RE: barrier execution mode with DataFrame and dynamic allocation

[Ilya Matiach]

Hi Xiangrui,
Thank you for the quick reply and the great questions.

“How does mmlspark handle dynamic allocation? Do you have a watch thread on the 
driver to restart the job if there are more workers? And when the number of 
workers decrease, can training continue without driver involved?”
Currently in the released version, LightGBM doesn’t handle dynamic allocation – 
however, I do have an ongoing PR (https://github.com/Azure/mmlspark/pull/369) 
that I am working on to add dynamic allocation which detects if more workers 
have been added on the driver, saves the learner at the current iteration on 
the workers and then restarts the training process.  However, I haven’t fully 
tested it yet, I’ve seen some issues that I need to debug more and it needs 
some refactoring – I was hoping that by moving to barrier execution mode in 
Spark 2.4 I could resolve some of these issues.  The code also always saves the 
learner trained at the current iteration so when the number of workers decrease 
the job can be restarted.

“DataFrame/Dataset do not have APIs to let users scan through the entire 
partition. The closest is Pandas UDF, which scans data per batch.”
Sorry for my misunderstanding, isn’t this what mapPartitions does on DataFrame 
(similar to RDD) or why does it not scan through the entire partition?  Right 
now with barrier execution we have to do:
rdd.barrier().mapPartitions { ...code… }
but why can’t we do something like:
dataframe.barrier().mapPartitions { …code… }

“It will hang there and print warning messages. We didn't assume user code can 
correctly handle dynamic worker sizes.”
Isn’t this the usual case in user code however – that a DataFrame will have 
more partitions than there are workers?  In that case, is the user expected to 
know how many workers there are and repartition the dataframe to the number of 
workers always?  It seems like it would be better for barrier execution mode to 
do that repartitioning automatically then, no?

“Databricks (which I'm an employee of) implemented 
HorovodRunner<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatabricks.com%2Fblog%2F2018%2F11%2F19%2Fintroducing-horovodrunner-for-distributed-deep-learning-training.html&data=02%7C01%7Cilmat%40microsoft.com%7Cde26064ee8994f8ffd9108d665d5bb53%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636808365981864379&sdata=5AuWzSTEUIYL%2B%2FVCuYu4XeRMUJ6WazQ9JuJdsGlS18E%3D&reserved=0>,
 which fully utilizes barrier execution mode. There is also a work-in-process 
open-source integration of Horovod/PySpark from Horovod author. Doing 
distributed deep learning training was the main use case considered in the 
design.”
That is very cool!  I would be interested in taking a look at the 
Horovod/PySpark integration when it is available.

“Shall we have an offline meeting or open a JIRA to discuss more details about 
integrating mmlspark w/ barrier execution mode?”
Sure, that would be great, I’ve created a JIRA here: 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-26498.  I would like to help out 
with the effort and am interested to learn more about how we could enable 
dynamic allocation with barrier execution mode.

“(don't know why your email ends with ".invalid")”
I think that’s just what the spark dev email list does by default to email 
senders, I’ve seen it added to other emails on the mailing list before.

Thank you and Happy Holidays, Ilya

From: Xiangrui Meng 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 12:16 PM
To: Ilya Matiach 
Cc: dev@spark.apache.org
Subject: Re: barrier execution mode with DataFrame and dynamic allocation

(don't know why your email ends with ".invalid")

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:13 AM Xiangrui Meng 
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On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 7:34 AM Ilya Matiach 
mailto:il...@microsoft.com.invalid>> wrote:
>
> [Note: I sent this earlier but it looks like the email was blocked because I 
> had another email group on the CC line]
>
> Hi Spark Dev,
>
> I would like to use the new barrier execution mode introduced in spark 2.4 
> with LightGBM in the spark package mmlspark but I ran into some issues and I 
> had a couple questions.
>
> Currently, the LightGBM distributed learner tries to figure out the number of 
> cores on the cluster and then does a coalesce and a mapPartitions, and inside 
> the mapPartitions we do a NetworkInit (where the address:port of all workers 
> needs to be passed in the constructor) and pass the data in-memory to the 
> native layer of the distributed lightgbm learner.
>
>
>
> With barrier execution mode, I think the code would become much more robust.  
> However, there are several issues that I am running into when trying to move 
> my code over to the new barrier execution mode scheduler:
>
> Does not support dynamic allocation – however, I think it would be convenient 
> if it restarted the job when t

Re: barrier execution mode with DataFrame and dynamic allocation

[Xiangrui Meng]

(don't know why your email ends with ".invalid")

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:13 AM Xiangrui Meng  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 7:34 AM Ilya Matiach 
> wrote:
> >
> > [Note: I sent this earlier but it looks like the email was blocked
> because I had another email group on the CC line]
> >
> > Hi Spark Dev,
> >
> > I would like to use the new barrier execution mode introduced in spark
> 2.4 with LightGBM in the spark package mmlspark but I ran into some issues
> and I had a couple questions.
> >
> > Currently, the LightGBM distributed learner tries to figure out the
> number of cores on the cluster and then does a coalesce and a
> mapPartitions, and inside the mapPartitions we do a NetworkInit (where the
> address:port of all workers needs to be passed in the constructor) and pass
> the data in-memory to the native layer of the distributed lightgbm learner.
> >
> >
> >
> > With barrier execution mode, I think the code would become much more
> robust.  However, there are several issues that I am running into when
> trying to move my code over to the new barrier execution mode scheduler:
> >
> > Does not support dynamic allocation – however, I think it would be
> convenient if it restarted the job when the number of workers has decreased
> and allowed the dev to decide whether to restart the job if the number of
> workers increased
>
> How does mmlspark handle dynamic allocation? Do you have a watch thread on
> the driver to restart the job if there are more workers? And when the
> number of workers decrease, can training continue without driver involved?
>
> > Does not work with DataFrame or Dataset API, but I think it would be
> much more convenient if it did
>
> DataFrame/Dataset do not have APIs to let users scan through the entire
> partition. The closest is Pandas UDF, which scans data per batch. I'm
> thinking about the following:
>
> If we change Pandas UDF to take an iterator of record batches (instead of
> a single batch), and per contract we say this iterator will iterate through
> the entire partition. So you only need to do NetworkInit once.
>
> > How does barrier execution mode deal with #partitions > #tasks?  If the
> number of partitions is larger than the number of “tasks” or workers, can
> barrier execution mode automatically coalesce the dataset to have #
> partitions == # tasks?
>
> It will hang there and print warning messages. We didn't assume user code
> can correctly handle dynamic worker sizes.
>
> > It would be convenient to be able to get network information about all
> other workers in the cluster that are in the same barrier execution, eg the
> host address and some task # or identifier of all workers
>
> See getTaskInfos() at
> https://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/api/scala/index.html#org.apache.spark.BarrierTaskContext
> .
>
> We also provide a barrier() method there to assist simple coordination
> among workers.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I would love to hear more about this new feature – also I had trouble
> finding documentation (JIRA:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-24374, High level design:
> https://www.slideshare.net/hadoop/the-zoo-expands?qid=b2efbd75-97af-4f71-9add-abf84970eaef&v=&b=&from_search=1),
> are there any good examples of spark packages that have moved to use the
> new barrier execution mode in spark 2.4?
>
> Databricks (which I'm an employee of) implemented HorovodRunner
> ,
> which fully utilizes barrier execution mode. There is also a
> work-in-process open-source integration of Horovod/PySpark from Horovod
> author. Doing distributed deep learning training was the main use case
> considered in the design.
>
> Shall we have an offline meeting or open a JIRA to discuss more details
> about integrating mmlspark w/ barrier execution mode?
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you, Ilya
>

Re: barrier execution mode with DataFrame and dynamic allocation

[Xiangrui Meng]

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 7:34 AM Ilya Matiach 
wrote:
>
> [Note: I sent this earlier but it looks like the email was blocked
because I had another email group on the CC line]
>
> Hi Spark Dev,
>
> I would like to use the new barrier execution mode introduced in spark
2.4 with LightGBM in the spark package mmlspark but I ran into some issues
and I had a couple questions.
>
> Currently, the LightGBM distributed learner tries to figure out the
number of cores on the cluster and then does a coalesce and a
mapPartitions, and inside the mapPartitions we do a NetworkInit (where the
address:port of all workers needs to be passed in the constructor) and pass
the data in-memory to the native layer of the distributed lightgbm learner.
>
>
>
> With barrier execution mode, I think the code would become much more
robust.  However, there are several issues that I am running into when
trying to move my code over to the new barrier execution mode scheduler:
>
> Does not support dynamic allocation – however, I think it would be
convenient if it restarted the job when the number of workers has decreased
and allowed the dev to decide whether to restart the job if the number of
workers increased

How does mmlspark handle dynamic allocation? Do you have a watch thread on
the driver to restart the job if there are more workers? And when the
number of workers decrease, can training continue without driver involved?

> Does not work with DataFrame or Dataset API, but I think it would be much
more convenient if it did

DataFrame/Dataset do not have APIs to let users scan through the entire
partition. The closest is Pandas UDF, which scans data per batch. I'm
thinking about the following:

If we change Pandas UDF to take an iterator of record batches (instead of a
single batch), and per contract we say this iterator will iterate through
the entire partition. So you only need to do NetworkInit once.

> How does barrier execution mode deal with #partitions > #tasks?  If the
number of partitions is larger than the number of “tasks” or workers, can
barrier execution mode automatically coalesce the dataset to have #
partitions == # tasks?

It will hang there and print warning messages. We didn't assume user code
can correctly handle dynamic worker sizes.

> It would be convenient to be able to get network information about all
other workers in the cluster that are in the same barrier execution, eg the
host address and some task # or identifier of all workers

See getTaskInfos() at
https://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/api/scala/index.html#org.apache.spark.BarrierTaskContext
.

We also provide a barrier() method there to assist simple coordination
among workers.

>
>
>
> I would love to hear more about this new feature – also I had trouble
finding documentation (JIRA:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-24374, High level design:
https://www.slideshare.net/hadoop/the-zoo-expands?qid=b2efbd75-97af-4f71-9add-abf84970eaef&v=&b=&from_search=1),
are there any good examples of spark packages that have moved to use the
new barrier execution mode in spark 2.4?

Databricks (which I'm an employee of) implemented HorovodRunner
,
which fully utilizes barrier execution mode. There is also a
work-in-process open-source integration of Horovod/PySpark from Horovod
author. Doing distributed deep learning training was the main use case
considered in the design.

Shall we have an offline meeting or open a JIRA to discuss more details
about integrating mmlspark w/ barrier execution mode?

>
>
>
> Thank you, Ilya

barrier execution mode with DataFrame and dynamic allocation

[Ilya Matiach]

[Note: I sent this earlier but it looks like the email was blocked because I 
had another email group on the CC line]
Hi Spark Dev,
I would like to use the new barrier execution mode introduced in spark 
2.4
 with 
LightGBM
 in the spark package 
mmlspark
 but I ran into some issues and I had a couple questions.
Currently, the LightGBM distributed learner tries to figure out the number of 
cores on the cluster and then does a coalesce and a mapPartitions, and inside 
the mapPartitions we do a 
NetworkInit
 (where the address:port of all workers needs to be passed in the constructor) 
and pass the data in-memory to the native layer of the distributed lightgbm 
learner.

With barrier execution mode, I think the code would become much more robust.  
However, there are several issues that I am running into when trying to move my 
code over to the new barrier execution mode scheduler:

  1.  Does not support dynamic allocation - however, I think it would be 
convenient if it restarted the job when the number of workers has decreased and 
allowed the dev to decide whether to restart the job if the number of workers 
increased
  2.  Does not work with DataFrame or Dataset API, but I think it would be much 
more convenient if it did
  3.  How does barrier execution mode deal with #partitions > #tasks?  If the 
number of partitions is larger than the number of "tasks" or workers, can 
barrier execution mode automatically coalesce the dataset to have # partitions 
== # tasks?
  4.  It would be convenient to be able to get network information about all 
other workers in the cluster that are in the same barrier execution, eg the 
host address and some task # or identifier of all workers

I would love to hear more about this new feature - also I had trouble finding 
documentation (JIRA: 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-24374,
 High level design: 
https://www.slideshare.net/hadoop/the-zoo-expands?qid=b2efbd75-97af-4f71-9add-abf84970eaef&v=&b=&from_search=1),
 are there any good examples of spark packages that have moved to use the new 
barrier execution mode in spark 2.4?

Thank you, Ilya