Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Martin Grigorov]

Hi Andrea,

Thanks for resolving this!

I think the next step is to put the files in
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/wicket/common/site/trunk, next to the rest
of the site
This will make it easy to upload any improvements.
I don't like that we have to use SVN but this is how Apache PubSub works ...

I think it should not be a problem if the guide lists all contributors and
links to ComSysto, but I'll let Martijn to answer because he knows better
Apache's rules.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Andrea Del Bene wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have talked with the other guys in my company (comSysto) and this in
> short what come out:
>
> -comSysto has no problem to donate what is already done, i.e. the
> repository at https://github.com/comsysto/wicket-userguide (currently is
> private). In this case any reference to comSysto and any copyright note
> would be removed, the repo would became (of course) public and I would
> be the owner (not comSysto). That said, Apache we will be free (of
> course) of cloning it, forking it or moving it to the Apache server. In
> meantime we can change the URL of the guide and make it an apache-domain
> URL, like for example 'wicket.apache.org/guide' or 'wicketguide.apache.org
> '.
> -we would like to keep the current format for documentation (Grails doc
> gdoc) which is quite easy to work with and is already ready to go online.
> -the company would like to keep a basic kind of reference to its
> corporate site. Is this possible? Can we do, for example, a list of
> contributors? Any suggestion/idea about this point?
>
> Thank you for your contributions.
>
> PS: I guess that the new format of the guide, no matter what, will be
> mirrored on GitHub just like the code repository, right?
> > Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free
> Guide
> > into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually
> vote
> > to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an
> attachment
> > at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for
> reference,
> > so perhaps that one is more up to date.
> >
> > So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours):
> >
> > [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
> > [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> > PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using
> some
> > easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part
> of
> > this vote.
> >
> > [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321
> >
>
>

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Andrea Del Bene]

Hi,

I have talked with the other guys in my company (comSysto) and this in
short what come out:

-comSysto has no problem to donate what is already done, i.e. the
repository at https://github.com/comsysto/wicket-userguide (currently is
private). In this case any reference to comSysto and any copyright note
would be removed, the repo would became (of course) public and I would
be the owner (not comSysto). That said, Apache we will be free (of
course) of cloning it, forking it or moving it to the Apache server. In
meantime we can change the URL of the guide and make it an apache-domain
URL, like for example 'wicket.apache.org/guide' or 'wicketguide.apache.org'.
-we would like to keep the current format for documentation (Grails doc
gdoc) which is quite easy to work with and is already ready to go online. 
-the company would like to keep a basic kind of reference to its
corporate site. Is this possible? Can we do, for example, a list of
contributors? Any suggestion/idea about this point?
 
Thank you for your contributions.

PS: I guess that the new format of the guide, no matter what, will be
mirrored on GitHub just like the code repository, right?
> Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide
> into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote
> to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment
> at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference,
> so perhaps that one is more up to date.
>
> So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours):
>
> [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
> [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
>
> Martijn
>
> PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some
> easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of
> this vote.
>
> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321
>

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Igor Vaynberg]

[x] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project

-igor


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Martijn Dashorst <
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide
> into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote
> to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment
> at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference,
> so perhaps that one is more up to date.
>
> So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours):
>
> [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
> [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
>
> Martijn
>
> PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some
> easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of
> this vote.
>
> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321
>

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Carl-Eric Menzel]

I think it would help to have a neutral (i.e. Apache) host for the
documentation if you want to have more contributors. I'm pretty sure
many would be reluctant to contribute to something that is then
presented as "From this company that I don't actually work for".

To my untrained eye the legal situation seems to be alright. ComSysto
are well within their rights to host this documentation, it's
originally theirs after all. And don't get me wrong, it is definitely a
very good piece of work. Also, we could use Andrea's contribution to
the ASF and host that here.

But I think it would be very confusing for users if we had a second,
diverging version of the documentation at Apache.

I think it should either become the official documentation and live at
Apache, *or* it should be at ComSysto. Either way is fine, but not both.

Therefore, I'd like to change my vote to -0.5 until this is cleared up. 

Carl-Eric

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:10:48 +0200
Andrea Del Bene  wrote:

> I understand your concerns. The original plan was to bring it to
> GitHub to easily collect contributions also from other users, hence
> its repository should became public. However, this project is quite
> recent and is a work in progress and I must ask my colleagues and my
> boss for more details about it.
> That said, I still believe that the natural evolution of the guide is
> to be part of the project to become that free documentation that was 
> missing. In addition, I hope that under the Apache umbrella, it will
> be easier to maintain it and find other contributors.
> 
> 
> > Andrea,
> >
> > Does this mean that there will be two versions of the guide ? One
> > at Apache that uses the attachment in
> > WICKET-5321 and
> > another maintained by ComSysto ?
> > If YES then which one you will work on ? :-)
> >
> > I understand why Martijn wants the guide to be in ASF but my
> > concerns are that:
> > - there will be two versions of the guide and this will confuse the
> > users,
> > - and the ASF one will be behind the "commercially supported one"
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Andrea Del Bene
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> there's no problem from a legal point of view. My company started
> >> to convert the guide to HTML the same days Martijn asked me to
> >> join Wicket team and we (at comSysto) are planning to enrich it
> >> with some use-cases from our customers. That said, as long as you
> >> use my original guide, you don't have to be afraid of anything as
> >> it was published under Creative Commons by-nc-sa
> >> (http://creativecommons.org/**licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/)
> >> and you are free to modify and redistribute it. In addition,
> >> there's an explicit agreement between me and ASF that grants to
> >> this last one any right on this document for future
> >> usages/developments.
> >>
> >> Hope to have been clear.
> >>
> >> Andrea.
> >>
> >>   On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Martin Grigorov
> >>   wrote:
> >>>   -0
>  The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto -
>  Andrea's new employer.
>  [...] whether everything is still legal.
> 
>    I'll let Andrea comment on the ComSysto part.
> >>> As far as legal is concerned: if Andrea still intends to grant us
> >>> the guide, it is legal and within the ASF guidelines. AFAIK the
> >>> document was written by Andrea in his time and by him, and it is
> >>> his right to distribute
> >>> and license as he sees fit.
> >>>
> >>> Martijn
> >>>
> >>>
> 

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Andrea Del Bene]

I understand your concerns. The original plan was to bring it to GitHub 
to easily collect contributions also from other users, hence its 
repository should became public. However, this project is quite recent 
and is a work in progress and I must ask my colleagues and my boss for 
more details about it.
That said, I still believe that the natural evolution of the guide is to 
be part of the project to become that free documentation that was 
missing. In addition, I hope that under the Apache umbrella, it will be 
easier to maintain it and find other contributors.




Andrea,

Does this mean that there will be two versions of the guide ? One at Apache
that uses the attachment in
WICKET-5321 and
another maintained by ComSysto ?
If YES then which one you will work on ? :-)

I understand why Martijn wants the guide to be in ASF but my concerns are
that:
- there will be two versions of the guide and this will confuse the users,
- and the ASF one will be behind the "commercially supported one"


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Andrea Del Bene wrote:


Hi,

there's no problem from a legal point of view. My company started to
convert the guide to HTML the same days Martijn asked me to join Wicket
team and we (at comSysto) are planning to enrich it with some use-cases
from our customers. That said, as long as you use my original guide, you
don't have to be afraid of anything as it was published under Creative
Commons by-nc-sa 
(http://creativecommons.org/**licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/)
and you are free to modify and redistribute it.
In addition, there's an explicit agreement between me and ASF that grants
to this last one any right on this document for future usages/developments.

Hope to have been clear.

Andrea.

  On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Martin Grigorov 
wrote:

  -0

The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's
new employer.
[...] whether everything is still legal.

  I'll let Andrea comment on the ComSysto part.

As far as legal is concerned: if Andrea still intends to grant us the
guide, it is legal and within the ASF guidelines. AFAIK the document was
written by Andrea in his time and by him, and it is his right to
distribute
and license as he sees fit.

Martijn

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Martin Grigorov]

Andrea,

Does this mean that there will be two versions of the guide ? One at Apache
that uses the attachment in
WICKET-5321 and
another maintained by ComSysto ?
If YES then which one you will work on ? :-)

I understand why Martijn wants the guide to be in ASF but my concerns are
that:
- there will be two versions of the guide and this will confuse the users,
- and the ASF one will be behind the "commercially supported one"


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Andrea Del Bene wrote:

> Hi,
>
> there's no problem from a legal point of view. My company started to
> convert the guide to HTML the same days Martijn asked me to join Wicket
> team and we (at comSysto) are planning to enrich it with some use-cases
> from our customers. That said, as long as you use my original guide, you
> don't have to be afraid of anything as it was published under Creative
> Commons by-nc-sa 
> (http://creativecommons.org/**licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/)
> and you are free to modify and redistribute it.
> In addition, there's an explicit agreement between me and ASF that grants
> to this last one any right on this document for future usages/developments.
>
> Hope to have been clear.
>
> Andrea.
>
>  On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Martin Grigorov > >wrote:
>>
>>  -0
>>>
>>> The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's
>>> new employer.
>>> [...] whether everything is still legal.
>>>
>>>  I'll let Andrea comment on the ComSysto part.
>>
>> As far as legal is concerned: if Andrea still intends to grant us the
>> guide, it is legal and within the ASF guidelines. AFAIK the document was
>> written by Andrea in his time and by him, and it is his right to
>> distribute
>> and license as he sees fit.
>>
>> Martijn
>>
>>
>

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Andrea Del Bene]

Hi,

there's no problem from a legal point of view. My company started to 
convert the guide to HTML the same days Martijn asked me to join Wicket 
team and we (at comSysto) are planning to enrich it with some use-cases 
from our customers. That said, as long as you use my original guide, you 
don't have to be afraid of anything as it was published under Creative 
Commons by-nc-sa (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/) and 
you are free to modify and redistribute it.
In addition, there's an explicit agreement between me and ASF that 
grants to this last one any right on this document for future 
usages/developments.


Hope to have been clear.

Andrea.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Martin Grigorov wrote:


-0

The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's
new employer.
[...] whether everything is still legal.


I'll let Andrea comment on the ComSysto part.

As far as legal is concerned: if Andrea still intends to grant us the
guide, it is legal and within the ASF guidelines. AFAIK the document was
written by Andrea in his time and by him, and it is his right to distribute
and license as he sees fit.

Martijn

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Martijn Dashorst]

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Martin Grigorov wrote:

> -0
>
> The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's
> new employer.
> [...] whether everything is still legal.
>

I'll let Andrea comment on the ComSysto part.

As far as legal is concerned: if Andrea still intends to grant us the
guide, it is legal and within the ASF guidelines. AFAIK the document was
written by Andrea in his time and by him, and it is his right to distribute
and license as he sees fit.

Martijn

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Emond Papegaaij]

+1 to accept the Wicket Free Guide


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:14 PM,  wrote:

>
> > [X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
> > [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
>

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Martin Grigorov]

-0

The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's
new employer.
It lists few more authors now - Carsten Hufe, Christian Kroemer, Daniel
Bartl.

I'm not sure what ComSysto thinks about this vote and whether everything is
still legal.

1. http://wicketguide.comsysto.com/guide/index.html


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Michael Mosmann  wrote:

> [X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
>
> [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
>
> :)
>
> Am 18.08.2013 16:48, schrieb Martijn Dashorst:
>
>  Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free
>> Guide
>> into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote
>> to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment
>> at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference,
>> so perhaps that one is more up to date.
>>
>> So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours):
>>
>> [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
>> [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
>>
>> Martijn
>>
>> PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some
>> easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part
>> of
>> this vote.
>>
>> [1]: 
>> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/WICKET-5321
>>
>>
>

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Michael Mosmann]

[X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
[ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide

:)

Am 18.08.2013 16:48, schrieb Martijn Dashorst:

Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide
into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote
to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment
at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference,
so perhaps that one is more up to date.

So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours):

[ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
[ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide

Martijn

PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some
easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of
this vote.

[1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[cmenzel]

> [X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
> [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Sven Meier]

+1 to incorporate the Wicket Free Guide,

Sven

Martijn Dashorst  schrieb:

>Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide
>into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote
>to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment
>at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference,
>so perhaps that one is more up to date.
>
>So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours):
>
>[ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
>[ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
>
>Martijn
>
>PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some
>easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of
>this vote.
>
>[1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Jeremy Thomerson]

[X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Martijn Dashorst <
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > [X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
> > [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
> >
>
> Martijn
>



-- 
Jeremy Thomerson
http://wickettraining.com

Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Martijn Dashorst]

>
> [X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
> [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
>

Martijn

[VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket

[Martijn Dashorst]

Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide
into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote
to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment
at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference,
so perhaps that one is more up to date.

So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours):

[ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project
[ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide

Martijn

PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some
easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of
this vote.

[1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321