Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-09-21 Thread Joel Rees 
2015/01/26 4:28 "Bob Holtzman" :
>
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 02:09:49PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 January 2015 13:50:32 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:03:18PM +0200, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:
> > > > Two features that I looked for in my Thinkpad were that the screen
is
> > > > matte (not shiny/glossy), and opens up to 180 degrees.  I like to
lay it
> > > > upside down on the edge of the desk, with the screen sticking out,
and
> > > > I lie on the floor underneath it, with a usb keyboard on my belly.
:)
> > >
> > > That sounds like an esoteric requirement which I'm guessing wouldn't
> > > interest the average buyer.
> >
> > I should have thought that a matte screen would interest quite a few
people.
>
> I think he's talking about laying on the floor. Of interest only after a
> hard night's partying.

or, perhaps, to some who are under doctor's orders not to spend long
periods of time sitting, etc.

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Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-25 Thread Bob Holtzman 
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 02:09:49PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Sunday 25 January 2015 13:50:32 Chris Bannister wrote:
  On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:03:18PM +0200, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:
   Two features that I looked for in my Thinkpad were that the screen is
   matte (not shiny/glossy), and opens up to 180 degrees.  I like to lay it
   upside down on the edge of the desk, with the screen sticking out,  and
   I lie on the floor underneath it, with a usb keyboard on my belly. :)
 
  That sounds like an esoteric requirement which I'm guessing wouldn't
  interest the average buyer.
 
 I should have thought that a matte screen would interest quite a few people.

I think he's talking about laying on the floor. Of interest only after a
hard night's partying.

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Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-25 Thread Chris Bannister 
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:03:18PM +0200, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:
 Two features that I looked for in my Thinkpad were that the screen is 
 matte (not shiny/glossy), and opens up to 180 degrees.  I like to lay it 
 upside down on the edge of the desk, with the screen sticking out,  and 
 I lie on the floor underneath it, with a usb keyboard on my belly. :)  

That sounds like an esoteric requirement which I'm guessing wouldn't
interest the average buyer.

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Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-25 Thread Lisi Reisz 
On Sunday 25 January 2015 13:50:32 Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:03:18PM +0200, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:
  Two features that I looked for in my Thinkpad were that the screen is
  matte (not shiny/glossy), and opens up to 180 degrees.  I like to lay it
  upside down on the edge of the desk, with the screen sticking out,  and
  I lie on the floor underneath it, with a usb keyboard on my belly. :)

 That sounds like an esoteric requirement which I'm guessing wouldn't
 interest the average buyer.

I should have thought that a matte screen would interest quite a few people.

Lisi


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Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-24 Thread Patrick Bartek 
On Sat, 24 Jan 2015, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 05:54:17PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
  On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:
  
   I also got a second-hand Thinkpad last month, a T400, and I love
   it too. I think it's from 2009 or 2010.
   
   Mine has an Intel core 2 duo CPU (P8400  @ 2.26GHz) and 4GB ram,
   but a slightly slower CPU and 2GB of ram would also be fine for
   web browsing and office stuff.  However, I don't know how much
   memory freemind or other electronic design software uses, so I
   would recommend getting 4GB if you can.  (The T400 is upgradable
   to 8GB. You might want to check the maximum memory capacity on
   laptops you're considering.)
   
   (BTW, for office and the web, even 1GB might work but it may be a 
   little tight.  Myolder laptop had 1GB ram and it didn't run out
   of memory often --- only when I had very many tabs open --- but
   the single-core Amd athlon xp 2200 @ 1.6GHz was slow.  It was
   from 2004.)
 
 I agree with your comments below, about the desktop environment
 affecting how much ram is needed.  I should have mentioned that what
 I wrote above was based on using MATE.

I wasn't finding fault with your recommendations, just clarifying based
on my experiences.  Better to have more info than you need than not
enough. ;-)  While I agree that MATE is a lighter weight environment
than the current GNOME, and probably GNOME2, too, it still is heavier
than XFCE, LXDE or a window manager.

Really, I've discovered through fooling around with TinyX, X is a
RAM hog, too, reardless of GUI.  But what are you going to do?  TinyX
really isn't suitable as a general X server.  Even recompiling X
doesn't help much.  It's just the nature of the beast.  Fortunately, RAM
is cheap.  


 
  How much RAM is sufficient depends more on the desktop GUI.  For
  GNOME and KDE, I recommend 4GB at least.  The system I'm using now
  has gone through multiple upgrades (hardware and OSes) since I
  built it in 2007 with a 2.0GHZ 64-bit single-core AMD CPU  2 GB
  RAM running Fedora 6, first 32-bit, then 64, and GNOME2.  Even with
  just a browser, file manager, and a few applets running, it could
  be sluggish at times, particularly when accessing the menus.
  Upgrading to 4GB RAM solved all that.
  
  However, if using XFCE or LXDE or just a window manager, 1 or 2 GB
  RAM would be fine.

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Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-24 Thread Selim T . Erdoğan 
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 05:54:17PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
 On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:
 
  I also got a second-hand Thinkpad last month, a T400, and I love it
  too. I think it's from 2009 or 2010.
  
  Mine has an Intel core 2 duo CPU (P8400  @ 2.26GHz) and 4GB ram, but
  a slightly slower CPU and 2GB of ram would also be fine for web
  browsing and office stuff.  However, I don't know how much memory
  freemind or other electronic design software uses, so I would
  recommend getting 4GB if you can.  (The T400 is upgradable to 8GB.
  You might want to check the maximum memory capacity on laptops you're
  considering.)
  
  (BTW, for office and the web, even 1GB might work but it may be a 
  little tight.  Myolder laptop had 1GB ram and it didn't run out of 
  memory often --- only when I had very many tabs open --- but the 
  single-core Amd athlon xp 2200 @ 1.6GHz was slow.  It was from 2004.)

I agree with your comments below, about the desktop environment affecting
how much ram is needed.  I should have mentioned that what I wrote above
was based on using MATE.

 How much RAM is sufficient depends more on the desktop GUI.  For GNOME
 and KDE, I recommend 4GB at least.  The system I'm using now has gone
 through multiple upgrades (hardware and OSes) since I built it in 2007
 with a 2.0GHZ 64-bit single-core AMD CPU  2 GB RAM running Fedora 6,
 first 32-bit, then 64, and GNOME2.  Even with just a browser, file
 manager, and a few applets running, it could be sluggish at times,
 particularly when accessing the menus. Upgrading to 4GB RAM solved all
 that.
 
 However, if using XFCE or LXDE or just a window manager, 1 or 2 GB RAM
 would be fine.


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Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-23 Thread Selim T . Erdoğan 
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:19:02AM -0500, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
 On 1/22/15, Jarle Aase j...@jgaa.com wrote:
 
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  If you look for an older laptop, Lenovo ThinkPad may be a good choise.
  The 12 models are relatively portable, and the build quality is
  fabulous. I've had my old X60T for about 9 years now, and it's still in
  daily use. I have changed the disk a few times, the fan once and the
  battery twice.
 
  Unfortunately, Lenovo does not support Linux as an option for the
  ThinkPad series. But all models I have came across works well with
  Debian and other distributions.  (Watch out for the cheaper ThinkPade
  Edge series - I have some really bad experiences with some of those).
 
 
 Mine's Lenovo ThinkPad T61 secondhand. 15 (give or take). Have had it
 about a year and a half. I LOVE IT..

I also got a second-hand Thinkpad last month, a T400, and I love it too.
I think it's from 2009 or 2010.

Mine has an Intel core 2 duo CPU (P8400  @ 2.26GHz) and 4GB ram, but a 
slightly slower CPU and 2GB of ram would also be fine for web browsing 
and office stuff.  However, I don't know how much memory freemind or 
other electronic design software uses, so I would recommend getting 4GB 
if you can.  (The T400 is upgradable to 8GB.  You might want to check 
the maximum memory capacity on laptops you're considering.)

(BTW, for office and the web, even 1GB might work but it may be a 
little tight.  Myolder laptop had 1GB ram and it didn't run out of 
memory often --- only when I had very many tabs open --- but the 
single-core Amd athlon xp 2200 @ 1.6GHz was slow.  It was from 2004.)

The hdd that came with the T400 seemed pretty fast (7200rpm) but I had 
an ssd in another laptop (not the one from 2004) running Debian that I 
just stuck into this and it worked.  If you can get an ssd, I really 
recommend it because they're really really fast.  My Kingston ssd with 
120GB has worked fine for the past two-and-a-half years.

Two features that I looked for in my Thinkpad were that the screen is 
matte (not shiny/glossy), and opens up to 180 degrees.  I like to lay it 
upside down on the edge of the desk, with the screen sticking out,  and 
I lie on the floor underneath it, with a usb keyboard on my belly. :)  
(My usb keyboard is also a thinkpad keyboard so it has a trackpoint and 
I don't need a mouse.)


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Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-23 Thread Patrick Bartek 
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:19:02AM -0500, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
  On 1/22/15, Jarle Aase j...@jgaa.com wrote:
  
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   If you look for an older laptop, Lenovo ThinkPad may be a good
   choise. The 12 models are relatively portable, and the build
   quality is fabulous. I've had my old X60T for about 9 years now,
   and it's still in daily use. I have changed the disk a few times,
   the fan once and the battery twice.
  
   Unfortunately, Lenovo does not support Linux as an option for the
   ThinkPad series. But all models I have came across works well with
   Debian and other distributions.  (Watch out for the cheaper
   ThinkPade Edge series - I have some really bad experiences with
   some of those).
  
  
  Mine's Lenovo ThinkPad T61 secondhand. 15 (give or take). Have had
  it about a year and a half. I LOVE IT..
 
 I also got a second-hand Thinkpad last month, a T400, and I love it
 too. I think it's from 2009 or 2010.
 
 Mine has an Intel core 2 duo CPU (P8400  @ 2.26GHz) and 4GB ram, but
 a slightly slower CPU and 2GB of ram would also be fine for web
 browsing and office stuff.  However, I don't know how much memory
 freemind or other electronic design software uses, so I would
 recommend getting 4GB if you can.  (The T400 is upgradable to 8GB.
 You might want to check the maximum memory capacity on laptops you're
 considering.)
 
 (BTW, for office and the web, even 1GB might work but it may be a 
 little tight.  Myolder laptop had 1GB ram and it didn't run out of 
 memory often --- only when I had very many tabs open --- but the 
 single-core Amd athlon xp 2200 @ 1.6GHz was slow.  It was from 2004.)

How much RAM is sufficient depends more on the desktop GUI.  For GNOME
and KDE, I recommend 4GB at least.  The system I'm using now has gone
through multiple upgrades (hardware and OSes) since I built it in 2007
with a 2.0GHZ 64-bit single-core AMD CPU  2 GB RAM running Fedora 6,
first 32-bit, then 64, and GNOME2.  Even with just a browser, file
manager, and a few applets running, it could be sluggish at times,
particularly when accessing the menus. Upgrading to 4GB RAM solved all
that.

However, if using XFCE or LXDE or just a window manager, 1 or 2 GB RAM
would be fine.

B


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Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-22 Thread Mihamina RAKOTOMANDIMBY 


On 01/22/2015 09:22 PM, Alex PADOLY wrote:

- OpenOffice


At least 1GB RAM and medium speed HDD (not 5400rpm but )


- Navigation(browsing) intenet, files transfert ftp,



Depends on the website you browse: some have heavy Javascripts...


- Use of vlc for listen mp3 files and to watch occasionally a movies


1GB RAM


- Electronic use of simulation softwares (geda, kicad, Xcircuit)


No idea


- Use freemind


No idea
Finally Do you know models of professionnal laptop computer of 2007, 
2008,2009 and 2010 year. I kook for a laptop computer of which the 
sale price began from 2000 Euros.


Something like this
http://www.materiel.net/ordinateur-portable/msi-cr61-2m-287xfr-104012.html
You'll have full satisfaction if you replace the HDD with a SSD.

My wife has an Atom netbook with 2GB RAM where I replaced the HDD with 
an SSD but man... it just rocks.

Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-22 Thread Jarle Aase 

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Hi Alex,

If you look for an older laptop, Lenovo ThinkPad may be a good choise.
The 12 models are relatively portable, and the build quality is
fabulous. I've had my old X60T for about 9 years now, and it's still in
daily use. I have changed the disk a few times, the fan once and the
battery twice.

Unfortunately, Lenovo does not support Linux as an option for the
ThinkPad series. But all models I have came across works well with
Debian and other distributions.  (Watch out for the cheaper ThinkPade
Edge series - I have some really bad experiences with some of those).

Jarle

On 01/22/2015 08:22 PM, Alex PADOLY wrote:
  

 Good evening to all,

 Which is according to you the configuration
 minimal to run the current distribution Debian ( stable version) on a
 laptop computer intended mainly for the following activities:

 -
 OpenOffice

 - Navigation(browsing) intenet, files transfert ftp,

 - Use
 of vlc for listen mp3 files and to watch occasionally a movies

 -
 Electronic use of simulation softwares (geda, kicad, Xcircuit)

 - Use
 freemind

 Finally Do you know models of professionnal laptop computer of
 2007, 2008,2009 and 2010 year. I kook for a laptop computer of which the
 sale price began from 2000 Euros.

 Thank you very much!
 


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Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-22 Thread Patrick Bartek 
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Alex PADOLY wrote:

  
 
 Good evening to all,
 
 Which is according to you the configuration
 minimal to run the current distribution Debian ( stable version) on a
 laptop computer intended mainly for the following activities:
 
 -
 OpenOffice
 
 - Navigation(browsing) intenet, files transfert ftp,
 
 - Use
 of vlc for listen mp3 files and to watch occasionally a movies
 
 -
 Electronic use of simulation softwares (geda, kicad, Xcircuit)
 
 - Use
 freemind
 
 Finally Do you know models of professionnal laptop computer of
 2007, 2008,2009 and 2010 year. I kook for a laptop computer of which
 the sale price began from 2000 Euros.

I put a stock install of Debian Wheezy (32-bit) LXDE desktop on a
circa 2008 or 9 Asus EeePC 900 (1.0GHz Celeron M, 1 GB DDR2 RAM, 2 Flash
Drives: the 4GB one for /; the 16GB for /home and swap).  Only problem
was I had to manually configure the system to Sleep when I closed the
lid.  Otherwise, everything else worked out-of-the-box. Runs great.
Still in use.

So, use the above as baseline for your purchase.  Pretty minimal system.
Actually, it initially had 512MB RAM.  Everything worked, but not always
smoothly.  The system hit the swap sometimes, but not frequently, and
not a lot. I upgraded it to 1GB and that evened everything out. Swap now
rarely used.


B


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Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-22 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey 
On 1/22/15, Jarle Aase j...@jgaa.com wrote:

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 If you look for an older laptop, Lenovo ThinkPad may be a good choise.
 The 12 models are relatively portable, and the build quality is
 fabulous. I've had my old X60T for about 9 years now, and it's still in
 daily use. I have changed the disk a few times, the fan once and the
 battery twice.

 Unfortunately, Lenovo does not support Linux as an option for the
 ThinkPad series. But all models I have came across works well with
 Debian and other distributions.  (Watch out for the cheaper ThinkPade
 Edge series - I have some really bad experiences with some of those).


Mine's Lenovo ThinkPad T61 secondhand. 15 (give or take). Have had it
about a year and a half. I LOVE IT..

Dogs sent it for a tumble again last night. Fairly soft landing but
still. Dogs apparently shook loose some errant wild bird seed so some
keys crunch when you click them, otherwise all else is well. It's
happened a few times now, *oops*, but this ThinkPad AND hard drive
sure keeps on ticking. :)

~90GB partition with personal files stored elsewhere, 2GB memory.

Extremely minimal Debian. I debootstrapped Jessie then added Xfce,
Xfce Goodies, Libreoffice, GIMP, Inkscape, Openshot, xine, and a
*small* selection of various other *small* programs, mainly tool type
programs as the need arises.

Fan runs so little, I forget that it was a HUGE problem with a variety
of other distros until this new setup. Pretty much only Openshot movie
editor that gets the fan kicked on these days.

LOVE IT.. :)

FYI, there's also a Debian laptop list if you're interested in it in
addition to Debian-User:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/

Good luck.. :)

Cindy :)

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Minimal configuration for a laptop

2015-01-22 Thread Alex PADOLY 
 

Good evening to all,

Which is according to you the configuration
minimal to run the current distribution Debian ( stable version) on a
laptop computer intended mainly for the following activities:

-
OpenOffice

- Navigation(browsing) intenet, files transfert ftp,

- Use
of vlc for listen mp3 files and to watch occasionally a movies

-
Electronic use of simulation softwares (geda, kicad, Xcircuit)

- Use
freemind

Finally Do you know models of professionnal laptop computer of
2007, 2008,2009 and 2010 year. I kook for a laptop computer of which the
sale price began from 2000 Euros.

Thank you very much!