Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010, Margarita Manterola wrote: > There are a bunch listed in my yet-to-be-published platform. But > just to give an example from the previous mail, I'd like to have a > page with rankings of people reporting and fixing bugs, in order to > give some nice Debian merchandise to the ones that help the most, > but I don't think I'd have the time to organize the whole thing > myself. This is actually something that I've been meaning to get to for quite a while; if there is someone who is interested in working on this and/or helping me to get it whipped up into shape, I'd appreciate the help. [I had asked Steve about this in Argentina, and he was supportive, but unfortunatly I haven't done anything more about it since then.] Don Armstrong -- This message brought to you by weapons of mass destruction related program activities, and the letter G. http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100314021850.gu20...@volo.donarmstrong.com
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 05:45:33PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:55:38PM +0700, Paul Wise wrote: > > I wonder if the questions period of the DPL elections would be more > > productive if platforms were published beforehand? > > FWIW, my platform is ready, if someone want to have a look before the > official publishing just ask me me, otherwise I believe the secretary > will publish all of them on Monday. You're still the only one that send me something. I hope to receive something from all the candidates soon. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313172525.ga28...@roeckx.be
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 05:10:25PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> FWIW, I think a 2IC is much more effective for outside-leaning
> communication, i.e. filtering and/or answering leader@ mail (which
> apparently can be overwhelming) and such, not for communication with
> other project members or teams.
So, in fact, that's not that clear to me. I mean, the last of "2IC" has
been Luk with Steve in the current term. In his platform Steve called
Luk "an assistant DPL" without detailing how tasks were split. To my
reading that means that tasks are effectively shared with no specific
partitioning. Accordingly, AJ when he first created the 2IC role [1],
established it as sharing the responsibilities of the DPL.
Your vision of the 2IC is much more reasonable, but I believe I will not
personally need it, if elected. For mail triaging I'm using since a
couple of years a work-flow GTD-like/inbox-zero and mails usually don't
linger that much in my INBOX, at least they do not linger there because
I don't have time to triage them. I'm confident I could triage way more
mail than what I receive now (but please don't play the game of trying
that on purpose :-))
Dealing with them is of course a different matter, but if you were
thinking about the overwhelming amount time of writing responses once a
decision has been taken, well, that can be either done by the DPL alone
or delegated on a case-by-case basis to appropriate teams like
-publicity, -press, or to new blood willing to help in that respect.
Cheers.
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/04/msg00015.html
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Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:55:38PM +0700, Paul Wise wrote:
> I wonder if the questions period of the DPL elections would be more
> productive if platforms were published beforehand?
FWIW, my platform is ready, if someone want to have a look before the
official publishing just ask me me, otherwise I believe the secretary
will publish all of them on Monday.
As a suggestion for future elections, this problem is easily solvable:
it is enough to request that platforms get sent to the secretary within
the candidacy time frame, to "validate" the self-nomination. That way we
would be able to use at best the campaigning period (even though I don't
think a couple of days of delay make _such_ a difference ...).
Cheers.
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Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Margarita Manterola > wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Raphael Geissert > > wrote: > >> What tasks do you have in mind that you plan to delegate? > > > > There are a bunch listed in my yet-to-be-published platform. > > I wonder if the questions period of the DPL elections would be more > productive if platforms were published beforehand? That's how it's supposed to work, it's just that I have never seen all DPL candidates to be ready at that point (and the secretary usually tries to publish them at the same time so that one candidate can't benefit from having seen the platform of other candidates). Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Like what I do? Sponsor me: http://ouaza.com/wp/2010/01/05/5-years-of-freexian/ My Debian goals: http://ouaza.com/wp/2010/01/09/debian-related-goals-for-2010/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313065331.ga8...@rivendell
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Margarita Manterola wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Raphael Geissert wrote: >> What tasks do you have in mind that you plan to delegate? > > There are a bunch listed in my yet-to-be-published platform. I wonder if the questions period of the DPL elections would be more productive if platforms were published beforehand? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e13a36b31003122155v6cc76a27r212ea8d894ae6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Raphael Geissert wrote: >> So, while not having a particular appointed 2IC, I do plan to ask a >> lot of people for help on the many things I'd like to accomplish. And >> I also do plan to mention, thank and appreciate all the help received, >> no matter how small the task. > > What tasks do you have in mind that you plan to delegate? There are a bunch listed in my yet-to-be-published platform. But just to give an example from the previous mail, I'd like to have a page with rankings of people reporting and fixing bugs, in order to give some nice Debian merchandise to the ones that help the most, but I don't think I'd have the time to organize the whole thing myself. So, I'd probably find a group of people that like the idea and are willing to put up the work to have the system running. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8bbf0361003122147y5fc45980p69df222f81da...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Margarita Manterola wrote: > I do plan, however, to delegate many tasks. Both in the > constitutional and in the everyday use of the word. [...] > So, while not having a particular appointed 2IC, I do plan to ask a > lot of people for help on the many things I'd like to accomplish. And > I also do plan to mention, thank and appreciate all the help received, > no matter how small the task. What tasks do you have in mind that you plan to delegate? Regards, - -- Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer www.debian.org - get.debian.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkubHoUACgkQYy49rUbZzlq8NACeNP4C2aZySROOMkmRKIVg5L5D qa4An2x8Rm2TS2LQeZxSOqB9RdNm1kuL =C6ZD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hnf6q7$9m...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > a little question to all those up for the next DPL: > Do you plan on taking on a "2IC" or a team? > If so: Who? And why this/those? I don't plan to take a 2IC or a DPL team, in the sense of someone else receiving lea...@. I do plan, however, to delegate many tasks. Both in the constitutional and in the everyday use of the word. One of the things I learned from DebConf organization, particularly while organizing DebConf8, is that delegating is hard, but it's very important to be able to do it. In my experience, we geeks tend to feel that we have to do everything ourselves, otherwise the task won't get done properly (or at least not exactly how we thought about it). However, my vision is that it's essential to delegate, otherwise the task won't get done at all. So, while not having a particular appointed 2IC, I do plan to ask a lot of people for help on the many things I'd like to accomplish. And I also do plan to mention, thank and appreciate all the help received, no matter how small the task. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8bbf0361003121008x2c9de0b8l7944fad35a139...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 03:47:53PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > In fact, if you think about it, the proposal of a DPL board / 2IC just > gives a formal status to something that should be normal, > i.e. interaction among DPL and people knowledgeable/competent on > specific topics/tasks. FWIW, I think a 2IC is much more effective for outside-leaning communication, i.e. filtering and/or answering leader@ mail (which apparently can be overwhelming) and such, not for communication with other project members or teams. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100312161025.ga24...@nighthawk.chemicalconnection.dyndns.org
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
Le Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 01:12:57AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : > Heyho, > > a little question to all those up for the next DPL: > > Do you plan on taking on a "2IC" or a team? > If so: Who? And why this/those? Hi Joerg, If I understand correctly, the 2IC is another person that gets the emails for lea...@debian.org. I hope that the traffic on this address is low enough and that I can take vacations without blocking the project, so I do not plan to team up with a 2IC. I do not plan either to assemble a team. I think that the role of the DPL is to help the Project to keep cohesion and avoid inertia, and I am not sure that a team will be more efficient in this than a single person: if we stimulate Debian in many different directions, the opposite effect can be reached! Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100312155132.gb10...@kunpuu.plessy.org
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
thanks for the detailed answer, good summary of what is also my impression (that i have about it, as an unqualified observer). -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: daniel.baum...@panthera-systems.net Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9a5d2e.7080...@debian.org
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:14:42PM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> >I personally don't plan to have neither a DPL board, nor a 2IC.
> why not?
First of all because I don't think it is needed, then because we lack
evidence that having either a DPL board or a 2IC actually improves the
outcome of a DPL term or even only the communication with the project.
In fact, if you think about it, the proposal of a DPL board / 2IC just
gives a formal status to something that should be normal,
i.e. interaction among DPL and people knowledgeable/competent on
specific topics/tasks. In all my Debian activities thus far, I've always
talked with people, asked for advice, etc. If elected, I'll surely
continue to do so. There is no need to formalize that in a extra
structure that, especially for the DPL board, will induce extra
coordination hops.
For formal delegation of specific tasks, our constitution already
entails the notion of delegates, which I will use when and if needed. I
think we could use a bit more of that, possibly adding time constraints
to delegations, to avoid that a specific power lingers around attached
to people once their interest in a specific task has faded out, or the
task is completed (but no, I don't have any specific new delegation in
mind ATM).
The advantage of delegations over a DPL board / 2IC is that they are
task-specific and then more fair to the project: as a DD, I can trust
someone to work on a specific task, especially when that someone has
already shown competence in it, but not on a different one.
FWIW, I've discussed a bit more about all this in my platform, which is
pending publication.
Cheers.
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Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 01:12:57AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Heyho, > > a little question to all those up for the next DPL: > > Do you plan on taking on a "2IC" or a team? I don't plan on doing so, no. We've had a few DPLs in the past who did so, but I don't see a significant difference in performance between those who did have a 2IC and those who didn't; so I don't see the benefit. -- The biometric identification system at the gates of the CIA headquarters works because there's a guard with a large gun making sure no one is trying to fool the system. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/01/biometrics.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100312144151.ga17...@celtic.nixsys.be
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On 03/12/2010 10:55 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I personally don't plan to have neither a DPL board, nor a 2IC. why not? -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: daniel.baum...@panthera-systems.net Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9a.1050...@debian.org
Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 01:12:57AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Do you plan on taking on a "2IC" or a team?
I personally don't plan to have neither a DPL board, nor a 2IC.
Cheers.
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Heyho, a little question to all those up for the next DPL: Do you plan on taking on a "2IC" or a team? If so: Who? And why this/those? Thanks. -- bye, Joerg Well, I’m tired of being a wannabe league bowler. I wanna be a league bowler! pgpc4eVogfX8Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
