[Bug 27323] Re: provide a way to disable drive polling

2008-03-19 Thread Akkana Peck
Aside from any posible future nautilus UI, I'm not seeing from the hal-
disable-polling documentation how someone could use it to disable all
polling. It looks like you'd have to mount an investigation to figure
out which devices were being polled (read the discussion in this bug to
see that it's not necessarily straightforward), then write a script to
be called at boot time to disable each device one by one.

This bug is asking for a way to say, simply, "don't poll anything".
Which hal-disable-polling doesn't seem to provide.

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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-10 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-12 Thread Akkana Peck
I started with four processes: -acpi, -keyboard, and two -storage processes.

Killing the second -storage process didn't stop the access, but when I killed 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-13 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-24 Thread Akkana Peck
Inserted media aren't automounted even with the two hal devices polling; 
running hald makes no difference I've been able to notice.

Is automounting dependent on the gnome desktop doing something? I've done a lot 
of this testing without any desktop running -- in fact, on the Dapper Flight 6 
I've been using to test this, running the desktop hangs the machine (no 
keyboard response, no network response, no flashing keyboard lights, have to 
unplug the power cord and restart) about two times out of three, so I had to 
disable it. The hald polling and beeping happens whether or not I run the gnome 
desktop.

The /dev/sda device is created correctly and mounts correctly whether or not 
the hald processes are running, or indeed even if I aptitude purge the whole 
hald package.

Is there really never going to be a way to disable polling multiple times a 
second? Is removing hald the only solution for people who don't want all this 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-25 Thread Akkana Peck
User friendly or not, I'd appreciate instructions on how to do it. I tried 
changing everything I could find that looked like it might be related (see the 
first couple comments in this bug) but nothing I could find stopped the 
polling. In hoary it was possible to get hald to stop polling by editing a 
file, but it doesn't seem to work in either breezy or dapper.

> Ouch, that sounds really serious; are these bugs known in Malone?

I haven't had much luck in the past reporting X and kernel hangs, but I see 
there's a similar bug reported for the ATI driver (though no one's looking into 
it yet), so I've reported mine (Savage) as bug 41340.

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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk activity every few seconds

2006-05-08 Thread Akkana Peck
Nope. Neither your example, nor the example that's already in the file (which 
is different: it nests the storage.removable case inside the 
storage.hotpluggable case) stops the polling. If anything it might be more 
frequent after making the change. (Yes, I did also uncomment the lines, and I'm 
rebooting between changes, not just manually restarting processes.)

As to what to do about the bug and whether it's still a bug, I don't have a 
problem with automount (and even polling, if that's truly the only way the 
kernel can do automount) being on by default. But there are still some bugs 
left (IMHO, of course):

1. There should be a way to actually stop the polling. Currently, the file says 
it's possible but the lines in the file don't actually seem to change anything 
-- surely that counts as a bug?

2. Is it really necessary to have two daemons doing a seemingly identical poll, 
once a second (or so) each? Couldn't one daemon handle it, and at least cut 
down the polling by half?

3. Isn't a polling interval of twice a second (or even once a second) rather 
aggressive? Does hal not allow any possibility of tuning the polling interval?

If a way is found to change the polling, I'd even argue that both the interval, 
and whether to poll at all, would make an excellent addition to one of the 
sysadmin menus. I bet lots of people don't know that frequent polling is going 
on, and would disable it or at least scale the interval longer if they knew. 
But that's  more an RFE than a bug, and commandline ways of controlling this 
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[Bug 48614] New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-05 Thread Akkana Peck
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: hal

I just attempted to update dapper -- my last update was a few days
before the official release -- and suddenly there are all sorts of
dependencies on hal that weren't there a week before dapper's release.
In particular, konqueror (via kdebase-kio-plugins), gnome-session (via
gnome-power-manager) and libgnomevfs2-common (via pmount) all have
broken dependencies without hal.

I uninstalled hal because it polls my disk several times a second, eats
cpu and causes one of my systems to make a faint beep several times per
second (bug 27323). Konqueror and gnome-session have been working fine
without it for at least the past six months, until just now. Was this an
intentional policy change? It seems like a significant change to make so
close within a few weeks of dapper's final release (and it makes these
packages unusable for me and anyone else who doesn't want the frequent
polling).

Please make hal optional, as it always used to be, at least until the
polling problem is fixed or a workaround is found. Thanks!

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[Bug 48614] Re: New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-06 Thread Akkana Peck
1. How does closing a bug help in getting it assigned to the right component? 
What is the right component?
2. Where is the appropriate place for this discussion to happen, since you 
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[Bug 52802] Re: Black background in conversations after upgrade to 2.0beta3

2007-05-14 Thread Akkana Peck
Still happening: I just hit this in a newly installed feisty (using
existing preferences from an older gaim, of course). Fortunately this
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[Bug 24785] Re: page layout settings not respected in preview and printing

2007-07-13 Thread Akkana Peck
Gnumeric still can't print landscape here (feisty). If I print to a PDF
file, and when I view output.pdf in xpdf it's in portrait.

Might be related to bug #125691 on firefox, and I suspect there might be
some setting in $HOME that isn't getting written properly (perhaps
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-10 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-12 Thread Akkana Peck
I started with four processes: -acpi, -keyboard, and two -storage processes.

Killing the second -storage process didn't stop the access, but when I killed 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-13 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-24 Thread Akkana Peck
Inserted media aren't automounted even with the two hal devices polling; 
running hald makes no difference I've been able to notice.

Is automounting dependent on the gnome desktop doing something? I've done a lot 
of this testing without any desktop running -- in fact, on the Dapper Flight 6 
I've been using to test this, running the desktop hangs the machine (no 
keyboard response, no network response, no flashing keyboard lights, have to 
unplug the power cord and restart) about two times out of three, so I had to 
disable it. The hald polling and beeping happens whether or not I run the gnome 
desktop.

The /dev/sda device is created correctly and mounts correctly whether or not 
the hald processes are running, or indeed even if I aptitude purge the whole 
hald package.

Is there really never going to be a way to disable polling multiple times a 
second? Is removing hald the only solution for people who don't want all this 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-25 Thread Akkana Peck
User friendly or not, I'd appreciate instructions on how to do it. I tried 
changing everything I could find that looked like it might be related (see the 
first couple comments in this bug) but nothing I could find stopped the 
polling. In hoary it was possible to get hald to stop polling by editing a 
file, but it doesn't seem to work in either breezy or dapper.

> Ouch, that sounds really serious; are these bugs known in Malone?

I haven't had much luck in the past reporting X and kernel hangs, but I see 
there's a similar bug reported for the ATI driver (though no one's looking into 
it yet), so I've reported mine (Savage) as bug 41340.

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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk activity every few seconds

2006-05-08 Thread Akkana Peck
Nope. Neither your example, nor the example that's already in the file (which 
is different: it nests the storage.removable case inside the 
storage.hotpluggable case) stops the polling. If anything it might be more 
frequent after making the change. (Yes, I did also uncomment the lines, and I'm 
rebooting between changes, not just manually restarting processes.)

As to what to do about the bug and whether it's still a bug, I don't have a 
problem with automount (and even polling, if that's truly the only way the 
kernel can do automount) being on by default. But there are still some bugs 
left (IMHO, of course):

1. There should be a way to actually stop the polling. Currently, the file says 
it's possible but the lines in the file don't actually seem to change anything 
-- surely that counts as a bug?

2. Is it really necessary to have two daemons doing a seemingly identical poll, 
once a second (or so) each? Couldn't one daemon handle it, and at least cut 
down the polling by half?

3. Isn't a polling interval of twice a second (or even once a second) rather 
aggressive? Does hal not allow any possibility of tuning the polling interval?

If a way is found to change the polling, I'd even argue that both the interval, 
and whether to poll at all, would make an excellent addition to one of the 
sysadmin menus. I bet lots of people don't know that frequent polling is going 
on, and would disable it or at least scale the interval longer if they knew. 
But that's  more an RFE than a bug, and commandline ways of controlling this 
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[Bug 27323] Re: provide a way to disable drive polling

2008-03-19 Thread Akkana Peck
Aside from any posible future nautilus UI, I'm not seeing from the hal-
disable-polling documentation how someone could use it to disable all
polling. It looks like you'd have to mount an investigation to figure
out which devices were being polled (read the discussion in this bug to
see that it's not necessarily straightforward), then write a script to
be called at boot time to disable each device one by one.

This bug is asking for a way to say, simply, "don't poll anything".
Which hal-disable-polling doesn't seem to provide.

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[Bug 146290] Re: gimp "open from url" doesn't work

2007-12-18 Thread Akkana Peck
Or if you don't want gnome-vfs, installing gimp-libcurl also works.
Could this be included in (or required by) gimp, then let the gnomevfs
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-10 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-12 Thread Akkana Peck
I started with four processes: -acpi, -keyboard, and two -storage processes.

Killing the second -storage process didn't stop the access, but when I killed 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-13 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 24785] Re: page layout settings not respected in preview and printing

2007-07-13 Thread Akkana Peck
Gnumeric still can't print landscape here (feisty). If I print to a PDF
file, and when I view output.pdf in xpdf it's in portrait.

Might be related to bug #125691 on firefox, and I suspect there might be
some setting in $HOME that isn't getting written properly (perhaps
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[Bug 52802] Re: Black background in conversations after upgrade to 2.0beta3

2007-05-14 Thread Akkana Peck
Still happening: I just hit this in a newly installed feisty (using
existing preferences from an older gaim, of course). Fortunately this
bug was the first google hit and ctrl-R fixed it (thanks, Gerr!)

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[Bug 27323] Re: provide a way to disable drive polling

2008-03-19 Thread Akkana Peck
Aside from any posible future nautilus UI, I'm not seeing from the hal-
disable-polling documentation how someone could use it to disable all
polling. It looks like you'd have to mount an investigation to figure
out which devices were being polled (read the discussion in this bug to
see that it's not necessarily straightforward), then write a script to
be called at boot time to disable each device one by one.

This bug is asking for a way to say, simply, "don't poll anything".
Which hal-disable-polling doesn't seem to provide.

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[Bug 48614] New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-05 Thread Akkana Peck
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: hal

I just attempted to update dapper -- my last update was a few days
before the official release -- and suddenly there are all sorts of
dependencies on hal that weren't there a week before dapper's release.
In particular, konqueror (via kdebase-kio-plugins), gnome-session (via
gnome-power-manager) and libgnomevfs2-common (via pmount) all have
broken dependencies without hal.

I uninstalled hal because it polls my disk several times a second, eats
cpu and causes one of my systems to make a faint beep several times per
second (bug 27323). Konqueror and gnome-session have been working fine
without it for at least the past six months, until just now. Was this an
intentional policy change? It seems like a significant change to make so
close within a few weeks of dapper's final release (and it makes these
packages unusable for me and anyone else who doesn't want the frequent
polling).

Please make hal optional, as it always used to be, at least until the
polling problem is fixed or a workaround is found. Thanks!

** Affects: hal (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 48614] Re: New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-06 Thread Akkana Peck
1. How does closing a bug help in getting it assigned to the right component? 
What is the right component?
2. Where is the appropriate place for this discussion to happen, since you 
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[Bug 146290] Re: gimp "open from url" doesn't work

2007-12-18 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 52802] Re: Black background in conversations after upgrade to 2.0beta3

2007-05-14 Thread Akkana Peck
Still happening: I just hit this in a newly installed feisty (using
existing preferences from an older gaim, of course). Fortunately this
bug was the first google hit and ctrl-R fixed it (thanks, Gerr!)

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[Bug 24785] Re: page layout settings not respected in preview and printing

2007-07-13 Thread Akkana Peck
Gnumeric still can't print landscape here (feisty). If I print to a PDF
file, and when I view output.pdf in xpdf it's in portrait.

Might be related to bug #125691 on firefox, and I suspect there might be
some setting in $HOME that isn't getting written properly (perhaps
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-24 Thread Akkana Peck
Inserted media aren't automounted even with the two hal devices polling; 
running hald makes no difference I've been able to notice.

Is automounting dependent on the gnome desktop doing something? I've done a lot 
of this testing without any desktop running -- in fact, on the Dapper Flight 6 
I've been using to test this, running the desktop hangs the machine (no 
keyboard response, no network response, no flashing keyboard lights, have to 
unplug the power cord and restart) about two times out of three, so I had to 
disable it. The hald polling and beeping happens whether or not I run the gnome 
desktop.

The /dev/sda device is created correctly and mounts correctly whether or not 
the hald processes are running, or indeed even if I aptitude purge the whole 
hald package.

Is there really never going to be a way to disable polling multiple times a 
second? Is removing hald the only solution for people who don't want all this 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-25 Thread Akkana Peck
User friendly or not, I'd appreciate instructions on how to do it. I tried 
changing everything I could find that looked like it might be related (see the 
first couple comments in this bug) but nothing I could find stopped the 
polling. In hoary it was possible to get hald to stop polling by editing a 
file, but it doesn't seem to work in either breezy or dapper.

> Ouch, that sounds really serious; are these bugs known in Malone?

I haven't had much luck in the past reporting X and kernel hangs, but I see 
there's a similar bug reported for the ATI driver (though no one's looking into 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk activity every few seconds

2006-05-08 Thread Akkana Peck
Nope. Neither your example, nor the example that's already in the file (which 
is different: it nests the storage.removable case inside the 
storage.hotpluggable case) stops the polling. If anything it might be more 
frequent after making the change. (Yes, I did also uncomment the lines, and I'm 
rebooting between changes, not just manually restarting processes.)

As to what to do about the bug and whether it's still a bug, I don't have a 
problem with automount (and even polling, if that's truly the only way the 
kernel can do automount) being on by default. But there are still some bugs 
left (IMHO, of course):

1. There should be a way to actually stop the polling. Currently, the file says 
it's possible but the lines in the file don't actually seem to change anything 
-- surely that counts as a bug?

2. Is it really necessary to have two daemons doing a seemingly identical poll, 
once a second (or so) each? Couldn't one daemon handle it, and at least cut 
down the polling by half?

3. Isn't a polling interval of twice a second (or even once a second) rather 
aggressive? Does hal not allow any possibility of tuning the polling interval?

If a way is found to change the polling, I'd even argue that both the interval, 
and whether to poll at all, would make an excellent addition to one of the 
sysadmin menus. I bet lots of people don't know that frequent polling is going 
on, and would disable it or at least scale the interval longer if they knew. 
But that's  more an RFE than a bug, and commandline ways of controlling this 
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[Bug 48614] New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-05 Thread Akkana Peck
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: hal

I just attempted to update dapper -- my last update was a few days
before the official release -- and suddenly there are all sorts of
dependencies on hal that weren't there a week before dapper's release.
In particular, konqueror (via kdebase-kio-plugins), gnome-session (via
gnome-power-manager) and libgnomevfs2-common (via pmount) all have
broken dependencies without hal.

I uninstalled hal because it polls my disk several times a second, eats
cpu and causes one of my systems to make a faint beep several times per
second (bug 27323). Konqueror and gnome-session have been working fine
without it for at least the past six months, until just now. Was this an
intentional policy change? It seems like a significant change to make so
close within a few weeks of dapper's final release (and it makes these
packages unusable for me and anyone else who doesn't want the frequent
polling).

Please make hal optional, as it always used to be, at least until the
polling problem is fixed or a workaround is found. Thanks!

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[Bug 48614] Re: New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-06 Thread Akkana Peck
1. How does closing a bug help in getting it assigned to the right component? 
What is the right component?
2. Where is the appropriate place for this discussion to happen, since you 
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[Bug 27323] Re: provide a way to disable drive polling

2008-03-19 Thread Akkana Peck
Aside from any posible future nautilus UI, I'm not seeing from the hal-
disable-polling documentation how someone could use it to disable all
polling. It looks like you'd have to mount an investigation to figure
out which devices were being polled (read the discussion in this bug to
see that it's not necessarily straightforward), then write a script to
be called at boot time to disable each device one by one.

This bug is asking for a way to say, simply, "don't poll anything".
Which hal-disable-polling doesn't seem to provide.

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2007-12-18 Thread Akkana Peck
Or if you don't want gnome-vfs, installing gimp-libcurl also works.
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2007-07-13 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 52802] Re: Black background in conversations after upgrade to 2.0beta3

2007-05-14 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-24 Thread Akkana Peck
Inserted media aren't automounted even with the two hal devices polling; 
running hald makes no difference I've been able to notice.

Is automounting dependent on the gnome desktop doing something? I've done a lot 
of this testing without any desktop running -- in fact, on the Dapper Flight 6 
I've been using to test this, running the desktop hangs the machine (no 
keyboard response, no network response, no flashing keyboard lights, have to 
unplug the power cord and restart) about two times out of three, so I had to 
disable it. The hald polling and beeping happens whether or not I run the gnome 
desktop.

The /dev/sda device is created correctly and mounts correctly whether or not 
the hald processes are running, or indeed even if I aptitude purge the whole 
hald package.

Is there really never going to be a way to disable polling multiple times a 
second? Is removing hald the only solution for people who don't want all this 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-25 Thread Akkana Peck
User friendly or not, I'd appreciate instructions on how to do it. I tried 
changing everything I could find that looked like it might be related (see the 
first couple comments in this bug) but nothing I could find stopped the 
polling. In hoary it was possible to get hald to stop polling by editing a 
file, but it doesn't seem to work in either breezy or dapper.

> Ouch, that sounds really serious; are these bugs known in Malone?

I haven't had much luck in the past reporting X and kernel hangs, but I see 
there's a similar bug reported for the ATI driver (though no one's looking into 
it yet), so I've reported mine (Savage) as bug 41340.

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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk activity every few seconds

2006-05-08 Thread Akkana Peck
Nope. Neither your example, nor the example that's already in the file (which 
is different: it nests the storage.removable case inside the 
storage.hotpluggable case) stops the polling. If anything it might be more 
frequent after making the change. (Yes, I did also uncomment the lines, and I'm 
rebooting between changes, not just manually restarting processes.)

As to what to do about the bug and whether it's still a bug, I don't have a 
problem with automount (and even polling, if that's truly the only way the 
kernel can do automount) being on by default. But there are still some bugs 
left (IMHO, of course):

1. There should be a way to actually stop the polling. Currently, the file says 
it's possible but the lines in the file don't actually seem to change anything 
-- surely that counts as a bug?

2. Is it really necessary to have two daemons doing a seemingly identical poll, 
once a second (or so) each? Couldn't one daemon handle it, and at least cut 
down the polling by half?

3. Isn't a polling interval of twice a second (or even once a second) rather 
aggressive? Does hal not allow any possibility of tuning the polling interval?

If a way is found to change the polling, I'd even argue that both the interval, 
and whether to poll at all, would make an excellent addition to one of the 
sysadmin menus. I bet lots of people don't know that frequent polling is going 
on, and would disable it or at least scale the interval longer if they knew. 
But that's  more an RFE than a bug, and commandline ways of controlling this 
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[Bug 48614] New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-05 Thread Akkana Peck
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: hal

I just attempted to update dapper -- my last update was a few days
before the official release -- and suddenly there are all sorts of
dependencies on hal that weren't there a week before dapper's release.
In particular, konqueror (via kdebase-kio-plugins), gnome-session (via
gnome-power-manager) and libgnomevfs2-common (via pmount) all have
broken dependencies without hal.

I uninstalled hal because it polls my disk several times a second, eats
cpu and causes one of my systems to make a faint beep several times per
second (bug 27323). Konqueror and gnome-session have been working fine
without it for at least the past six months, until just now. Was this an
intentional policy change? It seems like a significant change to make so
close within a few weeks of dapper's final release (and it makes these
packages unusable for me and anyone else who doesn't want the frequent
polling).

Please make hal optional, as it always used to be, at least until the
polling problem is fixed or a workaround is found. Thanks!

** Affects: hal (Ubuntu)
   Severity: Normal
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[Bug 48614] Re: New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-06 Thread Akkana Peck
1. How does closing a bug help in getting it assigned to the right component? 
What is the right component?
2. Where is the appropriate place for this discussion to happen, since you 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-10 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-12 Thread Akkana Peck
I started with four processes: -acpi, -keyboard, and two -storage processes.

Killing the second -storage process didn't stop the access, but when I killed 
the first one as well, the beeping stopped.
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-13 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-24 Thread Akkana Peck
Inserted media aren't automounted even with the two hal devices polling; 
running hald makes no difference I've been able to notice.

Is automounting dependent on the gnome desktop doing something? I've done a lot 
of this testing without any desktop running -- in fact, on the Dapper Flight 6 
I've been using to test this, running the desktop hangs the machine (no 
keyboard response, no network response, no flashing keyboard lights, have to 
unplug the power cord and restart) about two times out of three, so I had to 
disable it. The hald polling and beeping happens whether or not I run the gnome 
desktop.

The /dev/sda device is created correctly and mounts correctly whether or not 
the hald processes are running, or indeed even if I aptitude purge the whole 
hald package.

Is there really never going to be a way to disable polling multiple times a 
second? Is removing hald the only solution for people who don't want all this 
polling and aren't getting any benefit from it?

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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-25 Thread Akkana Peck
User friendly or not, I'd appreciate instructions on how to do it. I tried 
changing everything I could find that looked like it might be related (see the 
first couple comments in this bug) but nothing I could find stopped the 
polling. In hoary it was possible to get hald to stop polling by editing a 
file, but it doesn't seem to work in either breezy or dapper.

> Ouch, that sounds really serious; are these bugs known in Malone?

I haven't had much luck in the past reporting X and kernel hangs, but I see 
there's a similar bug reported for the ATI driver (though no one's looking into 
it yet), so I've reported mine (Savage) as bug 41340.

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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk activity every few seconds

2006-05-08 Thread Akkana Peck
Nope. Neither your example, nor the example that's already in the file (which 
is different: it nests the storage.removable case inside the 
storage.hotpluggable case) stops the polling. If anything it might be more 
frequent after making the change. (Yes, I did also uncomment the lines, and I'm 
rebooting between changes, not just manually restarting processes.)

As to what to do about the bug and whether it's still a bug, I don't have a 
problem with automount (and even polling, if that's truly the only way the 
kernel can do automount) being on by default. But there are still some bugs 
left (IMHO, of course):

1. There should be a way to actually stop the polling. Currently, the file says 
it's possible but the lines in the file don't actually seem to change anything 
-- surely that counts as a bug?

2. Is it really necessary to have two daemons doing a seemingly identical poll, 
once a second (or so) each? Couldn't one daemon handle it, and at least cut 
down the polling by half?

3. Isn't a polling interval of twice a second (or even once a second) rather 
aggressive? Does hal not allow any possibility of tuning the polling interval?

If a way is found to change the polling, I'd even argue that both the interval, 
and whether to poll at all, would make an excellent addition to one of the 
sysadmin menus. I bet lots of people don't know that frequent polling is going 
on, and would disable it or at least scale the interval longer if they knew. 
But that's  more an RFE than a bug, and commandline ways of controlling this 
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[Bug 48614] New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-05 Thread Akkana Peck
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: hal

I just attempted to update dapper -- my last update was a few days
before the official release -- and suddenly there are all sorts of
dependencies on hal that weren't there a week before dapper's release.
In particular, konqueror (via kdebase-kio-plugins), gnome-session (via
gnome-power-manager) and libgnomevfs2-common (via pmount) all have
broken dependencies without hal.

I uninstalled hal because it polls my disk several times a second, eats
cpu and causes one of my systems to make a faint beep several times per
second (bug 27323). Konqueror and gnome-session have been working fine
without it for at least the past six months, until just now. Was this an
intentional policy change? It seems like a significant change to make so
close within a few weeks of dapper's final release (and it makes these
packages unusable for me and anyone else who doesn't want the frequent
polling).

Please make hal optional, as it always used to be, at least until the
polling problem is fixed or a workaround is found. Thanks!

** Affects: hal (Ubuntu)
   Severity: Normal
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[Bug 48614] Re: New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-06 Thread Akkana Peck
1. How does closing a bug help in getting it assigned to the right component? 
What is the right component?
2. Where is the appropriate place for this discussion to happen, since you 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-10 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-12 Thread Akkana Peck
I started with four processes: -acpi, -keyboard, and two -storage processes.

Killing the second -storage process didn't stop the access, but when I killed 
the first one as well, the beeping stopped.
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-13 Thread Akkana Peck
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[Bug 27323] Re: provide a way to disable drive polling

2008-03-19 Thread Akkana Peck
Aside from any posible future nautilus UI, I'm not seeing from the hal-
disable-polling documentation how someone could use it to disable all
polling. It looks like you'd have to mount an investigation to figure
out which devices were being polled (read the discussion in this bug to
see that it's not necessarily straightforward), then write a script to
be called at boot time to disable each device one by one.

This bug is asking for a way to say, simply, "don't poll anything".
Which hal-disable-polling doesn't seem to provide.

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[Bug 146290] Re: gimp "open from url" doesn't work

2007-12-18 Thread Akkana Peck
Or if you don't want gnome-vfs, installing gimp-libcurl also works.
Could this be included in (or required by) gimp, then let the gnomevfs
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[Bug 24785] Re: page layout settings not respected in preview and printing

2007-07-13 Thread Akkana Peck
Gnumeric still can't print landscape here (feisty). If I print to a PDF
file, and when I view output.pdf in xpdf it's in portrait.

Might be related to bug #125691 on firefox, and I suspect there might be
some setting in $HOME that isn't getting written properly (perhaps
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[Bug 52802] Re: Black background in conversations after upgrade to 2.0beta3

2007-05-14 Thread Akkana Peck
Still happening: I just hit this in a newly installed feisty (using
existing preferences from an older gaim, of course). Fortunately this
bug was the first google hit and ctrl-R fixed it (thanks, Gerr!)

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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-24 Thread Akkana Peck
Inserted media aren't automounted even with the two hal devices polling; 
running hald makes no difference I've been able to notice.

Is automounting dependent on the gnome desktop doing something? I've done a lot 
of this testing without any desktop running -- in fact, on the Dapper Flight 6 
I've been using to test this, running the desktop hangs the machine (no 
keyboard response, no network response, no flashing keyboard lights, have to 
unplug the power cord and restart) about two times out of three, so I had to 
disable it. The hald polling and beeping happens whether or not I run the gnome 
desktop.

The /dev/sda device is created correctly and mounts correctly whether or not 
the hald processes are running, or indeed even if I aptitude purge the whole 
hald package.

Is there really never going to be a way to disable polling multiple times a 
second? Is removing hald the only solution for people who don't want all this 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-25 Thread Akkana Peck
User friendly or not, I'd appreciate instructions on how to do it. I tried 
changing everything I could find that looked like it might be related (see the 
first couple comments in this bug) but nothing I could find stopped the 
polling. In hoary it was possible to get hald to stop polling by editing a 
file, but it doesn't seem to work in either breezy or dapper.

> Ouch, that sounds really serious; are these bugs known in Malone?

I haven't had much luck in the past reporting X and kernel hangs, but I see 
there's a similar bug reported for the ATI driver (though no one's looking into 
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk activity every few seconds

2006-05-08 Thread Akkana Peck
Nope. Neither your example, nor the example that's already in the file (which 
is different: it nests the storage.removable case inside the 
storage.hotpluggable case) stops the polling. If anything it might be more 
frequent after making the change. (Yes, I did also uncomment the lines, and I'm 
rebooting between changes, not just manually restarting processes.)

As to what to do about the bug and whether it's still a bug, I don't have a 
problem with automount (and even polling, if that's truly the only way the 
kernel can do automount) being on by default. But there are still some bugs 
left (IMHO, of course):

1. There should be a way to actually stop the polling. Currently, the file says 
it's possible but the lines in the file don't actually seem to change anything 
-- surely that counts as a bug?

2. Is it really necessary to have two daemons doing a seemingly identical poll, 
once a second (or so) each? Couldn't one daemon handle it, and at least cut 
down the polling by half?

3. Isn't a polling interval of twice a second (or even once a second) rather 
aggressive? Does hal not allow any possibility of tuning the polling interval?

If a way is found to change the polling, I'd even argue that both the interval, 
and whether to poll at all, would make an excellent addition to one of the 
sysadmin menus. I bet lots of people don't know that frequent polling is going 
on, and would disable it or at least scale the interval longer if they knew. 
But that's  more an RFE than a bug, and commandline ways of controlling this 
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[Bug 48614] New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-05 Thread Akkana Peck
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: hal

I just attempted to update dapper -- my last update was a few days
before the official release -- and suddenly there are all sorts of
dependencies on hal that weren't there a week before dapper's release.
In particular, konqueror (via kdebase-kio-plugins), gnome-session (via
gnome-power-manager) and libgnomevfs2-common (via pmount) all have
broken dependencies without hal.

I uninstalled hal because it polls my disk several times a second, eats
cpu and causes one of my systems to make a faint beep several times per
second (bug 27323). Konqueror and gnome-session have been working fine
without it for at least the past six months, until just now. Was this an
intentional policy change? It seems like a significant change to make so
close within a few weeks of dapper's final release (and it makes these
packages unusable for me and anyone else who doesn't want the frequent
polling).

Please make hal optional, as it always used to be, at least until the
polling problem is fixed or a workaround is found. Thanks!

** Affects: hal (Ubuntu)
   Severity: Normal
   Priority: (none set)
 Status: Unconfirmed

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[Bug 48614] Re: New unneeded dependencies on hal

2006-06-06 Thread Akkana Peck
1. How does closing a bug help in getting it assigned to the right component? 
What is the right component?
2. Where is the appropriate place for this discussion to happen, since you 
evidently don't think the bug system is the right place?

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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-10 Thread Akkana Peck
** Attachment added: "hald strace"
   http://librarian.launchpad.net/2026591/hald.trace
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-12 Thread Akkana Peck
I started with four processes: -acpi, -keyboard, and two -storage processes.

Killing the second -storage process didn't stop the access, but when I killed 
the first one as well, the beeping stopped.
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[Bug 27323] Re: hal's automount_enabled_hint causes disk to beep every few seconds

2006-04-13 Thread Akkana Peck
** Attachment added: "hald-addon-storage trace"
   http://librarian.launchpad.net/2082896/3959.trace
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[Bug 24785] Re: page layout settings not respected in preview and printing

2007-07-13 Thread Akkana Peck
Gnumeric still can't print landscape here (feisty). If I print to a PDF
file, and when I view output.pdf in xpdf it's in portrait.

Might be related to bug #125691 on firefox, and I suspect there might be
some setting in $HOME that isn't getting written properly (perhaps
related to the discussion in bug #34112).

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[Bug 52802] Re: Black background in conversations after upgrade to 2.0beta3

2007-05-14 Thread Akkana Peck
Still happening: I just hit this in a newly installed feisty (using
existing preferences from an older gaim, of course). Fortunately this
bug was the first google hit and ctrl-R fixed it (thanks, Gerr!)

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[Bug 27323] Re: provide a way to disable drive polling

2008-03-19 Thread Akkana Peck
Aside from any posible future nautilus UI, I'm not seeing from the hal-
disable-polling documentation how someone could use it to disable all
polling. It looks like you'd have to mount an investigation to figure
out which devices were being polled (read the discussion in this bug to
see that it's not necessarily straightforward), then write a script to
be called at boot time to disable each device one by one.

This bug is asking for a way to say, simply, "don't poll anything".
Which hal-disable-polling doesn't seem to provide.

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[Bug 146290] Re: gimp "open from url" doesn't work

2007-12-18 Thread Akkana Peck
Or if you don't want gnome-vfs, installing gimp-libcurl also works.
Could this be included in (or required by) gimp, then let the gnomevfs
version be optional (for those who are using gnome)?

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