Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:20:33 -0600 Ralph Katz wrote: > On 07/30/2017 08:29 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > ... > > I'll reread the s option with new insight. But I really prefer the > > monitor being powered down instead of using a screensaver, since my > > system runs 24/7 and it's in my bedroom. A 24" monitor makes an > > awfully bright nightlight. ;-) > > I used to use one of these: > xset -display :0.0 dpms force suspend > xset -display :0.0 dpms force off > > Now I use xfce power manager from the gui. Thanks for the additional xset info. I haven't fully explored all its options. Just set it up 4 years or so ago to power off the monitor, and never changed it. I abandoned the desktop environment about 5 years ago. A window manager, a single panel with menus, etc. is all I need. B
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:51:51 -0400 Ric Moore wrote: > On 07/30/2017 10:29 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > I'll reread the s option with new insight. But I really prefer the > > monitor being powered down instead of using a screensaver, since my > > system runs 24/7 and it's in my bedroom. A 24" monitor makes an > > awfully bright nightlight. ;-) > > VLC will kill the xscreensaver. Ric Thanks. Good to know. B
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On 07/30/2017 08:29 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: ... > I'll reread the s option with new insight. But I really prefer the > monitor being powered down instead of using a screensaver, since my > system runs 24/7 and it's in my bedroom. A 24" monitor makes an awfully > bright nightlight. ;-) I used to use one of these: xset -display :0.0 dpms force suspend xset -display :0.0 dpms force off Now I use xfce power manager from the gui. Good luck! Ralph signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On 07/30/2017 10:29 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: I'll reread the s option with new insight. But I really prefer the monitor being powered down instead of using a screensaver, since my system runs 24/7 and it's in my bedroom. A 24" monitor makes an awfully bright nightlight. ;-) VLC will kill the xscreensaver. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 19:49:46 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Sat 29 Jul 2017 at 07:57:49 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 22:08:41 -0500 David Wright > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu 27 Jul 2017 at 14:18:47 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:35:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Or do what I did: dispense with a screensaver entirely. > > > > > > Haven't used one in years. Waste of CPU cycles. Besides > > > > > > modern computer screens don't even need them anymore. They > > > > > > aren't prone to image burning like tube-type monitors > > > > > > were. I just use xset or a power management utility, if > > > > > > installed, to "sleep" the monitor display after a set time > > > > > > of system idleness. Works great. > > > > > > […] > > > > > > > I lock my screen manually, too. Much of my work involves > > > > studying what's on the screen without any input. It's an > > > > annoyance when it "blanks" and I have to log back in disrupting > > > > my train of thought. > > > > > > As you use xset, can't you just define a key to set a really long > > > timeout like xset dpms 9000 9000 9000 ; xset s 9000 9000 > > > to prevent it blanking? (And one to revert if you feel the need.) > > > > I set xset for 20 minutes . . . 12000. > > (That's 200 minutes.) Sorry. Typo. 1200, not 12000. > > Works well 98% of the > > time. Never looked at the s option. > > That could be your problem then. What I meant was that 20 minutes before the monitor is powered down by xset is long enough. In that time, 98% of the time, I always input something to cancel "blanking." > > But it looks like it's for > > overridding a screensaver which I don't use or even have installed. > > I believe X has a screensaver built in. From man xset I was not aware of this. In all my studies, reading and using Linux over the past 17 years did I ever come across any mention of a built-in X screensaver. (Doesn't mean there's not one.) > s The s option lets you set the screen saver parameters. I read that, too, but thought it applied to a system screensaver like xscreensaver, etc. It was just a cursory read anyway as all I wanted from xset was to power off the monitor. > You can check it out by typing xset s 5 5 I'll reread the s option with new insight. But I really prefer the monitor being powered down instead of using a screensaver, since my system runs 24/7 and it's in my bedroom. A 24" monitor makes an awfully bright nightlight. ;-) B
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On Sat 29 Jul 2017 at 07:57:49 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 22:08:41 -0500 David Wright > wrote: > > > On Thu 27 Jul 2017 at 14:18:47 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:35:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > Or do what I did: dispense with a screensaver entirely. Haven't > > > > > used one in years. Waste of CPU cycles. Besides modern > > > > > computer screens don't even need them anymore. They aren't > > > > > prone to image burning like tube-type monitors were. I just > > > > > use xset or a power management utility, if installed, to > > > > > "sleep" the monitor display after a set time of system > > > > > idleness. Works great. > > > > […] > > > > > I lock my screen manually, too. Much of my work involves studying > > > what's on the screen without any input. It's an annoyance when it > > > "blanks" and I have to log back in disrupting my train of thought. > > > > As you use xset, can't you just define a key to set a really long > > timeout like xset dpms 9000 9000 9000 ; xset s 9000 9000 > > to prevent it blanking? (And one to revert if you feel the need.) > > I set xset for 20 minutes . . . 12000. (That's 200 minutes.) > Works well 98% of the > time. Never looked at the s option. That could be your problem then. > But it looks like it's for > overridding a screensaver which I don't use or even have installed. I believe X has a screensaver built in. From man xset s The s option lets you set the screen saver parameters. You can check it out by typing xset s 5 5 > I > still prefer to lock the screen manually though, if I'm going to be > away for a while. Same here; I use vlock -a in a VC. Cheers, David.
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 22:08:41 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Thu 27 Jul 2017 at 14:18:47 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:35:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > Or do what I did: dispense with a screensaver entirely. Haven't > > > > used one in years. Waste of CPU cycles. Besides modern > > > > computer screens don't even need them anymore. They aren't > > > > prone to image burning like tube-type monitors were. I just > > > > use xset or a power management utility, if installed, to > > > > "sleep" the monitor display after a set time of system > > > > idleness. Works great. > > […] > > > I lock my screen manually, too. Much of my work involves studying > > what's on the screen without any input. It's an annoyance when it > > "blanks" and I have to log back in disrupting my train of thought. > > As you use xset, can't you just define a key to set a really long > timeout like xset dpms 9000 9000 9000 ; xset s 9000 9000 > to prevent it blanking? (And one to revert if you feel the need.) I set xset for 20 minutes . . . 12000. Works well 98% of the time. Never looked at the s option. But it looks like it's for overridding a screensaver which I don't use or even have installed. I still prefer to lock the screen manually though, if I'm going to be away for a while. Thanks for the suggestion. B
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On Thu 27 Jul 2017 at 14:18:47 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:35:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > Or do what I did: dispense with a screensaver entirely. Haven't > > > used one in years. Waste of CPU cycles. Besides modern computer > > > screens don't even need them anymore. They aren't prone to image > > > burning like tube-type monitors were. I just use xset or a power > > > management utility, if installed, to "sleep" the monitor display > > > after a set time of system idleness. Works great. […] > I lock my screen manually, too. Much of my work involves studying > what's on the screen without any input. It's an annoyance when it > "blanks" and I have to log back in disrupting my train of thought. As you use xset, can't you just define a key to set a really long timeout like xset dpms 9000 9000 9000 ; xset s 9000 9000 to prevent it blanking? (And one to revert if you feel the need.) Cheers, David.
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:55:23 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:35:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > Or do what I did: dispense with a screensaver entirely. Haven't > > used one in years. Waste of CPU cycles. Besides modern computer > > screens don't even need them anymore. They aren't prone to image > > burning like tube-type monitors were. I just use xset or a power > > management utility, if installed, to "sleep" the monitor display > > after a set time of system idleness. Works great. > > For many of us, the primary function of the screen saver isn't the > prevention of image burn-in, but rather the locking of the session to > prevent other people from taking control when we step away. Maybe, for "many," but I think "most" use them because they are used to them, and the "cool" pictures and designs they display. Security is secondary. > Personally I use i3lock for this. Nice and simple. I don't use any > kind of automatic invocation or idle checking. I just manually run it > when I'm about to step away. (Used to use xlock, from xlockmore, but > that was removed from Debian several releases ago.) I lock my screen manually, too. Much of my work involves studying what's on the screen without any input. It's an annoyance when it "blanks" and I have to log back in disrupting my train of thought. That's why we have so many choices and configurations. B
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:35:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > Or do what I did: dispense with a screensaver entirely. Haven't used > one in years. Waste of CPU cycles. Besides modern computer screens > don't even need them anymore. They aren't prone to image burning > like tube-type monitors were. I just use xset or a power management > utility, if installed, to "sleep" the monitor display after a set time > of system idleness. Works great. For many of us, the primary function of the screen saver isn't the prevention of image burn-in, but rather the locking of the session to prevent other people from taking control when we step away. Personally I use i3lock for this. Nice and simple. I don't use any kind of automatic invocation or idle checking. I just manually run it when I'm about to step away. (Used to use xlock, from xlockmore, but that was removed from Debian several releases ago.)
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:52:42 +0400 Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Hello Debian Users, > > I have recently upgraded my box from Jessie to Stretch. > I encountered a few little issues that I could fixed easily. > Nevertheless, so far, I failed to fixed one of them, and a very > annoying one. > > During Xfce sessions, at random time my screen is filled with piece > of outdated images that were created by xscreensaver. > Most of the time, these images comes with an outdated error message > from xscreensaver. > > Any hint to fix is is welcome. Instead of wasting time looking for the problem, I would first just 'apt-get purge xscreensaver' making sure all configure files are gone, then reinstall, reconfigure. Or do what I did: dispense with a screensaver entirely. Haven't used one in years. Waste of CPU cycles. Besides modern computer screens don't even need them anymore. They aren't prone to image burning like tube-type monitors were. I just use xset or a power management utility, if installed, to "sleep" the monitor display after a set time of system idleness. Works great. B
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On 7/27/17, Johann Spies wrote: > On 27 July 2017 at 09:27, Jerome BENOIT > wrote: >> It is configured to display the `deco' saver. > > I would try and move ~/.xscreensaver away (something like > ~/.xscreensaver.bak) and then restart and reconfigure xscreensaver if > I were in you position. I like that idea. It's one I've not had to use much over the years, but it's always high on my debug checklist. :) Writing now because I tried lurking along behind the scenes. My setup is a couple week old debootstrap'ed copy of Buster with Xfce4. I had accidentally forgotten to install my xscreensaver which worked perfect for this. So I installed it and attempted to try your Deco theme. I don't know when this warning popped up (in its own window), but suddenly there it was sometime just after I clicked Applications > Settings > Screensaver and then the Deco theme: "The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0". Launch it now?" I have not one clue on that one. Have never seen it, never heard of it before. A quick glance through search returns without visiting any webpages shows words like "doesn't start automatically". Those inquiries appear dated 3 or 4 years ago. That reminded me that I'd noticed my screensaver had not been behaving perfectly in the last year or so, but Life outside the computer has had precedence so I never debugged. I use the Fiberlamp option. I tried switching back to it, and that message was still sitting there as though it might pertain to the screensaver as a whole. Yes, you're right that no, not necessarily, because once something like that pops up, it usually takes answering it for it to go away. I clicked "ok", and so far (3 minutes and counting) no smoke or flames... :) A parting afterthought: This is occurring on a PC setup where I'd previously been using a netbook'y laptop until a few weeks ago. That may or may not be a factor in why I'm suddenly seeing this warning for the first time ever Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On 27 July 2017 at 09:27, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > It is configured to display the `deco' saver. I would try and move ~/.xscreensaver away (something like ~/.xscreensaver.bak) and then restart and reconfigure xscreensaver if I were in you position. Regards. Johann -- Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself, my lips will praise you. (Psalm 63:3)
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
Hi Johann, thanks for your reply. On 27/07/17 10:14, Johann Spies wrote: > On 27 July 2017 at 07:52, Jerome BENOIT wrote: >> Hello Debian Users, >> >> I have recently upgraded my box from Jessie to Stretch. >> I encountered a few little issues that I could fixed easily. >> Nevertheless, so far, I failed to fixed one of them, and a very annoying one. >> >> During Xfce sessions, at random time my screen is filled with piece >> of outdated images that were created by xscreensaver. >> Most of the time, these images comes with an outdated error message from >> xscreensaver. > > How did you configure xscreensaver? I use XFCE and have no problems. Good to know. > My screensaver is configured to display images from a certain > directory randomly. It is configured to display the `deco' saver. Cheers, Jerome > > Regards > Johann >
Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver
On 27 July 2017 at 07:52, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Hello Debian Users, > > I have recently upgraded my box from Jessie to Stretch. > I encountered a few little issues that I could fixed easily. > Nevertheless, so far, I failed to fixed one of them, and a very annoying one. > > During Xfce sessions, at random time my screen is filled with piece > of outdated images that were created by xscreensaver. > Most of the time, these images comes with an outdated error message from > xscreensaver. How did you configure xscreensaver? I use XFCE and have no problems. My screensaver is configured to display images from a certain directory randomly. Regards Johann -- Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself, my lips will praise you. (Psalm 63:3)