Re: Proposed amendement: be more careful when proposing a GR.
Hi, Charles Plessy: > This is why I am proposing this amendement, to say: “this GR was a bad idea, > please do not do it again”. > I would not regard it as an amendment, but as a separate alternative option on the ballot. If I were you, I'd add another paragraph, like >> Regarding the subject of this ballot, the Project affirms that the question >> has already been resolved and thus does not require a General Resolution. and then formally ask for seconds. -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141018153127.ga24...@smurf.noris.de
Re: Proposed amendement: be more careful when proposing a GR.
Le Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:37:19PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs a écrit : > > Charles Plessy: > > --- > > The Debian project asks its members to be more considerate when proposing > > General Resolutions, and in particular to take care that the proposed GR has > > actual chances to be accepted, considering that GRs is a disruptive process > > regardless the outcome of the vote. > > --- > > > Slightly reworded: > > > The Debian project asks its members to be considerate when proposing > General Resolutions, as the GR process may be disruptive regardless > of the outcome of the vote. > > In particular, a proposed GR should have an actual chance of being accepted. Thanks Matthias, for the rewording. Are there people willing to second this reworded version ? Whichever the result of this GR, the people who did not want it will lose: at the very minimum, we lose our time. And to reject the initial proposal, we will have to either vote for “further discussion” while not being interested in disussing further, or for a status quo proposal that can be twisted and misused if it is not worded perfectly. This is why I am proposing this amendement, to say: “this GR was a bad idea, please do not do it again”. Have a nice week-end, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Proposed amendement: be more careful when proposing a GR.
Hi, Charles Plessy: > --- > The Debian project asks its members to be more considerate when proposing > General Resolutions, and in particular to take care that the proposed GR has > actual chances to be accepted, considering that GRs is a disruptive process > regardless the outcome of the vote. > --- > Slightly reworded: The Debian project asks its members to be considerate when proposing General Resolutions, as the GR process may be disruptive regardless of the outcome of the vote. In particular, a proposed GR should have an actual chance of being accepted. This should probably be part of (the rationale for?) our constitution. It's not part of the current GR, despite being motivated by it. -- -- Matthias Urlichs signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Proposed amendement: be more careful when proposing a GR.
Le Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 04:05:41PM +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call > for seconds. This GR resolution proposal is identical to that > proposed by Matthew Vernon in March: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg0.html Hi Ian, the seconders, and everybody, I think that this GR does nothing but demotivating those doing the work. It may give a warm feeling to those who oppose the curent direction taken for Jessie, because they can satisfy themselves that they tried everything they could, but what Debian gains with this ? Nobody prepared a workable alternative, and opposing a change does not go automatically with the capacity of building the alternative. In the end, I think that this GR is just a show. I do not see it winning, nor even approaching majority. And I think that GRs should not be proposed if they have no serious chances to win, given that each GR costs us time, energy, division and bitternes (and I know what I am talking about). Therefore, I propose the following amendement. Please do not take it personnaly. --- The Debian project asks its members to be more considerate when proposing General Resolutions, and in particular to take care that the proposed GR has actual chances to be accepted, considering that GRs is a disruptive process regardless the outcome of the vote. --- Enhancements of the wording are welcome. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan signature.asc Description: Digital signature
