Vote for SW Flash filtering in Mozilla (Galeon/Skipstone, etc.) (was Re: How to get junkbuster to junk flash ads?)
on Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 12:19:30PM -0800, Arno ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:32:23 +0100 Preben Randhol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do anybody have a generic way to get rid of the annoying flash commercials so that galeon won't ask me to install the flash plugin all the time. Usually the flash files have the file extension .swf, so something like /ads.*\.(gif|jpe?g|swf) might be a starting point. I don't think that's going to do the trick. If I understand SWF correctly, the flash file isn't actually pulled until the viewer or plugin is invoked. You're seeing the plugin prompt when the page containing a _reference_ to the SWF file is loaded. I'd go the webwasher route [1] or vote on appropriate bugs at bugzilla: # 70805 [REF] implement Macromedia Flash blocker http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70805 Probably what you want. Selective Flash blocking by site, similar to existing cookie and image blocking. Ideally, the Image blocking would be generalized to block arbitrary content IMO. Has fifteen votes, and four duplicate submissions. Check out the screenshots (attachments to the bug) which show an implementation of filtering for Flash. # 61103 Stop default plugin from launching on page load on linux (mac?) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61103 This is a rather popular bug -- it's had nine duplicate submissions (90191, 87086, 95583, 91261, 98933, 61333, 100901, 69215, 114272). It currently stands at 11 votes, there are 186 bugs with an equal or greater number of votes. It concerns the download plugin dialog. If you've already got Flash and want to block it on specific sites, it's not quite what you want. If you're not familiar with voting or bugzilla: you need to register. Do, 'coz it's a Good Thing®. Then, you get ten votes to contribute to bugs. You can add or subtract one vote per bug (some bugzilla implementations allow multiple votes, Mozilla's doesn't). It's a way of assessing interest in a particular feature. Flash bugs the living bejeezus out of me, I'd love to see filtering options available. Looks from #70805 that some patches to do parts of this were submitted. Peace. Notes: 1. Webwasher is a specific tool, but the general idea is that you filter your HTML as it comes through to delete offending content. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free We freed Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpCwtiqDd0qv.pgp Description: PGP signature
galeon - skipstone?
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:31:14AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: triggered. i have found mozilla 0.9 + galeon 0.10.6 to be the most stable (and *fast*) combo yet. Have you tried skipstone? It feels slightly faster, I'm uncertain about the relative stability though. Sadly it lacks some eye-candy :) And the keybindings are different from galeon/mozilla, slightly annoying. Hmm, now how on earth can I get all my cookies and bookmarks shared among all (mozilla, galeon, skipstone, konqueror, w3m) browsers..? Import/Export is really not an option anymore :-/ -- Tommi Komulainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG 1024D/68388EE66FD6 DD79 EB38 BF6F 3533 09C0 04A8 9871 6838 8EE6 pgpVTW07mqWxe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: galeon - skipstone?
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Tommi Komulainen wrote: [...] Hmm, now how on earth can I get all my cookies and bookmarks shared among all (mozilla, galeon, skipstone, konqueror, w3m) browsers..? Import/Export is really not an option anymore :-/ I can't help for cookies. But for bookmarks, I long ago decided to write an html file with all by bookmarks and use it as my home page. At the time I did it to share them between IE and Netscape but the principle is universal. It also lets me move my bookmarks from one machine to another just by copying a file. It's just a bit harder to add a new bookmark. -- Francois Gouget [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://fgouget.free.fr/ Stolen from an Internet user: f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng !
Re: galeon - skipstone?
One of the many obvious tricks I would never have discovered for myself - many thanks from an eavesdropper! Glyn -- so here we are then http://members.tripod.co.uk/Christchurch2000uk Running Debian/Gnu Linux 7:50pm up 12:27, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.00
Re: galeon - skipstone?
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:39:46AM -0700, Francois Gouget wrote: I can't help for cookies. But for bookmarks, I long ago decided to write an html file with all by bookmarks and use it as my home page. At the time I did it to share them between IE and Netscape but the principle is universal. It also lets me move my bookmarks from one machine to another just by copying a file. It's just a bit harder to add a new bookmark. I know, I tried that once, but adding a bookmark is a real PITA, as is editing them. Of course it's doable, but far away from being as simple as few clicks in the browser. And actually you don't even have move your bookmarks, just put the bookmark file in your homepage somewhere. A little browsing brought XBEL¹ to my attention. Now it looks like exactly the solution I was looking for. Unfortunately it seems that only Konqueror supports that format natively, galeon uses also XML but in some internal format, AFAICT. I think I will take a look at how to adjust galeon to use XBEL natively too, as soon as I have the time. Maybe someone is willing to define a common format for cookies. :) Hmm, now that I started thinking about it, a lot of browser configuration could be collected in one place. How many times have you cursed at the different default fonts in different browsers? Or the proxy settings? (I have http_proxy environment variable set, but sometimes it looks like browsers that provide their own configuration variables for proxies, ignore it altogether.) Too much work for a quick hack, any takers? :) 1. The XML Bookmark Exchange Language, http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/topics/xbel/ -- Tommi Komulainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG 1024D/68388EE66FD6 DD79 EB38 BF6F 3533 09C0 04A8 9871 6838 8EE6 pgp2Wrid25tCj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: galeon - skipstone?
on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:39:46AM -0700, Francois Gouget ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2001, Tommi Komulainen wrote: [...] Hmm, now how on earth can I get all my cookies and bookmarks shared among all (mozilla, galeon, skipstone, konqueror, w3m) browsers..? Import/Export is really not an option anymore :-/ I can't help for cookies. But for bookmarks, I long ago decided to write an html file with all by bookmarks and use it as my home page. At the time I did it to share them between IE and Netscape but the principle is universal. It also lets me move my bookmarks from one machine to another just by copying a file. It's just a bit harder to add a new bookmark. I've used this trick too. plug Galeons bookmark import/export utilities are pretty damned sweet though. /plug -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgp9ibRkXuVnz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: galeon - skipstone?
on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:24:01PM +0300, Tommi Komulainen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hmm, now that I started thinking about it, a lot of browser configuration could be collected in one place. How many times have you cursed at the different default fonts in different browsers? Or the proxy settings? (I have http_proxy environment variable set, but sometimes it looks like browsers that provide their own configuration variables for proxies, ignore it altogether.) Too much work for a quick hack, any takers? :) It's already got a name: Standard Web Proxy Interface (SWPI): The other item on my feature wish-list, however, is more ambitious: I'd like to be able to get access to an HTTP proxy's configuration in real-time from within a rendered page. I want to be able to right-click on a rendered item, and specify either (1) proxy to oblivion all objects from this IP, (2) proxy to oblivion all objects from this FQDN, (3) proxy to oblivion all objects from a subdomain I specify, (4) give me the ability to specify some regex substitution right now, and implement it immediately, and (5) list all rules currently in effect and let me inspect/edit any of them. It's unreasonable to have to build a general-purpose HTTP proxy into every Web browser, so what we should be looking for is a standard software interface browsers can talk to, and that proxies can take direction from. I.e., a SWPI = Standard Web Proxy Interface. If you're running the Apache proxy, you'd just also enable this in httpd.conf: LoadModule proxy_swpi_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libproxy_swpi.so If you're running Junkbuster, you enable the SWPI extension. And so on. ...from Rick Moen Wednesday on linux-elitists. Sounds as if you're extending this to be a browser configuration proxy. I'm not sure which of these are generally applicable. There are conventions for specifying proxies via environment variables as you note, but other options are harder to pin down. I'm arguing fonts in another list right now, the idea of proprietary, controlled-distribution fonts in an environment which parks rendering on desktops, many of which are governed by free software rules, is broken. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpi2Dfp4M1Rd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: galeon - skipstone?
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:42:01PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: I've used this trick too. plug Galeons bookmark import/export utilities are pretty damned sweet though. /plug indeed, except for some reason it likes to put the mozilla export in .mozilla/default/Cache which is quite wrong... or am i the only one who gets that? -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpt5TL4Ka0UB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: galeon - skipstone?
Francois Gouget wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2001, Tommi Komulainen wrote: [...] Hmm, now how on earth can I get all my cookies and bookmarks shared among all (mozilla, galeon, skipstone, konqueror, w3m) browsers..? Import/Export is really not an option anymore :-/ I can't help for cookies. But for bookmarks, I long ago decided to write an html file with all by bookmarks and use it as my home page. At the time I did it to share them between IE and Netscape but the principle is universal. It also lets me move my bookmarks from one machine to another just by copying a file. It's just a bit harder to add a new bookmark. For what it's worth both Netscape and Mozilla use an html file called bookmarks.html. It's fully loadable in any browser. Check in ~/.netscape and ~/.mozilla. You can even con these two programs into almost sharing one file, with some script trickery. Cheers, Steve
OT: gecko rendering engine and galeon/skipstone
Hello there, After all this discussion recently on the list about opera for linux and galeon/skipstone, I looked at the galeon/skipstone webpages. So a question came to my mind: They both use the gecko rendering engine from Mozilla. They both need a full install of Mozilla on the machine to work (this is a lot of overhead on a small harddisk, considering the fact, that you perhaps are not able to use Mozilla, if you have small amount of RAM, but you may be able to use galeon/skipstone - so Mozilla would take up several Megs of diskspace, just to provide the rendering engine). Wouldn't it be possible to take just the gecko engine and incorporate it into a new light weight browser, so there would be no need to have Mozilla installed? Why don't the developers of galeon/skipstone follow this approach? Anybody knowing of a browser doing this? Regards, Daniel
Re: OT: gecko rendering engine and galeon/skipstone
Why don't the developers of galeon/skipstone follow this approach? Anybody knowing of a browser doing this? mozilla is still under heavy development. it's not practical to extract gecko right now. stay tuned, though ;o) cheers -- Damien [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgptjKLkVd7u4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: gecko rendering engine and galeon/skipstone
On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 10:54:01AM +0100, Daniel Reuter wrote: Hello there, After all this discussion recently on the list about opera for linux and galeon/skipstone, I looked at the galeon/skipstone webpages. So a question came to my mind: They both use the gecko rendering engine from Mozilla. They both need a full install of Mozilla on the machine to work (this is a lot of overhead on a small harddisk, considering the fact, that you perhaps are not able to use Mozilla, if you have small amount of RAM, but you may be able to use galeon/skipstone - so Mozilla would take up several Megs of diskspace, just to provide the rendering engine). Wouldn't it be possible to take just the gecko engine and incorporate it into a new light weight browser, so there would be no need to have Mozilla installed? Why don't the developers of galeon/skipstone follow this approach? Anybody knowing of a browser doing this? If you want a small browser without relying on Mozilla's gecko, you might want to try BrowseX (at www.browsex.com). As far as licenses go, it's free and open source, but I'm not sure if it's Free (as in speech). Between Konqueror and Skipstone I don't use it much, but it seemed to work fine when I tested it out a little while ago. (If you do try it, make sure you have the dnsutils package installed; it apparently uses nslookup.) -- Tom What we call the secret of happiness is no more a secret than our willingness to choose life. -Leo Buscaglia
Re: OT: gecko rendering engine and galeon/skipstone
Thomas J. Hamman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want a small browser without relying on Mozilla's gecko, you might want to try BrowseX (at www.browsex.com). As far as licenses go, it's free and open source, but I'm not sure if it's Free (as in speech). The source code includes a copy of the OpenSSL library (BSD-style license *with* advertising clause), and code under the GPL and LGPL. In addition, the license doesn't permit you to change the start page URL. All in all, these terms seem quite incompatible to me. -- Florian Weimer[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Stuttgart http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/ RUS-CERT +49-711-685-5973/fax +49-711-685-5898
Re: OT: gecko rendering engine and galeon/skipstone
IIRC, I think there were also licensing issues involved with separately distributing the gecko rendering engine outside the full mozilla package. I would assume this would change once mozilla completes transition to full dual licensing under MPL and GPL. -Dan On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Daniel Reuter wrote: Hello there, After all this discussion recently on the list about opera for linux and galeon/skipstone, I looked at the galeon/skipstone webpages. So a question came to my mind: They both use the gecko rendering engine from Mozilla. They both need a full install of Mozilla on the machine to work (this is a lot of overhead on a small harddisk, considering the fact, that you perhaps are not able to use Mozilla, if you have small amount of RAM, but you may be able to use galeon/skipstone - so Mozilla would take up several Megs of diskspace, just to provide the rendering engine). Wouldn't it be possible to take just the gecko engine and incorporate it into a new light weight browser, so there would be no need to have Mozilla installed? Why don't the developers of galeon/skipstone follow this approach? Anybody knowing of a browser doing this? Regards, Daniel -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
