RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSSOFT
Andy, There is little Declude docu about "bounce." Is the name of the template "bounce" and is it only sent to the sender or . . . . Thanks, At 01:08 PM 8/22/01 -0400, you wrote: >Don, > >a) no - there is no variable for the URL. It's hard-coded. > >b) no - Imail doesn't get to deliver the mail to a local mailbox until AFTER >Declude has already bounced/alerted - causing the loop we are talking about. > >Best Regards >Andy Schmidt > >Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) >Fax:+1 201 934-9206 > >--- > >This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To >unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and >type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail >[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web >site at http://www.declude.com . Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.inetconcepts.net PGP Key ID: 04C99A55 (972) 788-2364 Fax: (972) 788-5049 Providing Internet Solutions Worldwide - An eDataWeb Affiliate --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSSOFT
Don, a) no - there is no variable for the URL. It's hard-coded. b) no - Imail doesn't get to deliver the mail to a local mailbox until AFTER Declude has already bounced/alerted - causing the loop we are talking about. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSSOFT
For "more information" in your template, do you have osirusoft hard coded
or are you using a variable for it? If a variable, which one?
Also, regarding the reply address of "Postmaster.ArgosWeb.net," I know you
are using this to prevent return bounces, etc. However, it could be
deleted inbound since it is an invalid address. So, wouldn't it be better
to have a valid return (i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and use an Imail
filter to send the returns to NUL? That's assuming the Imail filters are
applied before Declude takes over -- they are applied first, correct Scott?
Thanks,
At 11:45 AM 8/22/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for the heads up. I checked yesterday's log, and every single
>message flagged by OSSOFT was clearly spam. So far, none of my customers
>have complained about me "BOUNCING" it.
>
>Before we had the BOUNCE and ALERT features, I was very conservative and
>found RBL and DUL to be suitable for "HOLD". Now, that declude sends a
>notification to the occasional (if every) legitimate sender, I have been
>rather aggressive - without a single user complaint so far:
>
>RBL BOUNCE
>DUL BOUNCE
>RSS BOUNCE
>ORDBBOUNCE
>OSDUL BOUNCE
>OSSOFT BOUNCE
>BADHEADERS BOUNCE
>REVDNS ALERT
>
>
>I use the following bounce template:
>
>- template ---
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: %MAILFROM%
>Subject: Undelivered Mail
>
>Argos Networks' Firewall has rejected a message sent by %MAILFROM% to:
>
> %ALLRECIPS%.
>
>Your message originated at a mail server, which is listed as a source of
>unsolicited email ("SPAM"). In case your message was legitimate, we are
>including technical information that will assist your ISP with addressing
>their problem.
>
> Mail Server: %REMOTEIP% [%REMOTEHOST%]
> Listed in: %TESTDOMAIN%
> Description: %TESTNAME% (%WARNING%)
> More Info: http://relays.osirusoft.com/
>
> Message ID:%MSGID%
> Queue ID: %QUEUENAME% on %RECIPHOST%
>
>In the meantime, you may want to resend your message after connecting
>through a different Internet provider.
>
>We apologize for your inconvenience, but resources and productivity lost to
>unsolicited email messages require us to block known sources of such emails.
>
>For security reasons, you cannot respond to this email directly. If you
>need to contact us, please compose a new message addressed to
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Sincerely,
>Argos Networks
>http://www.ArgosWeb.net/
>
>
>-Original Message-
>%FULLMSG%
>--- template end --
>
>
>
>Best Regards
>Andy Schmidt
>
>Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
>Fax:+1 201 934-9206
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Travis Sullivan
>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:23 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: SPAM: [Invalid Sender] [Declude.JunkMail] OSSOFT
>Importance: Low
>
>
>I highly advise everyone not to use OSSOFT for the holding or deleting of
>messages. For one, they use several databases that aren't managed very
>well. One example is this one:
>
>xbl.selwerd.cx
>
>They have the entire UU.NET network in their black list. That is almost as
>bad as black listing AOL.com or yahoo.com.
>
>With this said, does anyone know of any other tests that should not be ran?
>
>Travis
>
>
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Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc.
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PGP Key ID: 04C99A55 (972) 788-2364 Fax: (972) 788-5049
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSSOFT
Hi Travis, oh - so you don't actually mean "OSSOFT" - you are talking about OsiruSoft in GENERAL and ONE of their OTHER databases? Yes, other databases have a lot of false positives. Here are the OTHER settings I use: OSRELAY WARN # OSSRC = false positives GTE/Verizon OSSRC WARN OSSMART WARN OSLIST WARN OSFORM WARN I addressed the bouncing loop by sending the mail FROM an invalid email address - and including a VALID contact email address in the body of the email. You saw that in the template I just posted before. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSSOFT
- Original Message - From: "Andy Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSSOFT >I checked yesterday's log, and every single >message flagged by OSSOFT was clearly spam. So far, none of my customers >have complained about me "BOUNCING" it. But, OSSOFT does have one database that has then entire UUNET address block in their database. UUNET has a lot of dial up POPs and this will bounce legitimate emails. I have found that getting off some of these lists are quite impossible. We had one issue of hosting a known spammer on one of our virtual hosting servers, once we found out, we nuked the account, but we are still listed in OSSOFT's blacklist. Case in point, we run a very tight TOS and monitor our [EMAIL PROTECTED] daily, but yet we have landed in a black hole. I at least try to contact an ISP before sending them into the black hole. Also, have you found a work around for the bouncing loop you had the other day? Travis --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OSSOFT
Thanks for the heads up. I checked yesterday's log, and every single
message flagged by OSSOFT was clearly spam. So far, none of my customers
have complained about me "BOUNCING" it.
Before we had the BOUNCE and ALERT features, I was very conservative and
found RBL and DUL to be suitable for "HOLD". Now, that declude sends a
notification to the occasional (if every) legitimate sender, I have been
rather aggressive - without a single user complaint so far:
RBL BOUNCE
DUL BOUNCE
RSS BOUNCE
ORDBBOUNCE
OSDUL BOUNCE
OSSOFT BOUNCE
BADHEADERS BOUNCE
REVDNS ALERT
I use the following bounce template:
- template ---
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: %MAILFROM%
Subject: Undelivered Mail
Argos Networks' Firewall has rejected a message sent by %MAILFROM% to:
%ALLRECIPS%.
Your message originated at a mail server, which is listed as a source of
unsolicited email ("SPAM"). In case your message was legitimate, we are
including technical information that will assist your ISP with addressing
their problem.
Mail Server: %REMOTEIP% [%REMOTEHOST%]
Listed in: %TESTDOMAIN%
Description: %TESTNAME% (%WARNING%)
More Info: http://relays.osirusoft.com/
Message ID:%MSGID%
Queue ID: %QUEUENAME% on %RECIPHOST%
In the meantime, you may want to resend your message after connecting
through a different Internet provider.
We apologize for your inconvenience, but resources and productivity lost to
unsolicited email messages require us to block known sources of such emails.
For security reasons, you cannot respond to this email directly. If you
need to contact us, please compose a new message addressed to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sincerely,
Argos Networks
http://www.ArgosWeb.net/
-Original Message-
%FULLMSG%
--- template end --
Best Regards
Andy Schmidt
Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Travis Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SPAM: [Invalid Sender] [Declude.JunkMail] OSSOFT
Importance: Low
I highly advise everyone not to use OSSOFT for the holding or deleting of
messages. For one, they use several databases that aren't managed very
well. One example is this one:
xbl.selwerd.cx
They have the entire UU.NET network in their black list. That is almost as
bad as black listing AOL.com or yahoo.com.
With this said, does anyone know of any other tests that should not be ran?
Travis
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