade je reste un kernel 2.4 (c'est pas un 2.6 dans la testing ??). Je ne comprends pas là : tu as changé sources.list de ton kubuntu pour ensuite faire dist-upgrade et arriver ainsi à installer debian ? A mon sens, il vaut mieux faire une installation tout propre. Les netinstalls de testing sont disponibles sur le site de debian, c'est nickel ! Testing existe en 2.6, mais peut très bien être aussi en 2.4. Tu peux très bien être en testing avec un noyaux 2.4. En plus, j'ai voulu installer xorg. L'installation se passe pas trop mal (je crois que c'est un 6.9..en principe si j'ai bien vu), mais lorsque je lance X et le PC freeze et je suis obligé de relancer le pc à la barbare...je n'ai pas non plus de xorgcfg ni d'option xorg -config. Donc je suis un peu perdu, je ne sais pas trop quoi installer pour que ça marche... xorg - config, c'est : #dpkg - reconfigure xserver-xorg Je ne suis pas sûr qu'il faille absolument installer un truc. Comme je disais, ça dépend aussi un peu de comment tu as installé ton testing. Est-ce que quelqu'un peu m'aider ?? Pour l'instant je suis en ligne de commande et je ne peux pas faire grand chose...help ! Jean Baptiste -- Jean Baptiste Balleyguier 83 rue de Paris 92190 Meudon 0622194512 JBTux...un manchot au pays du Pingouin Mon CV: http://tolkienuniversite.free.fr/jbballeyguier_CV.pdf -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian testing xorg 6.9 + kernel 2.4
Bonjour, et joyeuses paques :) , Je ne comprends pas là : tu as changé sources.list de ton kubuntu pour ensuite faire dist-upgrade et arriver ainsi à installer debian ? A mon sens, il vaut mieux faire une installation tout propre. Les netinstalls de testing sont disponibles sur le site de debian, c'est nickel ! Testing existe en 2.6, mais peut très bien être aussi en 2.4. Tu peux très bien être en testing avec un noyaux 2.4. En fait j'ai fait une install propre. Je ne savais pas que les netinstalls testing étaient dispo sur le site, faudra que je fouine un peu : là ce que j'ai fait c'est un install stable, puis modif du source.list puis un dist-upgrade vers testing. Maintenant mon xorg marche, donc tout va bien, il ne me reste plus qu'à configurer certains trucs pour avoir un son qui va bien, et d'autres trucs plus ou moins important, et puis roulez jeunesse ! ;D Merci Jean Baptiste On 4/17/06, thiebo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jean Baptiste Balleyguier wrote: Bonjour, Salut et joyeuse pâques ! j'ai voulu installer une vraie debian après avoir passé un petit moment sur une kubuntu (j'en avais un peu assez du système sudo par défaut). C'est aussi une question d'utilisation qu'on fait de sa bécane... Cela dit, j'appréciais bien l'aspect derniers paquets très vite disponibles de ubuntu. Alors je me sui dit : testing. Le problème c'est que malgré un apt-get update puis dist-upgrade je reste un kernel 2.4 (c'est pas un 2.6 dans la testing ??). Je ne comprends pas là : tu as changé sources.list de ton kubuntu pour ensuite faire dist-upgrade et arriver ainsi à installer debian ? A mon sens, il vaut mieux faire une installation tout propre. Les netinstalls de testing sont disponibles sur le site de debian, c'est nickel ! Testing existe en 2.6, mais peut très bien être aussi en 2.4. Tu peux très bien être en testing avec un noyaux 2.4. En plus, j'ai voulu installer xorg. L'installation se passe pas trop mal (je crois que c'est un 6.9..en principe si j'ai bien vu), mais lorsque je lance X et le PC freeze et je suis obligé de relancer le pc à la barbare...je n'ai pas non plus de xorgcfg ni d'option xorg -config. Donc je suis un peu perdu, je ne sais pas trop quoi installer pour que ça marche... xorg - config, c'est : #dpkg - reconfigure xserver-xorg Je ne suis pas sûr qu'il faille absolument installer un truc. Comme je disais, ça dépend aussi un peu de comment tu as installé ton testing. Est-ce que quelqu'un peu m'aider ?? Pour l'instant je suis en ligne de commande et je ne peux pas faire grand chose...help ! Jean Baptiste -- Jean Baptiste Balleyguier 83 rue de Paris 92190 Meudon 0622194512 JBTux...un manchot au pays du Pingouin Mon CV: http://tolkienuniversite.free.fr/jbballeyguier_CV.pdf -- Jean Baptiste Balleyguier 83 rue de Paris 92190 Meudon 0622194512 JBTux...un manchot au pays du Pingouin Mon CV: http://tolkienuniversite.free.fr/jbballeyguier_CV.pdf
debian testing xorg 6.9 + kernel 2.4
Bonjour,j'ai voulu installer une vraie debian après avoir passé un petit moment sur une kubuntu (j'en avais un peu assez du système sudo par défaut).Cela dit, j'appréciais bien l'aspect derniers paquets très vite disponibles de ubuntu. Alors je me sui dit : testing. Le problème c'est que malgré un apt-get update puis dist-upgrade je reste un kernel 2.4 (c'est pas un 2.6 dans la testing ??).En plus, j'ai voulu installer xorg. L'installation se passe pas trop mal (je crois que c'est un 6.9..en principe si j'ai bien vu), mais lorsque je lance X et le PC freeze et je suis obligé de relancer le pc à la barbare...je n'ai pas non plus de xorgcfg ni d'option xorg -config. Donc je suis un peu perdu, je ne sais pas trop quoi installer pour que ça marche... Est-ce que quelqu'un peu m'aider ?? Pour l'instant je suis en ligne de commande et je ne peux pas faire grand chose...help !Jean Baptiste-- Jean Baptiste Balleyguier83 rue de Paris 92190 Meudon0622194512JBTux...un manchot au pays du PingouinMon CV: http://tolkienuniversite.free.fr/jbballeyguier_CV.pdf
Re: debian testing xorg 6.9 + kernel 2.4
Bonjour, On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 07:40:26PM +0200, Jean Baptiste Balleyguier wrote: Bonjour, j'ai voulu installer une vraie debian après avoir passé un petit moment sur une kubuntu (j'en avais un peu assez du système sudo par défaut). Cela dit, j'appréciais bien l'aspect derniers paquets très vite disponibles de ubuntu. Alors je me sui dit : testing. Le problème c'est que malgré un apt-get update puis dist-upgrade je reste un kernel 2.4 (c'est pas un 2.6 dans la testing ??). Pour connaître les noyaux 2.6 disponibles : COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6* Ensuite, apt-get install celui que tu veux. Il faudra peut-être configurer aussi lilo ou grub ou ... ? En plus, j'ai voulu installer xorg. L'installation se passe pas trop mal (je crois que c'est un 6.9..en principe si j'ai bien vu), mais lorsque je lance X et le PC freeze et je suis obligé de relancer le pc à la barbare...je n'ai pas non plus de xorgcfg ni d'option xorg -config. Donc je suis un peu perdu, je ne sais pas trop quoi installer pour que ça marche... Est-ce que quelqu'un peu m'aider ?? Pour l'instant je suis en ligne de commande et je ne peux pas faire grand chose...help ! Essaie dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Bon courage. -- Pierre Meurisse -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
Hallo Evgeni, Evgeni Golov schrieb: in /etc/default/bootlogd aktivieren und unter /var/log/boot lesen ;-) hab ich geändert, aber eine /var/log/boot gibt es nicht (auch nach Neustart nicht ;-)) PS: dein Reply-To ist Unfug ;-) Hab ich repariert... -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
Andreas Pakulat schrieb: Ja, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 installiert dir einen 2.6er Kernel und legt einen Eintrag in deinem Bootmanager an (vmtl. grub). Falls der neue Kernel nicht gleich funktioniert bleibt der Eintrag für den alten erhalten und du kannst diesen weiterhin booten. welchen kernel würdest du den empfehlen? apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 gibt mir mehrere Kernel aus. Ich würde mal so auf den 2.6.8-2-386 (2.6.8-16sarge1) tippen ... Bin mir aber mal wieder nicht sicher... Im übrigen mach ich das jetzt mal mit 'nem Update und werde dann berichten. Norbert P.S. Sorry Andreas, für PM... Ist mir eben erst aufgefallen... -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
* Christoph Bier (2006-03-22): Andre Berger schrieb am 22.03.2006 17:50: * Andreas Pakulat (2006-03-22): [...] einen neuen Kernel auch installieren _ohne_ das System dabei platt zu machen. Und dabei ist auch alles clean. Wenn das bei Sarge bei einem so grossen Wechsel klappt, schoen; bei diversen frueheren Versionen war in vergleichbaren Faellen immer irgendwo Handarbeit angesagt. [...] Kannst du da konkreter werden? Ich kann mich seit mindestens Hamm an keinerlei Probleme beim Kernel-Update erinnern, obwohl ich schon sehr früh auf Vanilla-Kernel umgestiegen bin. Das heißt apt hat mir noch nicht mal das Auflösen von Abhängigkeiten abgenommen (2.4 - 2.6: module-init-tools, mkinitrd). -- Nein, für ein Kernel-Update würde ich keine Neuinstallation empfehlen. Dann bist du laenger dabei als ich, ich bin eingestiegen kurz bevor potato eingefroren wurde, mit einem 2.0.3x-Kernel IIRC. -- Wenn ich es recht bedenke, hingen die meisten Probleme mit selbstkompilierten Kerneln oder Modul(version)en zusammen, oder mit dem jeweiligen Boot Loader (Typ LI, LIL; dem Loader fuer Mac OS, der potato auf dem PowerBook 3400 booten konnte). An ein automatisches Upgrade eines fruehen 2.2er oder 2.4er-Kernels kann ich mich erinnern, nach dem der Web Server nicht mehr bootete, aber nur dunkel, und das war wahrscheinlich unsere eigene Schuld (ungeschickte Versionsangabe beim Kompilieren). Ein Problem war damals das ploetzlich auftauchende initrd-System, aber das betraf wieder nur selbstgebaute Kernel, die wir dann spaeter endlich aufgegeben haben. Was die von mir vorgeschlagene Neuinstallieren des Systems betrifft, da bin ich etwas missverstanden worden. Die Idee war einfach, den OP mit einer relativ schwachen Maschine und disponiblen Partition mit einem funktionierenden, schlanken System auszustatten. -Andre -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
Andre Berger schrieb am 23.03.2006 10:02: * Christoph Bier (2006-03-22): Andre Berger schrieb am 22.03.2006 17:50: * Andreas Pakulat (2006-03-22): [...] einen neuen Kernel auch installieren _ohne_ das System dabei platt zu machen. Und dabei ist auch alles clean. Wenn das bei Sarge bei einem so grossen Wechsel klappt, schoen; bei diversen frueheren Versionen war in vergleichbaren Faellen immer irgendwo Handarbeit angesagt. [...] Kannst du da konkreter werden? Ich kann mich seit mindestens Hamm an keinerlei Probleme beim Kernel-Update erinnern, obwohl ich schon sehr früh auf Vanilla-Kernel umgestiegen bin. Das heißt apt hat mir noch nicht mal das Auflösen von Abhängigkeiten abgenommen (2.4 - 2.6: module-init-tools, mkinitrd). -- Nein, für ein Kernel-Update würde ich keine Neuinstallation empfehlen. Dann bist du laenger dabei als ich, ich bin eingestiegen kurz bevor potato eingefroren wurde, mit einem 2.0.3x-Kernel IIRC. -- Wenn ich es recht bedenke, hingen die meisten Probleme mit selbstkompilierten Kerneln oder Modul(version)en zusammen, oder mit dem jeweiligen Boot Loader (Typ LI, LIL; dem Loader fuer Mac OS, der potato auf dem PowerBook 3400 booten konnte). An ein automatisches Upgrade eines fruehen 2.2er oder 2.4er-Kernels kann ich mich erinnern, nach dem der Web Server nicht mehr bootete, aber nur dunkel, und das war wahrscheinlich unsere eigene Schuld (ungeschickte Versionsangabe beim Kompilieren). Ein Problem war damals das ploetzlich auftauchende initrd-System, aber das betraf wieder nur selbstgebaute Kernel, die wir dann spaeter endlich aufgegeben haben. Hm, mit PPC habe ich keine Erfahrung und es stimmt, ganz am Anfang hatte ich auch mal Probleme mit LILO bei einem /selbstgebackenen/ Kernel. Aber da kannte ich bzlilo noch nicht ... [...] Grüße, Christoph -- +++ Typografie-Regeln: http://www.zvisionwelt.de/typokurz.pdf (1.4) -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
Norbert Harz schrieb: Hallo alle, da das hier gerade Thema ist/war... Ich habe hier einen etwas betagteren Laptop (Celeron 400MHz, 192MB RAM, 20GB HDD). Auf dem läuft im AUgenblick sarge mit 'nem 2.4er Kernel. Ist es sinnvoll auf den 2.6er Kernel umzusteigen? Kann man den einfach 'updaten'? Es wäre auch kein Problem die Partition neu zu installieren... Ich hab jetzt den 2.6er Kernel installiert (also zusätzlich) und es läuft alles prima :-) Auch mein USB-Stick mountet sich jetzt allein. Mal noch 'ne Frage... Unter SuSE konnte ich mir unter /var/log/bootmsg angucken, was der Bootvorgang gemacht hat. Wo liegt das bei debian? Danke, Norbert -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:26:21 +0100 Norbert Harz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unter SuSE konnte ich mir unter /var/log/bootmsg angucken, was der Bootvorgang gemacht hat. Wo liegt das bei debian? in /etc/default/bootlogd aktivieren und unter /var/log/boot lesen ;-) HTH Evgeni PS: dein Reply-To ist Unfug ;-) -- ^^^| Evgeni -SargentD- Golov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) d(O_o)b | PGP-Key-ID: 0xAC15B50C -|- | WWW: http://www.die-welt.net ICQ: 54116744 / \| IRC: #sod @ irc.german-freakz.net Frueher nahmen wir pr0n, um die Leitung vollzumachen. Heute tun's auch KDE-updates (jjFux - IRCNet) pgp5O4cvID6ED.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
On 23.03.06 10:15:10, Norbert Harz wrote: Andreas Pakulat schrieb: Ja, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 installiert dir einen 2.6er Kernel und legt einen Eintrag in deinem Bootmanager an (vmtl. grub). Falls der neue Kernel nicht gleich funktioniert bleibt der Eintrag für den alten erhalten und du kannst diesen weiterhin booten. welchen kernel würdest du den empfehlen? apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 gibt mir mehrere Kernel aus. Ich würde mal so auf den 2.6.8-2-386 (2.6.8-16sarge1) tippen ... Bin mir aber mal wieder nicht sicher... Fürs Archiv: -386 laueft auf allen x86 Maschinen. Die jeweiligen -686, -k7 sind diesselben Kernel nur bei der Konfiguration wurde der entsprechende Prozessortype angegeben. Dadurch werden evtl. irgendwelche Optimiertungen durch den Kernel ausgenutzt, Geschwindigkeitsvorteile sollte man sichd davon aber nicht erhoffen. P.S. Sorry Andreas, für PM... Ist mir eben erst aufgefallen... Dafür kriegst du jetzt meine Antwort doppelt ;-) Andreas -- Chicken Little only has to be right once. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
Hallo alle, da das hier gerade Thema ist/war... Ich habe hier einen etwas betagteren Laptop (Celeron 400MHz, 192MB RAM, 20GB HDD). Auf dem läuft im AUgenblick sarge mit 'nem 2.4er Kernel. Ist es sinnvoll auf den 2.6er Kernel umzusteigen? Kann man den einfach 'updaten'? Es wäre auch kein Problem die Partition neu zu installieren... Und gleich noch: Was ist für den Laptop besser geeignet KDE oder GNOME? Danke mal wieder für eure Tipps, Norbert -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
Also sprach Norbert Harz [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:54:42 +0100): Hallo alle, Gruss, da das hier gerade Thema ist/war... Ich habe hier einen etwas betagteren Laptop (Celeron 400MHz, 192MB RAM, 20GB HDD). Auf dem läuft im AUgenblick sarge mit 'nem 2.4er Kernel. Ist es sinnvoll auf den 2.6er Kernel umzusteigen? Kann man den einfach 'updaten'? Es wäre auch kein Problem die Partition neu zu installieren... Gerade diverse ACPI Updates und/oder laptopspezifische Features eines 2.6 Kerns machen ihn hier empfehlenswert. Allerdings scheint pcmcia gerade etwas Baustelle zu sein: zB. fuer CF koennte etwas Arbeit auf dich zukommen. Andererseits verwende ich hier cardbus und pcmcia CF zusammen ohne irgendwelche Probleme. Und gleich noch: Was ist für den Laptop besser geeignet KDE oder GNOME? flux-, openbox, xfce. Danke mal wieder für eure Tipps, Norbert sl ritch
DE fuer Laptops (war: Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6)
Richard Mittendorfer schrieb am 22.03.2006 15:18: Also sprach Norbert Harz [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:54:42 +0100): [...] Und gleich noch: Was ist für den Laptop besser geeignet KDE oder GNOME? flux-, openbox, xfce. Da die folgende Frage ohnehin auf meiner Liste steht, eignet sie sich auch, jetzt hier gestellt zu werden: Haben die unterschiedlichen DE/WM tatsächlich einen signifikanten und praktisch relevanten Einfluss auf die Ausdauer eines Laptop-Akkus? Wenn ja, woran liegt's? Weil der Arbeitsspeicher mit weniger Strom versorgt werden muss? Ich selbst habe auf meinem Laptop Gnome und Xfce installiert und konnte da noch keinen Unterschied in der Ausdauer feststellen, den ich alleine der Desktopumgebung zuschreiben könnte. Denn ich arbeite mit dem Teil halt auch, was nicht immer zur exakt gleichen Belastung führt. Schöne Grüße, Christoph -- +++ Typografie-Regeln: http://www.zvisionwelt.de/typokurz.pdf (1.4) -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
* Norbert Harz (2006-03-22): Hallo alle, da das hier gerade Thema ist/war... Ich habe hier einen etwas betagteren Laptop (Celeron 400MHz, 192MB RAM, 20GB HDD). Auf dem läuft im AUgenblick sarge mit 'nem 2.4er Kernel. Ist es sinnvoll auf den 2.6er Kernel umzusteigen? Mit dem 2.6er und usbmount kann man USB-Massenspeicher so schoen automatisch mounten. Kann man den einfach 'updaten'? Es wäre auch kein Problem die Partition neu zu installieren... Ich persoenlich wuerde in diesem Fall /etc fuer alle Faelle sichern und das System clean mit dem 2.6er aufsetzen. Und gleich noch: Was ist für den Laptop besser geeignet KDE oder GNOME? Weder-noch, auf Grund des Ressourcenverbrauchs. Schau dir mal icewm an; andere schwoeren auf blackbox. -Andre
Re: DE fuer Laptops (war: Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6)
Also sprach Christoph Bier [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:46:56 +0100): Richard Mittendorfer schrieb am 22.03.2006 15:18: Also sprach Norbert Harz [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:54:42 +0100): [...] Und gleich noch: Was ist für den Laptop besser geeignet KDE oder GNOME? flux-, openbox, xfce. Da die folgende Frage ohnehin auf meiner Liste steht, eignet sie sich auch, jetzt hier gestellt zu werden: Haben die unterschiedlichen DE/WM tatsächlich einen signifikanten und ^^-- DesktopEnvironment? praktisch relevanten Einfluss auf die Ausdauer eines Laptop-Akkus? Wenn ja, woran liegt's? Weil der Arbeitsspeicher mit weniger Strom versorgt werden muss? Sogut wie nicht. Die CPU Leistung die durch viele Gimmicks am Desktop generiert wird ist minimal. Vielleicht 1 bis 5 %. Andererseits kann ein Idlezyklus am Prozessor nicht so lange laufen als wenn kein/kaum contextswitching/interrupts geschieht. Dynaticks zB. addressieren dieses Problem. Einerseits bringen Umgebungen wie KDE oder Gnome einige bequeme Features mit, ich bevorzuge aber immer noch einen flotten Desktop. Lieber gtk1 als 2 und wenn schon irgendwelche Ueberwachungstools, dann die SCHED_IDLEPRIO oder 19niced. Mit einem neuen CPU mit x Pferdestaerken ist das egal, aber wenn's nur Seepferdchen sind... Die meiste Akkulaufzeit sparst du dir mit throttling des Prozessors und deaktivieren ungenutzter Hardwarekomponenten (harddisk, IRDA, IEEE 802.15.1,..) und Augenscheinlichem wie etwa Bildschirmhelligkeit ein. [...] Schöne Grüße, Christoph sl ritch
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
On 22.03.06 15:21:01, Andre Berger wrote: * Norbert Harz (2006-03-22): Kann man den einfach 'updaten'? Es wäre auch kein Problem die Partition neu zu installieren... Ich persoenlich wuerde in diesem Fall /etc fuer alle Faelle sichern und das System clean mit dem 2.6er aufsetzen. Wieso dass? *Kopfschüttel* Wir sind hier nicht bei Windows, du kannst einen neuen Kernel auch installieren _ohne_ das System dabei platt zu machen. Und dabei ist auch alles clean. Andreas -- You too can wear a nose mitten. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
On 22.03.06 14:54:42, Norbert Harz wrote: da das hier gerade Thema ist/war... Ich habe hier einen etwas betagteren Laptop (Celeron 400MHz, 192MB RAM, 20GB HDD). Auf dem läuft im AUgenblick sarge mit 'nem 2.4er Kernel. Ist es sinnvoll auf den 2.6er Kernel umzusteigen? Das haben andere schon beantwortet. Kann man den einfach 'updaten'? Ja, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 installiert dir einen 2.6er Kernel und legt einen Eintrag in deinem Bootmanager an (vmtl. grub). Falls der neue Kernel nicht gleich funktioniert bleibt der Eintrag für den alten erhalten und du kannst diesen weiterhin booten. Es wäre auch kein Problem die Partition neu zu installieren... Das ist absolut unnötig. Und gleich noch: Was ist für den Laptop besser geeignet KDE oder GNOME? Wenn schon ein DE würde ich XFCE4 nehmen, allerdings nach Möglichkeit dann keine Gnome oder KDE Programme starten, weil das wieder einen Rattenschwanz an weiteren notwendigen Programmen nach sich zieht (bei KDE wird kdeinit, kbuildsycoca und andere gestartet). Andreas -- Do what comes naturally. Seethe and fume and throw a tantrum. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
* Andreas Pakulat (2006-03-22): On 22.03.06 15:21:01, Andre Berger wrote: * Norbert Harz (2006-03-22): Kann man den einfach 'updaten'? Es wäre auch kein Problem die Partition neu zu installieren... Ich persoenlich wuerde in diesem Fall /etc fuer alle Faelle sichern und das System clean mit dem 2.6er aufsetzen. Wieso dass? *Kopfschüttel* Wir sind hier nicht bei Windows, du kannst War das nicht dieses Betriebssytem, das ... einen neuen Kernel auch installieren _ohne_ das System dabei platt zu machen. Und dabei ist auch alles clean. Wenn das bei Sarge bei einem so grossen Wechsel klappt, schoen; bei diversen frueheren Versionen war in vergleichbaren Faellen immer irgendwo Handarbeit angesagt. Dem OP habe ich in der vorliegenden Situation zu einer sauberen Installation geraten, da er die bisherige ja fuer verzichtbar erklaert hat und der Installer alles schmerzfrei fuer ihn konfiguriert. -Andre -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
Also sprach Andre Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:50:23 +0100): * Andreas Pakulat (2006-03-22): [...] einen neuen Kernel auch installieren _ohne_ das System dabei platt zu machen. Und dabei ist auch alles clean. Wenn das bei Sarge bei einem so grossen Wechsel klappt, schoen; bei diversen frueheren Versionen war in vergleichbaren Faellen immer irgendwo Handarbeit angesagt. Dem OP habe ich in der vorliegenden Ein neuer vmlinuz hat nur wenig mit dem darunterliegenden GNU zu tun. Wenn der Norbert nicht wasweisich am System herumgeschraubt hat und die notwendigen (und in Debian sowieso abhaengigen) Pakete installiert hat, ist _nix_ zu machen. Er koennte sich hoechstens ueberlegen nun udev bzw. hotplug einzusetzen. Wobei es nat. bei jedem neu installierten Paket zu Problemen kommen kann, die aber wohl auch kein Drueberbuegeln rechtfertigen. Im Normalfall geht's in die eine wie in die andere Richtung problemlos. Tested. Ein Reboot scheint hierbei _ausnahmsweise_ angebracht. ;-) Situation zu einer sauberen Installation geraten, da er die bisherige ja fuer verzichtbar erklaert hat und der Installer alles schmerzfrei fuer ihn konfiguriert. Das macht dpkg/apt genauso. Und alle installierten Anwendungen die der Wechsel betrifft haben Tests die die Version des verwendeten Kernels ermitteln und demgemaess arbeiten (Es sind keine handvoll). Ich schliesse mich da an und wuerde wegen eines Versionsupdates des Kernels wirklich nicht zu einer Neuinstallation raten. -Andre sl ritch -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
On 22.03.06 17:50:23, Andre Berger wrote: * Andreas Pakulat (2006-03-22): On 22.03.06 15:21:01, Andre Berger wrote: * Norbert Harz (2006-03-22): Kann man den einfach 'updaten'? Es wäre auch kein Problem die Partition neu zu installieren... Ich persoenlich wuerde in diesem Fall /etc fuer alle Faelle sichern und das System clean mit dem 2.6er aufsetzen. einen neuen Kernel auch installieren _ohne_ das System dabei platt zu machen. Und dabei ist auch alles clean. Wenn das bei Sarge bei einem so grossen Wechsel klappt, schoen; bei diversen frueheren Versionen war in vergleichbaren Faellen immer irgendwo Handarbeit angesagt. Da kann ich nix zu besteuern, als ich zu Linux kam installierte sich woody bei Bedarf schon mit 2.4er Kernel (oder sogar schon als Default)... Jedenfalls ist das wechseln der Kernel-Major-Version kein Problem bwi 2.4-2.6. Erst Recht nicht wenn man ein debianisiertes Kernelimage nutzt, weil dieses dann auch gleich die notwendigen module-init-tools mitzieht und u.U. die notwendigen initrd-tools. Dem OP habe ich in der vorliegenden Situation zu einer sauberen Installation geraten, da er die bisherige ja fuer verzichtbar erklaert hat und der Installer alles schmerzfrei fuer ihn konfiguriert. Ich kann auch schmerzfrei neu installieren, das ist aber noch lange kein Grund dies zu tun. Das kostet den OP nur voellig unnoetig Zeit und ist wirklich absolut sinnfrei. Und was das konfigurieren angeht: Der Debian-Installer konfiguriert _nichts_ was mit dem Kernel zu tun hat und ist demzufolge an der Stelle absolut kein Argument. Auch alle anderen Sachen die der Installer konfiguriert kann man später genausogut einstellen/ändern. Prinzipiell kannst du sogar die D-I Oberfläche aufrufen, wenn ich mich nicht irre. Andreas -- You may worry about your hair-do today, but tomorrow much peanut butter will be sold. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Kernel 2.4 oder 2.6
Andre Berger schrieb am 22.03.2006 17:50: * Andreas Pakulat (2006-03-22): [...] einen neuen Kernel auch installieren _ohne_ das System dabei platt zu machen. Und dabei ist auch alles clean. Wenn das bei Sarge bei einem so grossen Wechsel klappt, schoen; bei diversen frueheren Versionen war in vergleichbaren Faellen immer irgendwo Handarbeit angesagt. [...] Kannst du da konkreter werden? Ich kann mich seit mindestens Hamm an keinerlei Probleme beim Kernel-Update erinnern, obwohl ich schon sehr früh auf Vanilla-Kernel umgestiegen bin. Das heißt apt hat mir noch nicht mal das Auflösen von Abhängigkeiten abgenommen (2.4 - 2.6: module-init-tools, mkinitrd). -- Nein, für ein Kernel-Update würde ich keine Neuinstallation empfehlen. Grüße, Christoph -- +++ Typografie-Regeln: http://www.zvisionwelt.de/typokurz.pdf (1.4) -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
1 GB ram em kernel 2.4
Olá Instalei um 1GB de RAM em um servidor com Debian 3.1, com o kernel nativo 2.4.27-2-386. O computador reconheceu 1GB mas se executo o free -m ele só acha 884 MB. Isso é alguma limitação do kernel? Tem algum jeito de ativar o suporte nesta versão, ou vou ter que atualizar? Se tiver ele vai reconhecer nativamente ou vou ter que modificar alguma conf. Se tiver onde tenho que modificar? Obrigado Pedro ___ Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! http://br.acesso.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1 GB ram em kernel 2.4
Precisa ativar HIGHMEM no kernel.
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Re: 1 GB ram em kernel 2.4
Você ja instalou o modulo Discovery Vai no apt-get ou no synaptic e instala ele toda vez que você reiniciar a maquina ele vai verificar se houve alteração de hardware e assim atualizar, caso contrario acho pouco provavel esse kernel ter esse tipo de limitação!!! Abraço, att Leandro Miranda Em 15/03/06, Pedro - Debian [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: OláInstalei um 1GB de RAM em um servidor com Debian 3.1, com o kernelnativo 2.4.27-2-386. O computador reconheceu 1GB mas se executo o free -m ele só acha 884 MB.Isso é alguma limitação do kernel? Tem algum jeito de ativar o suportenesta versão, ou vou ter que atualizar? Se tiver ele vai reconhecernativamente ou vou ter que modificar alguma conf. Se tiver onde tenho que modificar?ObrigadoPedro___Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! http://br.acesso.yahoo.com--To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1 GB ram em kernel 2.4
Em 15/03/06, Pedro - Debian[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Olá Instalei um 1GB de RAM em um servidor com Debian 3.1, com o kernel nativo 2.4.27-2-386. O computador reconheceu 1GB mas se executo o free -m ele só acha 884 MB. Isso é alguma limitação do kernel? Tem algum jeito de ativar o suporte nesta versão, ou vou ter que atualizar? Se tiver ele vai reconhecer nativamente ou vou ter que modificar alguma conf. Se tiver onde tenho que modificar? è necessário um kernel com a opção HIGHMEM habilitada. Você tem de compilar ou colocar um pacote com suporte a isso. Dizem (nunca testei) que os pacotes de kernels SMP (multi-processados) já vem com HIGHMEM habilitado por padrão. Obrigado Pedro ___ Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! http://br.acesso.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Abraços, Fabiano
Re: 1 GB ram em kernel 2.4
Não posso confirmar se os kernels com SMP têm HIGHMEM, mas não dvem
ser utilizados em máquinas monoprocessadas, afeta drasticamente o
desempenho.
Quanto ao discovery, neste caso não tem relação alguma pois é um
recurso do kernel desabilitado e não a instalação de um dispositivo
(que poderia ser feita manualmente sem o uso de mais um daemon para
deixar o sistema mais lento)
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Re: 1 GB ram em kernel 2.4 - qual o caminho para ativar?
Pode me passar o caminho para onde preciso ir para ativar este recurso?
Fica em Processor Type and Features, o nome é High Memory Support,
como tens 1 GB de RAM habilite o suporte à até 4GB (são 3 opções: off,
4GB e 64GB)
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Re: 1 GB ram em kernel 2.4
Olá, On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 12:24:30PM -0300, Maxwillian Miorim wrote: Não posso confirmar se os kernels com SMP têm HIGHMEM, mas não dvem ser utilizados em máquinas monoprocessadas, afeta drasticamente o desempenho. Confirmo que os kernels -smp do Debian vem com suporte a HIGHMEM habilitado. Sempre os utilizei quando precisei de suporte a grandes quantidades de memória. Porém, não posso confirmar que os mesmos degradam a performance porque sempre que os utilizei foi em máquinas com grandes quantidades de memória (1GB ou mais), mas que possuíam também mais de um processador. Infelizmente, minha pobre máquina pessoal, que possui apenas um único processador, só possui 256MB de memória e, portanto, não tenho como testar isso por aqui. Quanto ao discovery, neste caso não tem relação alguma pois é um recurso do kernel desabilitado e não a instalação de um dispositivo (que poderia ser feita manualmente sem o uso de mais um daemon para deixar o sistema mais lento) Sim, não teria relação alguma, já que o suporte a HIGHMEM é algo que deve ser habilitado na configuração do kernel. Não creio nem que seja possível, por exemplo, compilar o suporte a HIGHMEM como um módulo : ou é compilado como built-in (Y) ou não habilitado. Ah ! E o nome do serviço é discover e não discovery :-) (Sei que não foi você quem escreveu o nome errado incialmente, sé estou comentando). -- ++--++ || André Luís Lopes [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| || http://people.debian.org/~andrelop || || Debian-BR Projecthttp://www.debian-br.org || || Public GPG KeyID 9D1B82F6 || signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Kernel 2.4.x ou 2.6.x?
Olá Senhores, por gentileza, quem tem mais experiência, devo utilizar o kernel 2.4 ou 2.6, durante a instalação (linux, linux26)? Atenciosamente, Witalo Diego M. NunesCel: (81) 9176-0782Skype: witalodiegoMSN: diegununes
