Re: Question to all the candidates: communication
Le Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:17:06AM +0700, Paul Wise a écrit : > > Which project and external Debian-related communications media do you > follow? and contribute to? As well as a general list I'm interested in > specific lists (for eg #debian, #debian-devel, debian-de...@l.d.o, > debian-proj...@l.d.o, the Hardware forum on forums.d.n etc). Hi Paul, Raphael and everybody, For the general lists, I am subscribed to -devel, -project, -devel-announce, -private, -vote and -policy. As part of my packaging activitites, I am also subscribed to -med, -science, -blends and more recently -qa. I also lurk on -powerpc, because I used Debian on a G5 for a couple of years, but I am not really contributing anymore there. Et bien sûr, je suis aussi sur -french et -devel-french. On the web I read Planet Debian, but never visit forums. I do not go on IRC either (too fast for me). I sometimes attend the Tôkyô area Debian study group, but it has become quite rare because I often decide to stay at home to pet my packages instead, or to join a monthly saké-tasting party that often hapens the same Saturday… If I am elected DPL, I will temporarly reduce my activities in the Debian Med project. But I will take more opportunities to meet other DDs in Japan. I will not significatly change my mailing list subscribtions. I will go on IRC if something is planned there, but not on a regular basis. I will use the -devel-announce, -devel, -project and -private mailing lists as main communication channels, and refrain to make fresh announces elsewhere. I will report about the spendings I approved every two months, perhaps on -private if it discloses too much personnal informations, and send a general report every other month on -devel-announce. Lastly, although the atmoshphere improved, I would like our mailing lists even more free from aggression. Things like invitations to stop whining, to change project, and questions about one's mental health hurt, are inappropriate and off-topic, and increase the noise. I will ask the listmasters to not hesitate to ban people for a couple of days if they post a completely useless and aggressive message. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100317143657.ga23...@kunpuu.plessy.org
Re: Question to all the candidates: communication
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:17:06AM +0700, Paul Wise wrote: > Dear candidates, > > Debian has a lot of project communications media; lists, forums, IRC, > planet, bts, RT. There are also a lot of external communications media > covering Debian; news media, , social networks, blogs, microblogging > sites & non-IRC chat, video sites and so on. > > Which project and external Debian-related communications media do you > follow? I follow several mailinglists (some in what could be considered a lurking mode, some more actively), the blogs on Planet Debian, and I am reasonably active on a number of IRC channels on both OFTC and freenode. As for external channels, I tend to read LWN infrequently; and when someone posts a link to some news article related to Debian through some other communication channel, I often read that, too, but I don't go actively hunting for such articles. I usually find that external communication about Debian, when not actively pursued, does not tell me things I do not already know. > and contribute to? My blog is on Planet Debian, and though my blogging frequency has reduced, I still consider myself a somewhat active blogger. I don't believe in microblogging, and am offended by Facebook's excuse for a "privacy policy", so don't go there either. > As well as a general list I'm interested in > specific lists (for eg #debian, #debian-devel, debian-de...@l.d.o, > debian-proj...@l.d.o, the Hardware forum on forums.d.n etc). Phew. Are you sure? That list is rather long, and would get dull rather quickly. If you really must know, most of that information isn't private, anyway. For the IRC channels, there's the "/whois" command, that (at least on OFTC, not sure about other networks) will tell you what channels I'm on. For mailinglists: I usually do post to lists that I'm subscribed to, though not always as frequently. I rarely unsubscribe from a list, though it does happen on the more active lists that I only manage to mark as read once in a blue moon. I don't do forums; they just don't work for me. > How do you see those two lists changing if you become DPL? Not by much; there will just be more mails, and probably some more lists that will go in lurking mode (though not too many, I hope). > Which of these communications media do you feel is important for the > DPL to read? Since the official communication channel within Debian is email, I believe that should be the only bits that are *important* for the DPL to read. Anything else is good, but not necessary. > Please breifly comment on how you see Debian's relationship with some > of these media. Debian is mail. Period. If you don't have mail, you can't do Debian. Planet Debian has a semi-official status. That is, often there's interesting bits of news posted there, but it shouldn't contain important bits of information -- those should be on the one and only required mailinglist. IRC, to me, is just a way to relax and to get quick help on some matters. Since there is an 'irc.debian.org' alias, it's probably fair to say that the channels are official, too; but as an immediate medium, its usefulness for important bits of information is limited. Web forums are useful to a particular subset of Debian users that I do not consider myself to be part of. I think we should continue to provide them if we can fix the issues we seem to be having with them currently, though I do not have good suggestions on how to do that. External media of course aren't something Debian has an influence over, and that's a good thing. > Do you feel any of these media have been misused by Debian people > (DDs/non-DDs alike)? If so, what action would you take if you become > DPL? No. Occasionally, announcements have been made over the wrong channel that should instead have been made to debian-devel-announce; but when challenged on that, people usually submit them to the right forum. > Do you feel the general tone and perception of Debian is positive on > the media that you follow? What action would you take to improve these > if you become DPL? This differs from medium to medium. I have some more details on what I plan to do in my platform; if you have some more questions on that after it has been published, I would be happy to answer them. -- The biometric identification system at the gates of the CIA headquarters works because there's a guard with a large gun making sure no one is trying to fool the system. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/01/biometrics.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Question to all the candidates: communication
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:56 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > [ You've just won my prize for the most unexpected -vote question. ] Thanks, I think :) > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:17:06AM +0700, Paul Wise wrote: >> Please breifly comment on how you see Debian's relationship with some >> of these media. > > Not sure what you're asking here ..., can you be more precise? Hmm, not sure what I was thinking of when I wrote that. The Thailand-induced hangover isn't helping either :) I'll update the thread if I think of something. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e13a36b31003142019m25c50cehd33905057f2da...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Question to all the candidates: communication
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Margarita Manterola wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Paul Wise wrote: >> Please breifly comment on how you see Debian's relationship with some >> of these media. > > I'm not sure of what's being asked here. Which of the mentioned media > are "these media" here? Because obviously it's not the same > relationship with official Debian lists than with microblogging > services. > >> Do you feel any of these media have been misused by Debian people >> (DDs/non-DDs alike)? If so, what action would you take if you become >> DPL? > > Again, I'm not sure which are "these media" in this case. In any > case, apart from the aggression level discussed in another answer, I > don't think there's a level of misuse that we should worry about. Sorry, I should have been more clear. By "these media" I meant the Debian related communications media that you are following currently or will follow if you become DPL. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e13a36b31003142012v283b3cfahc106d7455abef...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Question to all the candidates: communication
[ You've just won my prize for the most unexpected -vote question. ]
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:17:06AM +0700, Paul Wise wrote:
> Which project and external Debian-related communications media do you
> follow? and contribute to? As well as a general list I'm interested in
> specific lists (for eg #debian, #debian-devel, debian-de...@l.d.o,
> debian-proj...@l.d.o, the Hardware forum on forums.d.n etc).
So, let's skip the lists specific to tech topics, as most of us I follow
one of them for each of my Debian technical activity and/or packaging
team (e.g. -ocaml-maint, -python, -devscripts [on alioth], etc.)
Regarding lists about the project as a whole I follow daily -devel,
-project, -vote (especially these days :-)), -newmaint, -qa, -private. I
contribute regularly to most of them.
To stay informed with what goes on in the project I follow planet.d.o,
Debian News (which has de facto resurrected DWN, an amazing
achievement!), various announcements ML (d-d-a, -events-eu), and a bunch
of Debian folks on identi.ca. I post on planet.d.o quite regularly, I'd
say about once per week on average. Recently I've started microblogging
on identi.ca. Finally, I'm on a couple of cross-distro mailing lists
which I found amazing to advertise some of our worth sharing initiatives
(e.g. pushing for our Patch Tagging Guidelines on the
distribut...@freedesktop ML).
On IRC I basically mimic the MLs I follow: #-devel, #-qa, #-python,
#-newmaint, etc. However, I'm mostly idle on IRC and tend to get
"activated" only by explicit queries or needs of mine.
I don't follow any Debian forum and I'm not on any user support IRC
channel.
> How do you see those two lists changing if you become DPL?
As I declared in my platform last year, if elected I intend to step back
from my other Debian activities (which in most case already have
efficient teams even without me). Consequently, I'll decrease my
activities in the corresponding tech communication channels (ML/IRC).
Regarding project-wide ML, I'm already following most of them, but I
believe it would be important to participate in lists which concern our
communication (e.g. a bit more of -events* list, -publicity, and the
like).
> Which of these communications media do you feel is important for the
> DPL to read?
All lists which are somehow project-wide should be followed by the DPL.
With infinite time available, the DPL should also follow all other
lists, but that's clearly impossible. To close the gap between that
optimum and reality, if elected I will be clear about what I regularly
follow and on what, OTOH, I will welcome explicit pings on DPL-relevant
threads (ideally, all the rest).
> Please breifly comment on how you see Debian's relationship with some
> of these media.
Not sure what you're asking here ..., can you be more precise?
> Do you feel any of these media have been misused by Debian people
> (DDs/non-DDs alike)? If so, what action would you take if you become
> DPL?
I don't think countering media abuse is something the DPL should do.
While I'm not sure what is the status for our IRC channels, for mailing
list we have list masters that in case of abuses can already apply
standard countermeasures such as per-person moderation.
I notice however that in most cases, what contributes to make "not fun"
following some of our medias does not really qualify as abuse. It is
rather a matter of good habits among co-workers and a culture of mutual
respect. We have a separate question on this topic already, I'll
elaborate on the subject there.
> Do you feel the general tone and perception of Debian is positive on
> the media that you follow? What action would you take to improve these
> if you become DPL?
In the above, we've mostly discussed internal communication media, so
the perception of Debian is generally positive as participants _are_
Debian. The needed improvements fallback again to the "heated
discussion" thread.
The few exceptions to internal communication I've mentioned are the
cross-distro mailing lists. There (to be exact I've in mind the vcs-pkg
and the dis...@freedesktop lists) the climate among all participants
have always been respectful and I don't have specific reasons to believe
the perception of Debian is not positive.
Cheers.
--
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Re: Question to all the candidates: communication
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Raphael Geissert wrote: > How, how often, and when do you intend to communicate with the project? > (please continue reading to understand the context) > > In the past there have been "Bits from the DPL" emails which have been nice, > but during the last couple of years there have also been some press > interviews to the DPL and statements made which have come as a surprise to > everybody. What do _you_ plan to do? The DPL is elected to lead the developers, not to decide stuff on their own and have the developers live with it. As such, I think that a DPL that takes decisions without consulting with the developer body, or at least with the teams most affected by those decisions, makes very little sense. I don't intend to take arbitrary decisions without consulting with the relevant people. I don't intend to inform the press about stuff I decided on my own or without the developer body consensus. I do intend to communicate as much as possible, trying to do the "Bits from the DPL" when there's enough info for that, or at least by blog posts. I am concerned that by talking to former DPLs or people who were in close contact with them, communication tends to become quite a burden and for the common developers it's never enough. That's why I've been thinking about the RT usage, and if there's something else that could be done to ease the communication with the developer community, I'm willing to try that as well. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8bbf0361003141117g792afc2dod226a8bc08ead...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Question to all the candidates: communication
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Wise wrote: > Debian has a lot of project communications media; lists, forums, IRC, > planet, bts, RT. There are also a lot of external communications media > covering Debian; news media, , social networks, blogs, microblogging > sites & non-IRC chat, video sites and so on. [...] I want to add another question to the list: How, how often, and when do you intend to communicate with the project? (please continue reading to understand the context) In the past there have been "Bits from the DPL" emails which have been nice, but during the last couple of years there have also been some press interviews to the DPL and statements made which have come as a surprise to everybody. What do _you_ plan to do? Regards, - -- Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer www.debian.org - get.debian.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkudGfkACgkQYy49rUbZzlqJmQCgher0ETYAlIn5sG0xbgc1PiPK 9NUAn2AmgyZjjQeX+kG59mzw/XRGs8cU =fWgp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hnj5lo$6m...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Question to all the candidates: communication
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > Which project and external Debian-related communications media do you > follow? and contribute to? As well as a general list I'm interested in > specific lists (for eg #debian, #debian-devel, debian-de...@l.d.o, > debian-proj...@l.d.o, the Hardware forum on forums.d.n etc). I generally follow quite a number of lists in Debian, -project, -devel, -boot, -release, -women, -vote, -mentors, -newmaint, -policy, -qa, -announce, -devel-announce. I don't always read all the mails in the lists, obviously, but I try to keep up with anything important that is going on. I'm usually in #debian-devel, #debian-release, #debian-women, #debian-ar and #debconf-team. I also read Planet Debian, I have a blog there but it's currently underused. I'm also subscribed to the -bugs-dist list, although I use it mostly for searching bugs and related mails. I don't twitter, and I don't usually read any microblogs, nor do I use facebook. I don't plan to change this. > How do you see those two lists changing if you become DPL? I do plan to blog more, as well as post "Bits from the DPL" on -devel-announce. > Which of these communications media do you feel is important for the > DPL to read? I think that it's important that the DPL keeps up with what's going on in Debian, but it's not possible to read all the Debian lists. That's one of the things that I miss the most about DWN: it allowed us to be updated on anything interesting happening on the mailing lists, without having to read all of them. In any case, -devel and -project are obviously a must. For the rest, I think that anything important that requires the DPL attention would be CC'd or forwarded to lea...@d.o. I've been told that a lot of the DPL's time is spent reading / replying to lea...@d.o mails. I've been thinking about this and pondering whether it would be a good idea to try to direct more of those mails to RT instead of the leader's inbox, so that DDs can keep track of what's being done about their requests, as long as they are not private, of course. > Please breifly comment on how you see Debian's relationship with some > of these media. I'm not sure of what's being asked here. Which of the mentioned media are "these media" here? Because obviously it's not the same relationship with official Debian lists than with microblogging services. > Do you feel any of these media have been misused by Debian people > (DDs/non-DDs alike)? If so, what action would you take if you become > DPL? Again, I'm not sure which are "these media" in this case. In any case, apart from the aggression level discussed in another answer, I don't think there's a level of misuse that we should worry about. > Do you feel the general tone and perception of Debian is positive on > the media that you follow? What action would you take to improve these > if you become DPL? For a lot of people outside Debian, Debian is seen as "difficult" from the user point of view, and "aggressive" from the to-be-contributor point of view. I do plan to take action on both of this aspects if I become DPL. By doing a campaign with the message that Debian is not harder than other GNU/Linux distributions, and by doing events as the one commented on another answer for encouraging contributions. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8bbf0361003140927t4c0ad710l30148d9b25359...@mail.gmail.com
Question to all the candidates: communication
Dear candidates, Debian has a lot of project communications media; lists, forums, IRC, planet, bts, RT. There are also a lot of external communications media covering Debian; news media, , social networks, blogs, microblogging sites & non-IRC chat, video sites and so on. Which project and external Debian-related communications media do you follow? and contribute to? As well as a general list I'm interested in specific lists (for eg #debian, #debian-devel, debian-de...@l.d.o, debian-proj...@l.d.o, the Hardware forum on forums.d.n etc). How do you see those two lists changing if you become DPL? Which of these communications media do you feel is important for the DPL to read? Please breifly comment on how you see Debian's relationship with some of these media. Do you feel any of these media have been misused by Debian people (DDs/non-DDs alike)? If so, what action would you take if you become DPL? Do you feel the general tone and perception of Debian is positive on the media that you follow? What action would you take to improve these if you become DPL? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e13a36b31003131917w12368dbfo5d7ada032b565...@mail.gmail.com
