Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:05:31AM -0400, Michel Dänzer wrote: On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 04:46 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 11:38:05AM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: On Fri, 2004-10-15 00:10:59 -0400, Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Let's get another random data point: does it also happen if you run xclock with -norender? No; with -norender, everything works as expected. Michel, can you tell me how to transform this data point into a Eureka moment? :) Not sure; it means the problem seems to be related to the RENDER extension. Maybe the atimisc driver doesn't initialize that correctly. It would still be interesting to know if the order of the screens matters. Dear submitter, Can you please tell us if the order of the screens matters? -- G. Branden Robinson|People are equally horrified at Debian GNU/Linux |hearing the Christian religion [EMAIL PROTECTED] |doubted, and at seeing it http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |practiced. -- Samuel Butler signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 11:38:05AM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: On Fri, 2004-10-15 00:10:59 -0400, Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Let's get another random data point: does it also happen if you run xclock with -norender? No; with -norender, everything works as expected. Michel, can you tell me how to transform this data point into a Eureka moment? :) -- G. Branden Robinson| You live and learn. Debian GNU/Linux | Or you don't live long. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Robert Heinlein http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 04:46 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 11:38:05AM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: On Fri, 2004-10-15 00:10:59 -0400, Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Let's get another random data point: does it also happen if you run xclock with -norender? No; with -norender, everything works as expected. Michel, can you tell me how to transform this data point into a Eureka moment? :) Not sure; it means the problem seems to be related to the RENDER extension. Maybe the atimisc driver doesn't initialize that correctly. It would still be interesting to know if the order of the screens matters. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
Let's get another random data point: does it also happen if you run xclock with -norender? -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Fri, 2004-10-15 00:10:59 -0400, Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Let's get another random data point: does it also happen if you run xclock with -norender? No; with -norender, everything works as expected. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 _ O _ Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 01:18:46AM +0200, Erik Jansson wrote: This is likely a driver bug; to most other components involved it Maybe, but I've seen the same behaviour using the siliconmotion driver on several screens in Xinerma mode. Scales only showed up on the first. I was using 4.3.0.dfsg.1 back then. It's possible that bad acceleration code was copied from one driver to another. -- G. Branden Robinson| The power of accurate observation Debian GNU/Linux | is frequently called cynicism by [EMAIL PROTECTED] | those who don't have it. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 03:37:41PM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: On Wed, 2004-10-13 00:24:44 -0400, Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 15:43 +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-01 04:55:17 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I guess (but of course I'm not sure -- I'm not a X11 / XFree86 guru...) this means that the used widget library contains a bug. I guess it's responsible for providing the xwd dump data, but not the hardware driver... This is likely a driver bug; to most other components involved it matters little if at all which screen xclock is on. So, please provide the information about your setup that Branden asked for in his first followup. Here we are: Thanks for following up! I need a little more info, though: VGA-compatible devices on PCI bus: :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) :02:09.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a) :02:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a) Which of these video cards is driving the display that exhibits the bad behavior? Does it matter? I.e., does the middle screen always have this problem whether it's being driven by the RV280 or the 3D Rage II+ cards? -- G. Branden Robinson| I'm a firm believer in not drawing Debian GNU/Linux | trend lines before you have data [EMAIL PROTECTED] | points. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Tim Ottinger signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
Hi! I'm jumping in rigt in the middle now. Sorry if I've totally missed what it's all about. On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:36:24PM +0200, Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 03:37:41PM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: On Wed, 2004-10-13 00:24:44 -0400, Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 15:43 +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-01 04:55:17 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I guess (but of course I'm not sure -- I'm not a X11 / XFree86 guru...) this means that the used widget library contains a bug. I guess it's responsible for providing the xwd dump data, but not the hardware driver... This is likely a driver bug; to most other components involved it Maybe, but I've seen the same behaviour using the siliconmotion driver on several screens in Xinerma mode. Scales only showed up on the first. I was using 4.3.0.dfsg.1 back then. matters little if at all which screen xclock is on. So, please provide the information about your setup that Branden asked for in his first followup. Here we are: Thanks for following up! I need a little more info, though: VGA-compatible devices on PCI bus: :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) :02:09.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a) :02:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a) Which of these video cards is driving the display that exhibits the bad behavior? Does it matter? I.e., does the middle screen always have this problem whether it's being driven by the RV280 or the 3D Rage II+ cards? -- G. Branden Robinson| I'm a firm believer in not drawing Debian GNU/Linux | trend lines before you have data [EMAIL PROTECTED] | points. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Tim Ottinger
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Wed, 2004-10-13 00:24:44 -0400, Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 15:43 +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-01 04:55:17 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I guess (but of course I'm not sure -- I'm not a X11 / XFree86 guru...) this means that the used widget library contains a bug. I guess it's responsible for providing the xwd dump data, but not the hardware driver... This is likely a driver bug; to most other components involved it matters little if at all which screen xclock is on. So, please provide the information about your setup that Branden asked for in his first followup. Here we are: Contents of /var/lib/xfree86/X.roster: xserver-xfree86 /etc/X11/X target unchanged from checksum in /var/lib/xfree86/X.md5sum. X server symlink status: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 3 17:51 /etc/X11/X - /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1745484 Sep 28 14:09 /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 Contents of /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.roster: xserver-xfree86 VGA-compatible devices on PCI bus: :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) :02:09.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a) :02:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a) /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 does not match checksum in /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum. XFree86 X server configuration file status: -rw--- 1 root root 5475 Aug 4 12:25 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Contents of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page. # (Type man XF86Config-4 at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86 # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following commands as root: # # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 Section Files FontPathunix/:7100# local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi EndSection Section Module LoadGLcore Loadbitmap Loaddbe Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadrecord Loadspeedo Loadtype1 Loadvbe EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver keyboard Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xfree86 Option XkbModel pc105 Option XkbLayout de Option XkbVariantnodeadkeys EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse scroll Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device/dev/psaux Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse noscroll Driver mouse Option Device/dev/ttyS0 Option Protocol Microsoft Option Emulate3Buttons true Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 Option SendCoreEvents EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Video Card mitte Driver ati BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Video Card links Driver ati BusID PCI:2:9:0 EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Video Card rechts Driver ati BusID PCI:2:10:0 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor links HorizSync 30-70 VertRefresh 50-160 Option DPMS EndSection
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Wed, 2004-09-01 04:55:17 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One way to prove that this *isn't* a driver problem is to do a screen capture (say, with xwd, but the GNOME and KDE desktops have apps for this as well) of the xclock window when it's on one of the screens where it renders wrong. I now moved xclock to one of the secondary screens and captured it with xwd. The first ~875 bytes contain real data, the rest (53791 bytes) are 0xff. Displaying the dump later on with xwud shows off a completely white image (this is what you see from xclock on one of the secondary screens). If the screen capture *doesn't* the pointers and scale, then this may be an xclock bug (or possibly widget library bug) after all. I guess (but of course I'm not sure -- I'm not a X11 / XFree86 guru...) this means that the used widget library contains a bug. I guess it's responsible for providing the xwd dump data, but not the hardware driver... But I'm betting they'll be there, and definitely show up when you view the screen capture image in the middle screen. You've lost:-) It's a completely white image and it doesn't make any difference if the xwud window is on the main screen or on any other. xclock is from: $ dpkg -l xbase-clients Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++--- ii xbase-clients4.3.0.dfsg.1-8 miscellaneous X clients All the rest of the X11 system is also at version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 _ O _ Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 10:03:24PM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: On Mon, 2004-09-13 12:57:53 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 12:19:42PM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: [...] No problem to provide more info. Unfortunately, I'm currently in my holidays and don't have physical access to the machine. However, I can tell you about the config. [...] That needs physical access, so I can do that somewhen at/after upcoming monday. [...] That's it for now. I'll do the real tests most probably on monday. Any progress on this? Umy... My machine crashed totally (push power button -- not even VGA card gets booted...) so it's out for repair right now (last week I was forced out to some kind of emergency trip for one of our customers:-( However, I'm really still interested to solve that. I don't like loosing the space the clock needs on the middle screen:-) I'm again to go on a business trip tomorrow (lasting for two or three days), I guess my box will be ready again when I come back. Okay, any progress on this *now*? :) -- G. Branden Robinson|If I recall correctly, devfs went Debian GNU/Linux |straight from being marked as [EMAIL PROTECTED] |EXPERIMENTAL to OBSOLETE in the http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |kernel config. -- Tore Anderson signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Mon, 2004-09-13 12:57:53 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 12:19:42PM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: [...] No problem to provide more info. Unfortunately, I'm currently in my holidays and don't have physical access to the machine. However, I can tell you about the config. [...] That needs physical access, so I can do that somewhen at/after upcoming monday. [...] That's it for now. I'll do the real tests most probably on monday. Any progress on this? Umy... My machine crashed totally (push power button -- not even VGA card gets booted...) so it's out for repair right now (last week I was forced out to some kind of emergency trip for one of our customers:-( However, I'm really still interested to solve that. I don't like loosing the space the clock needs on the middle screen:-) I'm again to go on a business trip tomorrow (lasting for two or three days), I guess my box will be ready again when I come back. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 _ O _ Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 12:19:42PM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: [...] No problem to provide more info. Unfortunately, I'm currently in my holidays and don't have physical access to the machine. However, I can tell you about the config. [...] That needs physical access, so I can do that somewhen at/after upcoming monday. [...] That's it for now. I'll do the real tests most probably on monday. Any progress on this? -- G. Branden Robinson| If atheism is a religion, then Debian GNU/Linux | health is a disease. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Clark Adams http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 10:46:31PM -0400, Michel Dänzer wrote: Actually, I'd expect a driver rendering bug to be captured in the framebuffer and consequently on screen captures. If the bug lies in the server, I don't think you can tell where exactly from the client side. Ah. Thanks (as usual :) ) for correcting my busted notion of how the X server draws things. :) -- G. Branden Robinson| There's something wrong if you're Debian GNU/Linux | always right. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Glasow's Law http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 04:55 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:46:07PM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: If I start xclock on my xinerama screen (three horizontally ordered CRTs), hour and minute pointers and the outer scale are only visible when the window in on the middle screen (which is the primary screen of the three. The other two are declared as LeftOf/RightOf the middle one.) This is almost certainly a driver problem, so I'm going need more information about your X server. I've placed some instructions for gathering that information at the end of this message. One way to prove that this *isn't* a driver problem is to do a screen capture (say, with xwd, but the GNOME and KDE desktops have apps for this as well) of the xclock window when it's on one of the screens where it renders wrong. If the screen capture *doesn't* the pointers and scale, then this may be an xclock bug (or possibly widget library bug) after all. But I'm betting they'll be there, and definitely show up when you view the screen capture image in the middle screen. Actually, I'd expect a driver rendering bug to be captured in the framebuffer and consequently on screen captures. If the bug lies in the server, I don't think you can tell where exactly from the client side. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
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Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
retitle 263952 xserver-xfree86: rendering problems with xclock on some XINERAMA screens reassign 263952 xserver-xfree86 tag 263952 + moreinfo upstream thanks On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:46:07PM +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: Package: xbase-clients Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 Distribution: sid Architecture: i386 Hi! If I start xclock on my xinerama screen (three horizontally ordered CRTs), hour and minute pointers and the outer scale are only visible when the window in on the middle screen (which is the primary screen of the three. The other two are declared as LeftOf/RightOf the middle one.) This is almost certainly a driver problem, so I'm going need more information about your X server. I've placed some instructions for gathering that information at the end of this message. One way to prove that this *isn't* a driver problem is to do a screen capture (say, with xwd, but the GNOME and KDE desktops have apps for this as well) of the xclock window when it's on one of the screens where it renders wrong. If the screen capture *doesn't* the pointers and scale, then this may be an xclock bug (or possibly widget library bug) after all. But I'm betting they'll be there, and definitely show up when you view the screen capture image in the middle screen. [The following is a form letter.] Dear bug submitter, Since the XFree86 X server is a large and complex piece of software, some more information is required of you before this bug can be handled. Please run the following commands from a shell prompt to gather and deliver this information to us: $ /usr/share/bug/xserver-xfree86 /tmp/output 31 $ mailx -s Re: Bug#BUGNUMBER [EMAIL PROTECTED] /tmp/output If you do not have a mailx command on your system, you can get it by installing the mailx Debian package; for example, with the aptitude install mailx or apt-get install mailx commands as root. Alternatively, you can also use a mail command that is compatible with mailx's command-line syntax, such as mutt. One very good way to file bugs with the Debian Bug Tracking System is to use the reportbug package and command of the same name. The reportbug program does a lot of automatic information-gathering that helps package maintainers to understand your system configuration, and also ensures that your message to the Debian Bug Tracking System is well-formed so that it is processed correctly by the automated tools that manage the reports. (If you've ever gotten a bounce message from the Debian Bug Tracking System that tells you your message couldn't be processed, you might appreciate this latter feature.) Therefore, I strongly urge you to give reportbug a try as your primary bug reporting tool for the Debian System in the future. If you *did* use reportbug to file your report, then you're receiving this message because the information we expected to see was not present. If you deliberately deleted this information from the report, please don't do that in the future, even if it seems like it makes the mail too large. 50 kB (kilobytes) of configuration and log data is typical. Only if the included information greatly exceeds this amount (more than 100 kB) should you consider omitting it; instead, put it up on the World Wide Web somewhere and provide URLs to it in your report, or in subsequent followup by mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Thank you! -- G. Branden Robinson| Reality is what refuses to go away Debian GNU/Linux | when I stop believing in it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Philip K. Dick http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#263952: Pointers and Scale are invisible on secondary XINERAMA screens
Package:xbase-clients Version:4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 Distribution: sid Architecture: i386 Hi! If I start xclock on my xinerama screen (three horizontally ordered CRTs), hour and minute pointers and the outer scale are only visible when the window in on the middle screen (which is the primary screen of the three. The other two are declared as LeftOf/RightOf the middle one.) MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 _ O _ Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); signature.asc Description: Digital signature
