[Design-team] Constantine

[nicu buculei]

I am sure you are all already aware, the announcement is official since 
yesterday when Paul delivered in in front of the FUDCon audience, the 
release name for Fedora 12 was voted Constantine.

When I think about it, I had in my mind Byzantine culture (Roman emperor 
Constantine the Great) and I think a graphic in the style of a Byzantine 
mosaic can be an effective approach. The major trick is to leave out any 
religious implications and stay only with cultural references.

Think of something like 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2139332420/ but with some 
modernist imagery and some blue.

It also  can work like this 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2140942774/ with the symbols 
for our 4 foundations.

Get a better idea from those photos: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/tags/mosaic/

I talked about this yesterday evening (night) with Mo and Paul and today 
with Samuele (FUDCon is awesome for such things) and it seems the idea 
hs some potential.
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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Joost Elfering]

although the idea is good and they have some things we could work on I think
we need to take a step back before coming up with results and examples.

i suggest we first take a look at the associations with Constantine. these
associations will be the bases for out new style. so no examples, just
conceptual works. is that a good idea to approach it?

*my associations are: *
- roman emperor
-- roman architechture
-- roman mosaic's

- Constantinople (Istanbul)
-- east meets west
-- byzantine architecture

*note:*
with the name Constantine come association that have to do with religion. I
do get the idea that we should avoid the religious themes a bit. But this
theme is really heavily based on religion on it's own. We will probably have
some angry faces just because of the name. keeping out religion on this one
will be really hard!

I think we should set up some boundaries on where we can go and where we
can't. for example: Istanbul can be shown by the architecture in the city.
This will always include some religious architecture, can we show this? can
we give hints about his connection to Christianity? where is the border?

yope out.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, nicu buculei wrote:

> I am sure you are all already aware, the announcement is official since
> yesterday when Paul delivered in in front of the FUDCon audience, the
> release name for Fedora 12 was voted Constantine.
>
> When I think about it, I had in my mind Byzantine culture (Roman emperor
> Constantine the Great) and I think a graphic in the style of a Byzantine
> mosaic can be an effective approach. The major trick is to leave out any
> religious implications and stay only with cultural references.
>
> Think of something like
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2139332420/ but with some
> modernist imagery and some blue.
>
> It also  can work like this
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2140942774/ with the symbols
> for our 4 foundations.
>
> Get a better idea from those photos:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/tags/mosaic/
>
> I talked about this yesterday evening (night) with Mo and Paul and today
> with Samuele (FUDCon is awesome for such things) and it seems the idea
> hs some potential.
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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Frank Murphy]

On 28/06/09 13:37, Joost Elfering wrote:
> although the idea is good and they have some things we could work on I
> think we need to take a step back before coming up with results and
> examples.
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_(disambiguation)

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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Joost Elfering]

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Frank Murphy  wrote:

> On 28/06/09 13:37, Joost Elfering wrote:
> > although the idea is good and they have some things we could work on I
> > think we need to take a step back before coming up with results and
> > examples.
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_(disambiguation)
>

it's not about what's out there. it's about what you think of when you hear
the name. association is more important then what is out there, this gives
an idea on what people will expect.

yope out.
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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Konstantinos Antonakoglou]

I believe there is no place for any relegious reference. These matters
are complex to play with. I am not an art expert but Byzantine art
existed while Western Europe was facing the Dark Ages and there was a
huge impact from Christianity. You can't expect any work of art without
a religious reference.

So, to keep it simple I sense that we should say: "Hey! Byzantine art
used the mosaic art! Let's use it too."

For example, I would like something like this[1]. Or as Nicu mentioned
the four foundations.

[1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/soninka/40752634/

On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 14:54 +0200, Joost Elfering wrote:

> 
>  
> it's not about what's out there. it's about what you think of when you
> hear the name. association is more important then what is out there,
> this gives an idea on what people will expect.
> 
> yope out.

When I hear that name...well, I turn to look if someone is looking for
me :P

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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[wonderer]

Hy,

I also think we should look what people also outside from Fedora would
and also should think if they see the theme ( goal of theme). My first
look was into wikipedia (as maybe many Users out there who did not know
history well). And maybe some of them get also confused by the very much
meanings around there.
But thats just some ideas we can think deeper. I also had the Logo of my
old University (see http://www.tu-darmstadt.de/ ) in mind as I saw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I . and I did not know if this
is good, but I think many students would look into a Distribution wich
looks pretty much like the logo of their university...

Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could
port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe
some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around
your heads ;-) ).
Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe
another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new?
The Lion has a bit of an aggressive meaning, Constantine is en emperor
(also a bit aggressive) do we want the same way or make something smoother?
Questions over questions, but maybe some flowing ideas came out... just
brainstorming a bit...

So: what should be our intention and in wich direction should THEN be
the theming?

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Joost Elfering schrieb:
> although the idea is good and they have some things we could work on I
> think we need to take a step back before coming up with results and
> examples.
>
> i suggest we first take a look at the associations with Constantine.
> these associations will be the bases for out new style. so no
> examples, just conceptual works. is that a good idea to approach it?
>
> *my associations are: *
> - roman emperor
> -- roman architechture
> -- roman mosaic's
>
> - Constantinople (Istanbul)
> -- east meets west
> -- byzantine architecture
>
> *note:*
> with the name Constantine come association that have to do with
> religion. I do get the idea that we should avoid the religious themes
> a bit. But this theme is really heavily based on religion on it's own.
> We will probably have some angry faces just because of the name.
> keeping out religion on this one will be really hard!
>
> I think we should set up some boundaries on where we can go and where
> we can't. for example: Istanbul can be shown by the architecture in
> the city. This will always include some religious architecture, can we
> show this? can we give hints about his connection to Christianity?
> where is the border?
>
> yope out.
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, nicu buculei
> mailto:nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro>> wrote:
>
> I am sure you are all already aware, the announcement is official
> since
> yesterday when Paul delivered in in front of the FUDCon audience, the
> release name for Fedora 12 was voted Constantine.
>
> When I think about it, I had in my mind Byzantine culture (Roman
> emperor
> Constantine the Great) and I think a graphic in the style of a
> Byzantine
> mosaic can be an effective approach. The major trick is to leave
> out any
> religious implications and stay only with cultural references.
>
> Think of something like
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2139332420/ but with some
> modernist imagery and some blue.
>
> It also  can work like this
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2140942774/ with the
> symbols
> for our 4 foundations.
>
> Get a better idea from those photos:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/tags/mosaic/
>
> I talked about this yesterday evening (night) with Mo and Paul and
> today
> with Samuele (FUDCon is awesome for such things) and it seems the idea
> hs some potential.
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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Misha Shnurapet]

On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I there is a picture of the
«Bronze statue of Constantine I in York, England, near the spot where he
was proclaimed Augustus in 306». The statue is gorgeous. I think
everyone should have a look, it is very encouraging.


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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Cata]

Constantine = put all together to more feedback , like  NICEA  :))

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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[nicu buculei]

On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote:
>
> Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could
> port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe
> some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around
> your heads ;-) ).

About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with 
something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non 
release linked, additional options).

> Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe
> another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new?

We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be 
to close for the previous release.

> The Lion has a bit of an aggressive meaning, Constantine is en emperor
> (also a bit aggressive) do we want the same way or make something smoother?

The fact is Constantine was an emperor and for this link it was voted by 
people).

> Questions over questions, but maybe some flowing ideas came out... just
> brainstorming a bit...

Yeah, now is the time for it, let the ideas flow (as long as they are 
not related to the movie starring Keanu Reeves, but even that movie can 
have a positive use by setting a link: Constantine was a movie, so we 
can try to call Fedora 13 "friday", as in Friday  13" :p )

For example I expect Mo, after arriving home from a *long* plane trip to 
propose a steampunk approach: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_to_Byzantium#Fourth_stanza
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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[nicu buculei]

On 06/28/2009 06:14 PM, Charlie Brej wrote:
>
> Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its not that
> hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora values. I made a
> little freedom birdie (attached). Like most mosaics, it looks ok but
> only form a distance so it would have to be a part of a large design.

That's wonderful Charlie, you rock! (but this is not a surprise, we 
already knew how hard you rock)
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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Frank Murphy]

On 28/06/09 18:47, Cata wrote:
> Maybe mosaic is not very good ...
> I thinking 3D stuff like a papirus ...
> What do you think about this ?
>

Papyrus is more reminiscent of Egypt

I think mosaic, can do it.
I would say do a google on Constantinople (Pompeii\Herculaneum) Mosaic,

Maybe a Generals Head with Garland as Mosaic.


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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Cata]

Maybe mosaic is not very good ...
I thinking 3D stuff like a papirus ...
What do you think about this ?



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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[wonderer]

nicu buculei schrieb:
> On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote:
>   
>> Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could
>> port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe
>> some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around
>> your heads ;-) ).
>> 
>
> About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with 
> something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non 
> release linked, additional options).
>
>   
>> Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe
>> another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new?
>> 
>
> We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be 
> to close for the previous release.
>   
Not even a hippo? http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/3664418617/ :-D

Ok, so Constantine, sword, emperor...
>   
>> The Lion has a bit of an aggressive meaning, Constantine is en emperor
>> (also a bit aggressive) do we want the same way or make something smoother?
>> 
>
> The fact is Constantine was an emperor and for this link it was voted by 
> people).
>   
Ok. I like the bit funny idea of this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Yorkconstantine.jpg
and the "f" under his right hand flowing around...
Maybe a bit more steampunk style or a sword out of mosaic peaces...
>> Questions over questions, but maybe some flowing ideas came out... just
>> brainstorming a bit...
>> 
>
> Yeah, now is the time for it, let the ideas flow (as long as they are 
> not related to the movie starring Keanu Reeves, but even that movie can 
> have a positive use by setting a link: Constantine was a movie, so we 
> can try to call Fedora 13 "friday", as in Friday  13" :p )
>   
Thats exactly the point. Thanks for that. We had here many thoughts I
think, i also thought of the movie ;-)

> For example I expect Mo, after arriving home from a *long* plane trip to 
> propose a steampunk approach: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_to_Byzantium#Fourth_stanza
>   
Hmm, sounds good, but isn't it to far away from Constantine as name itself?

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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Cata]

I see this on wiki :
"*Constantine* (pronounced
/ˈkɒnstəntaɪn/or
/ˈkɒnstəntiːn/ ;
Latin : *Cōnstantīnus*,
Greek:
*Κωνσταντῖνος*, *Kōnstantînos*) is a masculine given
nameand
surname  which is derived from the
Latin name 
*Constantinus*[1],
a hypocoristic  of the first
names Constans  and
Constantius,
both meaning "constant, steadfast" in Latin
.[2]  The names are
the Latin equivalents of the Greek name *Eustáthios*, meaning the same. The
name "Constantine" is still very common in
Greeceand
Cyprus , the forms Κώστας
(Costas)
and Ντίνος (Dinos) being popular
hypocoristics.
Costel  is a common
Romanianform. The
Russian  and
Serbianform is
Konstantin, and their short forms Kostija and Kosta, respectively."

I think is more "both meaning "constant, steadfast" .
The correct question is :
"What is specific difference between old and new fedora?"
1. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/05/eust/ho_26.229.htm
" This Tetrarchy was founded on the idea of homogeneous authority; all four
emperors were depicted together in portraits emphasizing their unity and
indivisibility in order to bolster their strength and present the image of a
unified empire."
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm

I think the new fedora make simple distro with colors papyrus and fedora TM:
About papyrus style  :
"Papyrus is more reminiscent of Egypt"
Papyrus  with some latin words , see :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases
papyrus is use to write knowledge ...
like this "A well-preserved papyrus scroll, written in Latin" :

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WB_ylZsXyk4/SRg6uLqImYI/Ibc/TWTsDMx5B_s/s1600-h/IMG_8423.jpg
If you see colors and texture is pretty nice :
http://egyptian-paper.com/images/papyrusimages/PapyrusPaper.jpg

About mosaic :
What do you think about this , but replace the "Bacchus" with fedoara symbol
?
http://www.magdalenetours.com/images/fotos/64_Roman_Bacchus_mosaic,_Lyon.jpg

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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Nicolas Mailhot]

One should remember that one characteristic of Byzantine art (the
oriental roman empire) was its lavish use of gold . I'd be very
disappointed if the Fedora artwork for Constantine came out retrained
and sober.

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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Cata]

". I'd be very
disappointed if the Fedora artwork for Constantine came out retrained
and sober."
I don't say that ?
if you want an idea of parallel :
I think like "new car design" create from old one .
See this concept :
http://blog.uncovering.org/archives/uploads/2008/08053001_blog.uncovering.org_quattroflex.jpg
Maybe is to much :)
2009/6/28 Nicolas Mailhot 

> One should remember that one characteristic of Byzantine art (the
> oriental roman empire) was its lavish use of gold . I'd be very
> disappointed if the Fedora artwork for Constantine came out retrained
> and sober.
>
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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Joost Elfering]

the ideas of mosaic are good. but to get all the ideas out in the open we
need to keep an open mind. try to come with more ideas about what we can use
from the associations.

i think we now have:
- mosaic
- the line art from wonderer (
http://www.uweschmidt.org/files/images/athene.png,
http://maartenvoetbal.punt.nl/upload/Ajax_logo.jpg)

SO: what can we do with the concept "east meets west"?

I think this is an interesting concept as this was one of the things from
Constantine I. This can be seen as a connecting two worlds, building
together.
some inspirational images:
http://images.google.ru/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aru%3Aofficial&um=1&newwindow=1&sa=1&q=istanbul+bazaar&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq=

yope out.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Brej  wrote:

> On 28/06/09 16:56, nicu buculei wrote:
>
>> On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote:
>>
>>> Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could
>>> port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe
>>> some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around
>>> your heads ;-) ).
>>>
>>
>> About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with
>> something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non
>> release linked, additional options).
>>
>>  Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe
>>> another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new?
>>>
>>
>> We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be
>> to close for the previous release.
>>
>
> Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its not that
> hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora values. I made a
> little freedom birdie (attached). Like most mosaics, it looks ok but only
> form a distance so it would have to be a part of a large design.
>
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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[wonderer]

Hy there,

the mosaic idea combined with something else (no, not the F-Logo, to
simple...) out of the Constantine-theme maybe?!
The "east meets west" slogan i also find attractive. Something like a
fist holding a sword made out of mosaic stones or in steampunk lineart
OR a line art made of the Constantine head and also out of mosaic stones...

I'm also thinking about a rotating Constantine head, but thats more for
the wish-list as screensaver ;-)


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Joost Elfering schrieb:
> the ideas of mosaic are good. but to get all the ideas out in the open
> we need to keep an open mind. try to come with more ideas about what
> we can use from the associations.
>
> i think we now have:
> - mosaic
> - the line art from wonderer
> (http://www.uweschmidt.org/files/images/athene.png,
> http://maartenvoetbal.punt.nl/upload/Ajax_logo.jpg)
>
> SO: what can we do with the concept "east meets west"?
>
> I think this is an interesting concept as this was one of the things
> from Constantine I. This can be seen as a connecting two worlds,
> building together.
> some inspirational images:
> http://images.google.ru/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aru%3Aofficial&um=1&newwindow=1&sa=1&q=istanbul+bazaar&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq=
> 
>
> yope out.
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Brej  > wrote:
>
> On 28/06/09 16:56, nicu buculei wrote:
>
> On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote:
>
> Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest
> that we could
> port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern
> style. Maybe
> some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea
> flow around
> your heads ;-) ).
>
>
> About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with
> something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few
> more, non
> release linked, additional options).
>
> Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head
> and now maybe
> another animal ... do we want the same theming or
> something new?
>
>
> We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D),
> that would be
> to close for the previous release.
>
>
> Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its
> not that hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora
> values. I made a little freedom birdie (attached). Like most
> mosaics, it looks ok but only form a distance so it would have to
> be a part of a large design.
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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Michael Beckwith]

On 06/28/2009 05:24 AM, nicu buculei wrote:
> I am sure you are all already aware, the announcement is official since
> yesterday when Paul delivered in in front of the FUDCon audience, the
> release name for Fedora 12 was voted Constantine.
>
> When I think about it, I had in my mind Byzantine culture (Roman emperor
> Constantine the Great) and I think a graphic in the style of a Byzantine
> mosaic can be an effective approach. The major trick is to leave out any
> religious implications and stay only with cultural references.
>
> Think of something like
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2139332420/ but with some
> modernist imagery and some blue.
>
> It also  can work like this
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2140942774/ with the symbols
> for our 4 foundations.
>
> Get a better idea from those photos:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/tags/mosaic/
>
> I talked about this yesterday evening (night) with Mo and Paul and today
> with Samuele (FUDCon is awesome for such things) and it seems the idea
> hs some potential.
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Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is "Constantine" 
doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We 
can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and 
whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there.

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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Joost Elfering]

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Michael Beckwith <
michael.d.beckw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is "Constantine"
> doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We
> can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and
> whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there.
>

that's what i'm trying to achieve, think outside of the man and think of
associations you get with the word. that brings new ideas and inspiration to
the table.

yope out!


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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[angella inzinga]

I like the East meets West, that gives us tons of room to work lots of
things in. The coinage from the age has some very big themes- props to the
military (not too useful) and something called a 'camp
gate'.
Gates are nice for East meets west.  Winged Victory in a chariot is also
featured, and it's is nice, but looks like an Christian angel.

Angie

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:28 PM, wonderer  wrote:

>  Hy there,
>
> the mosaic idea combined with something else (no, not the F-Logo, to
> simple...) out of the Constantine-theme maybe?!
> The "east meets west" slogan i also find attractive. Something like a fist
> holding a sword made out of mosaic stones or in steampunk lineart OR a line
> art made of the Constantine head and also out of mosaic stones...
>
> I'm also thinking about a rotating Constantine head, but thats more for the
> wish-list as screensaver ;-)
>
>
> mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards
> Henrik Heigl - wonde...@fedoraproject.org
>
> PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6  3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0
>
>
> Joost Elfering schrieb:
>
> the ideas of mosaic are good. but to get all the ideas out in the open we
> need to keep an open mind. try to come with more ideas about what we can use
> from the associations.
>
>
> i think we now have:
> - mosaic
> - the line art from wonderer (
> http://www.uweschmidt.org/files/images/athene.png,
> http://maartenvoetbal.punt.nl/upload/Ajax_logo.jpg)
>
> SO: what can we do with the concept "east meets west"?
>
> I think this is an interesting concept as this was one of the things from
> Constantine I. This can be seen as a connecting two worlds, building
> together.
> some inspirational images:
> http://images.google.ru/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aru%3Aofficial&um=1&newwindow=1&sa=1&q=istanbul+bazaar&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq=
>
> yope out.
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Brej  wrote:
>
>> On 28/06/09 16:56, nicu buculei wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote:
>>>
 Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could
 port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe
 some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around
 your heads ;-) ).

>>>
>>> About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with
>>> something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non
>>> release linked, additional options).
>>>
>>>  Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe
 another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new?

>>>
>>> We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be
>>> to close for the previous release.
>>>
>>
>>  Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its not that
>> hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora values. I made a
>> little freedom birdie (attached). Like most mosaics, it looks ok but only
>> form a distance so it would have to be a part of a large design.
>>
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Re: [Design-team] Constantine

[Máirín Duffy]

On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 17:46 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote:
> Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is "Constantine" 
> doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We 
> can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and 
> whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there.

I found some inspiration in W.B. Yeats' 'Sailing to Byzantium' [1].
There are some interesting themes in there (and even a link to steam...
er.. byzantine-punk). I'll just throw these out there; they may all suck
but crappy ideas can inspire awesome ideas so if they inspire something
in you let's talk about it:

- Mortality vs Immortality - Byzantine art & culture flourished over
1000 years (330-1453) and is still known of today - We can relate this
to Fedora - Fedora does not try to only look 'cool' on the surface and
not have much substance underneath; Fedora is very concerned about
quality and doing the right thing. Fedora hopefully is at the forefront
of promoting a culture/philosophy and producing a quality system that
will bring order and the right way forward. A few ideas on representing
this: have a simple & transparent (or not quite drawn-in) subject grow
in complexity & depth and become more opaque maybe. Or go from weak to
saturated colors and/or values. The message would be along the lines of
Fedora's hopeful grasp towards greatness/eternity.

- The natural/impermanent/imperfect vs. technology/permanent/perfect -
building on the above theme... Yeats makes reference to Byzantine
Emperor Theophilos' singing mechanical golden birds (he also had
mechanical golden lions as well, hmmm... :) ) I feel like themes that
deal with technology vs nature usually pose technology in the 'bad guy'
light and nature in the 'good guy' light, so it might be interesting to
send a message that poses technology (Fedora) as an ally of nature (the
people using Fedora) to make it better (to improve Fedora users' lives).
Visually this could maybe take a steampunk bird form hehe.

- Order from Chaos - Constantine was known for bringing order to the
chaos of the Roman empire at the time he began rule and Constantinople
seems to have served as a central hub / symbol of that order. Perhaps
Fedora is the Constantinople to the chaos of crappy, proprietary
software. The message would be that open source software is inevitable
and is the way forward to order and progress.

- Liberation through enlightenment - '... Consume my heart away; sick
with desire... gather me Into the artifice of eternity.' Liberation of
the soul from worldly desires... liberation of the software and more
generally culture from worldly desires...? worldly desires = closed
firmware and patented codecs? hehe

- Unity/Coming together to make something great - and could quite easily
be communicated with the golden mosaic designs already being discussed -
alone one tile is nothing special, but the tiles together can make a
beautiful piece of art. Along similar lines, Constantinople itself was a
trading center where many cultures intersected.

~m

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_to_Byzantium

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