RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html - Gordon -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:42 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Flash Platform Whitepaper Hi Folks, Adobe published an update to the Flash Platform Whitepaper today. Most of it doesn¹t directly affect us, but one item does: Adobe has decided to focus its future runtime development on top of the existing architecture, as opposed to a completely new architecture (Flash ³Next²) and language (ActionScript ³Next²). So Apache Flex doesn¹t have to worry about porting to a new VM/language. That should save us lots of time and distraction. Go Apache Flex! -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Flash Platform Whitepaper
Hi, Notice the license for "premium" features has been dropped as well. Justin
Re: Flash Platform Whitepaper
Hi there Alex In some points Alex we will be affected, since if we still want to be relay only on flash player. We have to move on for Flex output for N platforms and stop depending only on one vendor. Is that what you mention or no, I'm wrong? Igor Costa www.igorcosta.com www.igorcosta.org On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > Notice the license for "premium" features has been dropped as well. > > Justin >
RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper
In reading over the latest version, it seems like Adobe is saying no Air for Windows 8 tablets/phones...is that a correct reading? Seems like a dumb move for both Microsoft and Adobe. Mark -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:42 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Flash Platform Whitepaper Hi Folks, Adobe published an update to the Flash Platform Whitepaper today. Most of it doesn¹t directly affect us, but one item does: Adobe has decided to focus its future runtime development on top of the existing architecture, as opposed to a completely new architecture (Flash ³Next²) and language (ActionScript ³Next²). So Apache Flex doesn¹t have to worry about porting to a new VM/language. That should save us lots of time and distraction. Go Apache Flex! -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
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Thats the way i'm reading it - dumb but predictable On 30/01/2013 00:39, Mark Fuqua wrote: In reading over the latest version, it seems like Adobe is saying no Air for Windows 8 tablets/phones...is that a correct reading? Seems like a dumb move for both Microsoft and Adobe. Mark -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:42 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Flash Platform Whitepaper Hi Folks, Adobe published an update to the Flash Platform Whitepaper today. Most of it doesn¹t directly affect us, but one item does: Adobe has decided to focus its future runtime development on top of the existing architecture, as opposed to a completely new architecture (Flash ³Next²) and language (ActionScript ³Next²). So Apache Flex doesn¹t have to worry about porting to a new VM/language. That should save us lots of time and distraction. Go Apache Flex! -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
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On 1/29/13 4:33 PM, "Igor Costa" wrote: > Hi there Alex > > In some points Alex we will be affected, since if we still want to be relay > only on flash player. We have to move on for Flex output for N platforms > and stop depending only on one vendor. > > Is that what you mention or no, I'm wrong? IMO, the only thing that affects us is the fact that we don't have to worry about a new VM and language. None of the other changes published today affects the Apache Flex Project's exploration into Flex output for other platforms. There's definitely lots of exploring going on. -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
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That part of text is a bit fuzzy, but it doesn't sound positive at all about AIR on Win8 mobile. Also, no mention of Blackberry OS. Tomislav On 30.1.2013. 1:39, Mark Fuqua wrote: In reading over the latest version, it seems like Adobe is saying no Air for Windows 8 tablets/phones...is that a correct reading? Seems like a dumb move for both Microsoft and Adobe. Mark -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:42 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Flash Platform Whitepaper Hi Folks, Adobe published an update to the Flash Platform Whitepaper today. Most of it doesn¹t directly affect us, but one item does: Adobe has decided to focus its future runtime development on top of the existing architecture, as opposed to a completely new architecture (Flash ³Next²) and language (ActionScript ³Next²). So Apache Flex doesn¹t have to worry about porting to a new VM/language. That should save us lots of time and distraction. Go Apache Flex! -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper
Windows 8 is a dumb product for anyone to waste their time on. :) On the other hand, I am hoping Adobe would have AIR for Xbox and Play Station. Adobe has missed the whole mobile front with its incompetent Flashlite and Flash-6-es-que player for Pocket PC. Had Adobe put more resources on mobile years earlier, its foothold in mobile would have been much stronger. I hope Adobe, with its new focus on gaming, would not repeat its misstep and make some waves into console market. Tangent -Original Message- From: Mark Fuqua [mailto:m...@availdata.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:40 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper In reading over the latest version, it seems like Adobe is saying no Air for Windows 8 tablets/phones...is that a correct reading? Seems like a dumb move for both Microsoft and Adobe. Mark -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:42 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Flash Platform Whitepaper Hi Folks, Adobe published an update to the Flash Platform Whitepaper today. Most of it doesn¹t directly affect us, but one item does: Adobe has decided to focus its future runtime development on top of the existing architecture, as opposed to a completely new architecture (Flash ³Next²) and language (ActionScript ³Next²). So Apache Flex doesn¹t have to worry about porting to a new VM/language. That should save us lots of time and distraction. Go Apache Flex! -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
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I read the whole thing as Flash entering sunset mode. Basically, Adobe doesn't want to make their AIR package competitive, so they are throwing in the towel, while allowing Flash Player in the browser to coast to it's inevitable demise. That's my read anyway. Kevin N.
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On 1/29/2013 8:14 PM, Tianzhen Lin wrote: I hope Adobe, with its new focus on gaming, would not repeat its misstep and make some waves into console market. The right play in my opinion would be to do exactly that - focus on gaming - then expand out to other types of apps like they did when Flash moved from animation, to video, to RIAs. They have a strong multi-platform app-store middleware product. But if you read closely, Adobe's narrative was never about a real focus on gaming, and was always more about leveraging their installed base, and desktop/laptop browser ubiquity. That failed when they couldn't sell premium features, and so they've cancelled the plans they had to advance Flash and AIR further, and have instead entered Flash into its end of life. It's really a shame they'll put stage3d and AGAL to sleep with Flash. Any hope they'll mix those APIs with a new language, and create a preplacement middleware product (I'm voting for GoLang as the core language!)? A new brand couldn't hurt at this point. Kevin N.
Re: Flash Platform Whitepaper
Read to me like they are working on making AS3 the new Javascript. Just saying. :) brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47 On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: > I read the whole thing as Flash entering sunset mode. Basically, Adobe > doesn't want to make their AIR package competitive, so they are throwing in > the towel, while allowing Flash Player in the browser to coast to it's > inevitable demise. That's my read anyway. > > Kevin N. > >
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Yeah... They tried that once already. They submitted to have a large portion of AS3 become the next ECMAScript -- and after a bit of a tizzy, they were rejected. -Nick On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Avi Kessner wrote: > Read to me like they are working on making AS3 the new Javascript. Just > saying. :) > > brought to you by the letters A, V, and I > and the number 47 > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Kevin Newman > wrote: > > > I read the whole thing as Flash entering sunset mode. Basically, Adobe > > doesn't want to make their AIR package competitive, so they are throwing > in > > the towel, while allowing Flash Player in the browser to coast to it's > > inevitable demise. That's my read anyway. > > > > Kevin N. > > > > >
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Good thing, we did not start to rewrite flex in AS4 :) At least it proves that Adobe can change its strategic moves very quickly and 180° is always possible, even if you can't count on it of course. Does this white paper mean that theres no plan to put Air on windows 8, even in captive runtime like iOs? it would be a very bad news for Flex on short term (as a multi target SDK) if windows 8 has success and flex don't run on it. Le 30/01/2013 00:42, Alex Harui a écrit : Hi Folks, Adobe published an update to the Flash Platform Whitepaper today. Most of it doesn¹t directly affect us, but one item does: Adobe has decided to focus its future runtime development on top of the existing architecture, as opposed to a completely new architecture (Flash ³Next²) and language (ActionScript ³Next²). So Apache Flex doesn¹t have to worry about porting to a new VM/language. That should save us lots of time and distraction. Go Apache Flex!
Re: Flash Platform Whitepaper
The flip-side is that it might affect Win 8 (or rather Metro) success… That news is pretty disappointing. Of course this makes the HTML work all the more relevant… ;) Harbs On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:23 PM, sébastien Paturel wrote: > Good thing, we did not start to rewrite flex in AS4 :) > At least it proves that Adobe can change its strategic moves very quickly and > 180° is always possible, even if you can't count on it of course. > > Does this white paper mean that theres no plan to put Air on windows 8, even > in captive runtime like iOs? > it would be a very bad news for Flex on short term (as a multi target SDK) if > windows 8 has success and flex don't run on it. > > Le 30/01/2013 00:42, Alex Harui a écrit : >> Hi Folks, >> >> Adobe published an update to the Flash Platform Whitepaper today. Most of >> it doesn¹t directly affect us, but one item does: Adobe has decided to focus >> its future runtime development on top of the existing architecture, as >> opposed to a completely new architecture (Flash ³Next²) and language >> (ActionScript ³Next²). So Apache Flex doesn¹t have to worry about porting >> to a new VM/language. That should save us lots of time and distraction. >> >> Go Apache Flex! >
Re: Flash Platform Whitepaper
According to the whitepaper, there is no plans to support AIR on Windows 8 RT (ARM based processors, or tablets). Windows 8 (Intel based processors, or desktops), are still supported. I'm not surprised by this move. I see it more as a wait-and-see than anything else. Windows 8 RT has a *very* low take rate right now. If they are not supporting Linux, then not supporting Windows 8 RT is a no-brainer, at this time. I'm sure if Windows 8 RT becomes more popular they will re-evaluate which platforms they want to support. -Nick On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:23 AM, sébastien Paturel wrote: > Good thing, we did not start to rewrite flex in AS4 :) > At least it proves that Adobe can change its strategic moves very quickly > and 180° is always possible, even if you can't count on it of course. > > Does this white paper mean that theres no plan to put Air on windows 8, > even in captive runtime like iOs? > it would be a very bad news for Flex on short term (as a multi target SDK) > if windows 8 has success and flex don't run on it. > > Le 30/01/2013 00:42, Alex Harui a écrit : > > Hi Folks, >> >> Adobe published an update to the Flash Platform Whitepaper today. Most of >> it doesn¹t directly affect us, but one item does: Adobe has decided to >> focus >> its future runtime development on top of the existing architecture, as >> opposed to a completely new architecture (Flash ³Next²) and language >> (ActionScript ³Next²). So Apache Flex doesn¹t have to worry about porting >> to a new VM/language. That should save us lots of time and distraction. >> >> Go Apache Flex! >> > >
RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper
Actually I think they said they will have AIR on Win8, but they are not making anything special for the Metro interface or what Adobe seems to be calling the "Modern UI". However if you're not on the compatibility list it will show up for the desktop, but not the "Modern UI". "Flash Player release and debug players are available and supported for Windows 8 Desktop and Modern UI experiences on both x86/64 and ARM platforms." " Flash content not on the compatibility view list will not be displayed within Modern UI style Internet Explorer on Windows 8" -Original Message- From: Nicholas Kwiatkowski [mailto:nicho...@spoon.as] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:34 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Flash Platform Whitepaper According to the whitepaper, there is no plans to support AIR on Windows 8 RT (ARM based processors, or tablets). Windows 8 (Intel based processors, or desktops), are still supported. I'm not surprised by this move. I see it more as a wait-and-see than anything else. Windows 8 RT has a *very* low take rate right now. If they are not supporting Linux, then not supporting Windows 8 RT is a no-brainer, at this time. I'm sure if Windows 8 RT becomes more popular they will re-evaluate which platforms they want to support. -Nick
RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper
Oops missed my reference... Here it is support for Windows 8 but not the Modern UI " Adobe AIR is available and supported for Windows 8 Desktop on x86-based computers. Adobe currently has no plans to support Adobe AIR for Windows 8 Modern UI applications" -Original Message- From: Kessler CTR Mark J [mailto:mark.kessler@usmc.mil] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:59 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper Actually I think they said they will have AIR on Win8, but they are not making anything special for the Metro interface or what Adobe seems to be calling the "Modern UI". However if you're not on the compatibility list it will show up for the desktop, but not the "Modern UI". "Flash Player release and debug players are available and supported for Windows 8 Desktop and Modern UI experiences on both x86/64 and ARM platforms." " Flash content not on the compatibility view list will not be displayed within Modern UI style Internet Explorer on Windows 8" -Original Message- From: Nicholas Kwiatkowski [mailto:nicho...@spoon.as] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:34 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Flash Platform Whitepaper According to the whitepaper, there is no plans to support AIR on Windows 8 RT (ARM based processors, or tablets). Windows 8 (Intel based processors, or desktops), are still supported. I'm not surprised by this move. I see it more as a wait-and-see than anything else. Windows 8 RT has a *very* low take rate right now. If they are not supporting Linux, then not supporting Windows 8 RT is a no-brainer, at this time. I'm sure if Windows 8 RT becomes more popular they will re-evaluate which platforms they want to support. -Nick
RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper
Microsoft was sued and lost a court case regarding 'metro uh so they had to change it to 'modern ui' as far as I remember On Jan 31, 2013 4:59 PM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" wrote: > Actually I think they said they will have AIR on Win8, but they are not > making anything special for the Metro interface or what Adobe seems to be > calling the "Modern UI". However if you're not on the compatibility list > it will show up for the desktop, but not the "Modern UI". > > "Flash Player release and debug players are available and supported for > Windows 8 Desktop and Modern UI experiences on both x86/64 and ARM > platforms." > > " Flash content not on the compatibility view list will not be displayed > within Modern UI style Internet Explorer on Windows 8" > > -Original Message- > From: Nicholas Kwiatkowski [mailto:nicho...@spoon.as] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:34 AM > To: dev@flex.apache.org > Subject: Re: Flash Platform Whitepaper > > According to the whitepaper, there is no plans to support AIR on Windows 8 > RT (ARM based processors, or tablets). Windows 8 (Intel based processors, > or desktops), are still supported. > > I'm not surprised by this move. I see it more as a wait-and-see than > anything else. Windows 8 RT has a *very* low take rate right now. If they > are not supporting Linux, then not supporting Windows 8 RT is a no-brainer, > at this time. I'm sure if Windows 8 RT becomes more popular they will > re-evaluate which platforms they want to support. > > -Nick >
RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper
AIR is supported on Windows 8 desktop on x86 machines. mike chambers m...@adobe.com -Original Message- From: Kessler CTR Mark J [mailto:mark.kessler@usmc.mil] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:59 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper Actually I think they said they will have AIR on Win8, but they are not making anything special for the Metro interface or what Adobe seems to be calling the "Modern UI". However if you're not on the compatibility list it will show up for the desktop, but not the "Modern UI". "Flash Player release and debug players are available and supported for Windows 8 Desktop and Modern UI experiences on both x86/64 and ARM platforms." " Flash content not on the compatibility view list will not be displayed within Modern UI style Internet Explorer on Windows 8"
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i think i dindnt make myself clear, i was wondering if we could talk in skype or something cause i really need help and im running out of options, i would appreciate th help 2013/1/31 Mike Chambers > AIR is supported on Windows 8 desktop on x86 machines. > > mike chambers > > m...@adobe.com > > -Original Message- > From: Kessler CTR Mark J [mailto:mark.kessler@usmc.mil] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:59 AM > To: dev@flex.apache.org > Subject: RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper > > Actually I think they said they will have AIR on Win8, but they are not > making anything special for the Metro interface or what Adobe seems to be > calling the "Modern UI". However if you're not on the compatibility list > it will show up for the desktop, but not the "Modern UI". > > "Flash Player release and debug players are available and supported for > Windows 8 Desktop and Modern UI experiences on both x86/64 and ARM > platforms." > > " Flash content not on the compatibility view list will not be displayed > within Modern UI style Internet Explorer on Windows 8" > >
RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper
Feel free to email me directly : m...@adobe.com -Original Message- From: Alex Gatica [mailto:alex.gatica...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:58 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Flash Platform Whitepaper i think i dindnt make myself clear, i was wondering if we could talk in skype or something cause i really need help and im running out of options, i would appreciate th help 2013/1/31 Mike Chambers > AIR is supported on Windows 8 desktop on x86 machines. > > mike chambers > > m...@adobe.com > > -Original Message- > From: Kessler CTR Mark J [mailto:mark.kessler@usmc.mil] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:59 AM > To: dev@flex.apache.org > Subject: RE: Flash Platform Whitepaper > > Actually I think they said they will have AIR on Win8, but they are > not making anything special for the Metro interface or what Adobe > seems to be calling the "Modern UI". However if you're not on the > compatibility list it will show up for the desktop, but not the "Modern UI". > > "Flash Player release and debug players are available and supported > for Windows 8 Desktop and Modern UI experiences on both x86/64 and ARM > platforms." > > " Flash content not on the compatibility view list will not be > displayed within Modern UI style Internet Explorer on Windows 8" > >
