Re: Marking as spam
On 2024-04-18 at 11:53, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On 18/04/2024 12:43, Hans wrote: > >> But the "Sorry" mail I did send without the spam tag. However, I >> get it WITH the spamtag, as all mails get the DCIM=false tag in the >> header (created by the debian servers) and megamailservers.eu add >> the SPAM tag. > > Or you could use a less shitty mail service, because failed DKIM (I > assume that's what you mean by DCIM=false) does not mean that an > email is a spam. Good luck convincing a provider which has decided to do this of that. > Conversely, I see a lot of spams that have a valid DKIM signature. > > Moreover, I don't think the Debian list servers validate DKIM. It's > probably your host that is doing so. > > And finally, your own mails fail DKIM, so for a mail server that > seems to give so much importance to DKIM, they could at least set it > up right. My understanding, based I think in part on past conversations, was/is that changes which are often made to messages automatically by mailing-list software as part of forwarding them through to the list members have the side effect of causing DKIM checks to fail (at least with some DKIM-validating configurations, I'm not sure about all). If that is correct, then not only would that likely be the reason for Hans' mail provider seeing DKIM validation failing for all mails from debian-user, it would also mean that mails from Hans would probably fail DKIM validation for those who receive them through debian-user - without meaning that his mail provider is necessarily doing DKIM wrong, at least on the sending end. A way to check that might be to have Hans send a mail to someone both via the list and not, or (if that gets filtered out by some relevant software as being a duplicate) send two mails, one via the list and the other not. If the one via the list has the header flag for failed DKIM, and the other doesn't, that would seem to narrow down the possibilities. (I am not volunteering for this.) On the other hand, if my understanding is *not* correct, then none of that applies. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Marking as spam
On 18/04/2024 12:43, Hans wrote: But the "Sorry" mail I did send without the spam tag. However, I get it WITH the spamtag, as all mails get the DCIM=false tag in the header (created by the debian servers) and megamailservers.eu add the SPAM tag. Or you could use a less shitty mail service, because failed DKIM (I assume that's what you mean by DCIM=false) does not mean that an email is a spam. Conversely, I see a lot of spams that have a valid DKIM signature. Moreover, I don't think the Debian list servers validate DKIM. It's probably your host that is doing so. And finally, your own mails fail DKIM, so for a mail server that seems to give so much importance to DKIM, they could at least set it up right. -- Nothing can be done in one trip. -- Snider Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam
Am Donnerstag, 18. April 2024, 17:21:41 CEST schrieb rtnetz...@windstream.net: To make clear: The first time I replied, I forgot to remove the spam tag. But the "Sorry" mail I did send without the spam tag. However, I get it WITH the spamtag, as all mails get the DCIM=false tag in the header (created by the debian servers) and megamailservers.eu add the SPAM tag. Those, who receive their mails on another way, are not affected, but I am. Thus, I get some mails from the debian list with SPAM tag and some without, depending how I received it. I can not fix this (as already described in another thread on this list here), so I had to create a whitelist rule in my spamrules. However, yes, you can expect from me, that I remove the SPAM tag, when I reply of mails. If I reply, I am not sure, if the spam tag is recreated, whilst the DCIM=false tag might be kept in the reply mails (did not examine this). Of course, I will watch to remove the spam tag when replying in the future. Promised! Best Hans > As I understand what he wrote, the SPAM tag is added after the message > leaves his control. > > - Original Message - > From: "Nicolas George" > To: "debian-user" > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 11:13:44 AM > Subject: Re: *SPAM* Marking as spam [was: *SPAM* Re: > LibreOffice removed from Debian] > Hans (12024-04-18): > > As I can not fix it > > You can manually remove “*SPAM*” from the mail when you reply. > > You could even automate it on your end.
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian]
rtnetz...@windstream.net (12024-04-18): > As I understand what he wrote, the SPAM tag is added after the message leaves > his control. I very much doubt it, we would see “*SPAM* Re:” rather than “Re: *SPAM*”. And his recent “Sorry” mail was not tagged. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/04/msg00294.html Regards, -- Nicolas George
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian]
As I understand what he wrote, the SPAM tag is added after the message leaves his control. - Original Message - From: "Nicolas George" To: "debian-user" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 11:13:44 AM Subject: Re: *****SPAM* Marking as spam [was: *SPAM* Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] Hans (12024-04-18): > As I can not fix it You can manually remove “*SPAM*” from the mail when you reply. You could even automate it on your end. -- Nicolas George -- Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian]
Hans (12024-04-18): > As I can not fix it You can manually remove “*SPAM*” from the mail when you reply. You could even automate it on your end. -- Nicolas George
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian]
Am Donnerstag, 18. April 2024, 11:53:38 CEST schrieb to...@tuxteam.de: Hi Tomas, this is by debian servers, I talked about this for a while. Because the debian servers mark some things in the header, megamailservers.eu mark them as spam and add SPAM to the headline. As I can not fix it and debian admins will also not do, and I just answered to the debian mail, you see the spam mark in the headline. I am no motre thinking of it, because everything was said in another theread in this list. For myself I made a rule in spamassassin, that mails from debian are whitelisted, although they are marked as spam and although they are appearing with SPA in the headline - as I know, they are NO spam! Hope, this explains it. Best Hans > Hi, Hans > > is it your mail setup adding that *SPAM* decoration to the > subject? > > Just curious... > > cheers
Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian]
Hi, Hans is it your mail setup adding that *SPAM* decoration to the subject? Just curious... cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
