Re: gethostbyname() and resolv.conf updates

2010-06-20 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
2010/6/17 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org:
 Hello,

 xchat in Fedora needs to be restarted after switching to a different
 nameserver or it fails to resolve.

 The xchat developers say that all xchat does is call gethostbyname(). A
There was a topic 3 years ago  about replacing gethostby* functions by
getaddrinfo
Is this still relevant?

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2007-October/112483.html
http://udrepper.livejournal.com/16116.html

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Re: HEADS UP : mysql++ version 3.1.0 - ABI broken without soname bump

2010-06-20 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2010/6/20 Remi Collet fed...@famillecollet.com:
 Hi,

 I've just build latest version of mysql++ in rawhide.
 This version breaks ABI.

Thanks for the notice! I'll take care of SEMS rebuild.



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Re: New Hatari version: need help

2010-06-20 Thread Andrea Musuruane
2010/6/19 Alexander Boström a...@root.snowtree.se:
 lör 2010-06-19 klockan 19:32 +0200 skrev Andrea Musuruane:

 I do not know how should I threat those internal libraries. How should
 I package them? Because upstream uses static libraries the dynamic
 versions cmake creates are not versioned.

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Rpath_for_Internal_Libraries

I fail to see how this is relevant. Hatari do not use Rpath.

Regards,

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Re: New Hatari version: need help

2010-06-20 Thread Andrea Musuruane
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Chen Lei supercyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can open a RFE report against this package in bugzilla for review.

Can you point me to an example?

 For internal libs, if those libs are not libs from other project, you
 can simply use %cmake  -DBUILD_SHARED_LIBS:BOOL=OFF to avoid
 generation of those shlibs. Default place for python ui don't need
 change.

Internal libs are made by Hatari developers and therefore they haven't
a different upstream.

Thanks!

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Re: New Hatari version: need help

2010-06-20 Thread Dan Horák
Andrea Musuruane píše v Ne 20. 06. 2010 v 11:25 +0200: 
 2010/6/19 Alexander Boström a...@root.snowtree.se:
  lör 2010-06-19 klockan 19:32 +0200 skrev Andrea Musuruane:
 
  I do not know how should I threat those internal libraries. How should
  I package them? Because upstream uses static libraries the dynamic
  versions cmake creates are not versioned.
 
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Rpath_for_Internal_Libraries
 
 I fail to see how this is relevant. Hatari do not use Rpath.

hatari could use %{_libdir}/hatari with a rpath set for the internal
parts built as shared libraries. The easiest way is to disable building
shared libs when calling cmake as suggested earlier.


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Re: To construct a Zope skyscraper on Fedora

2010-06-20 Thread Robin 'cheese' Lee
On 06/20/2010 12:45 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
 On 06/20/2010 12:22 AM, Jonathan Steffan wrote:

 On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 21:08 +0800, Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote:
  
 The 'zope' package itself is most kept under the same conventions of the
 legacy 2.10.x 'zope' package.

 We have a unique opportunity to address many of the failings of the
 current zope namespace. We should get anyone interested (and willing to
 do the work) into a meeting soon. Every time I go back to building up
 zope again I run out of steam and end up just being frustrated. I
 foresee issues with splitting out every module in this stack but it just
 needs to be discussed. The current package layout is far from optimal
 and it's not the best idea to ship a default standalone instance with
 the package. Shipping standalone/zeo instance configs/etc. in
 subpackages is a far better idea. I've never been able to address this
 as there is just about no upgrade path (that I've been able to design)
 that would allow for a safe re-layout of the current package.

 We should consider the current zope namespace dead and start from
 scratch. It's far too complex of an application to be able to have
 everything in one namespace (speaking to zope2 vs zope3.) I've only
 briefly looked into all of the specs you've worked on and already can
 see we are going to run into issues with cross-product dependencies. I
 could be convinced that the zope namespace should be the latest 2.x
 and then address the need for zope 3 in the zope3 namespace. However,
 how do we distinguish a module built for zope 2 vs zope 3? This, again,
 could be solved but will need discussion.

 With zope 2.12 supporting py2.6, I think we might actually have a shot
 at making this work. However, immediately off the bat if we stick 2.12.x
 into zope what happens to grok? What packages are going to break? Too
 many things need zope 2.x so updating the zope namespace to zope 3
 would break a lot of good software. What happens to plone? Do we just
 ditch Plone 3 and only support Plone 4?[2]

 We could also modularize everything and have things like zope,
 plone, grok and zenoss have dependencies based on their release
 recipes. There are a lot of common modules in these projects, but they
 all have their own specific version requirements. This would be a lot of
 work and could potentially cause us to package ourselves into a corner
 where we are having to do absolute requires or just end up with broken
 software when absolute requirements are not properly documented.

 I really look forward to others being involved with this. Count me in
 for the SIG.[2]

 - Jonathan Steffan

 [1] http://plone.org/documentation/faq/plone-versions
 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Zope
  
 I agree, we've got lots to talk about.  The most important things are:
 1. Packaging guidelines
 2. Component upgrade guidelines
 3. Namespace issues (addressed above)
 4. Zope 2 vs Zope 3 (again, addressed above)

Zope 3 seems no more going, and a new project named BlueBream[1][2] 
replacing it is being developed.

There are also other blueprint-like and amazing projects[3][4] being 
worked on in the Zope world.

But after all, the most productive and widely used is still Zope 2 which 
should gets higher priority.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueBream
[2] https://launchpad.net/bluebream
[2] http://codespeak.net/z3/five/
[3] http://repoze.org/

 I think we should talk sooner rather than later.  Anyone want to setup a
 meeting time?

 Just an FYI, it is my current plan (probably because I am completely
 ignorant as to how much pain this will cause) is to simply package the
 latest version of all Zenoss dependencies and then work through whatever
 bugs I find.  I'm in a somewhat unique situation though in that I have
 the ability to commit to upstream.  This may be a less than ideal plan
 for other applications.

 As I mentioned to Jonathan on IRC, I think the best plan is to try to
 get something working'ish as soon as possible and then try to shakedown
 the details from there.  If we bog ourselves down in policy (an easy
 quagmire to get stuck in when in zopeland) we may get too discouraged to
 continue.  Not to dismiss what will be the very needed policy, I just
 want to make sure no-one gets burned out.

I agree with this. And so I packaged a working Zope2 before speaking 
anything publicly.
 One thing we may want to consider is a tenant policy.  That is, the
 zope stack as a whole has tenants (Zenoss, Plone, etc).  The tenants
 would be formally defined and any upgrade to any component in the
 platform would require signoff from all the tenants who depend on that
 component (or some derivation thereof).  I suspect that the short-term
 trade-off of buildouts/bundling is not as valuable as the long-term
 value of testing a software product across multiple versions of its
 dependencies.

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Re: To construct a Zope skyscraper on Fedora

2010-06-20 Thread Robin 'cheese' Lee
On 06/20/2010 12:22 PM, Jonathan Steffan wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 21:08 +0800, Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote:

 The 'zope' package itself is most kept under the same conventions of the
 legacy 2.10.x 'zope' package.
  
 With zope 2.12 supporting py2.6, I think we might actually have a shot
 at making this work. However, immediately off the bat if we stick 2.12.x
 into zope what happens to grok? What packages are going to break? Too
 many things need zope 2.x so updating the zope namespace to zope 3
 would break a lot of good software. What happens to plone? Do we just
 ditch Plone 3 and only support Plone 4?[2]

This is really worrying.

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Re: Update on packages violating the Static Library guidelines

2010-06-20 Thread Chen Lei
util-vserver556099 - CLOSED

FYI, util-vserver is re-enabled to ship static libraries again by the
maintainer now after spot disabled it.


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Re: Update on packages violating the Static Library guidelines

2010-06-20 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 19:56:23 +0800, Chen wrote:

 util-vserver556099 - CLOSED
 
 FYI, util-vserver is re-enabled to ship static libraries again by the
 maintainer now after spot disabled it.

Not a problem as long as it packages them in adherence to the Packaging
Guidelines (i.e. a separate -static package). The script I run has not
suggested to reopen the util-vserver ticket, and in koji I see a
util-vserver-static package. So, assumedly the packaging doesn't violate
the guidelines.
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Re: Problem with createrepo for modified DVD ISO

2010-06-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 17:07:02 -0400,
  Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote:
 
 Perhaps they are, and I will look into them. However, my curiosity has 
 been piqued, so I'd still like to know how it's supposed to be done. It 
 seems to me like it should be a somewhat straight forward task, so I am 
 curious about where my understanding has failed.

I think pungi is used for official releases, but that Fedora Unity uses
revisor for their respins. Either should be usable with mock to get
reproduceable builds. For one offs on the same arch as the builder,
you don't really need mock.
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Re: To construct a Zope skyscraper on Fedora

2010-06-20 Thread Felix Schwarz
Am 18.06.2010 15:08, schrieb Robin 'cheese' Lee:
 And I hope for the co-maintainership of following packages, which are
 required by Zope2:
(...)
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/python-zope-interface

I'm happy to grant you these :-)

fs

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Re: To construct a Zope skyscraper on Fedora

2010-06-20 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 06/20/2010 07:00 AM, Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote:
 On 06/20/2010 12:22 PM, Jonathan Steffan wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 21:08 +0800, Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote:

 The 'zope' package itself is most kept under the same conventions of the
 legacy 2.10.x 'zope' package.

 With zope 2.12 supporting py2.6, I think we might actually have a shot
 at making this work. However, immediately off the bat if we stick 2.12.x
 into zope what happens to grok? What packages are going to break? Too
 many things need zope 2.x so updating the zope namespace to zope 3
 would break a lot of good software. What happens to plone? Do we just
 ditch Plone 3 and only support Plone 4?[2]

 This is really worrying.


For our own sanity we are going to have to make some tough choices.  I 
don't think we can please everyone.  I do however, think we can please 
most people.

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Re: To construct a Zope skyscraper on Fedora

2010-06-20 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 06/20/2010 05:42 AM, Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote:
 On 06/20/2010 12:45 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
 On 06/20/2010 12:22 AM, Jonathan Steffan wrote:

 On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 21:08 +0800, Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote:

 The 'zope' package itself is most kept under the same conventions of the
 legacy 2.10.x 'zope' package.

 We have a unique opportunity to address many of the failings of the
 current zope namespace. We should get anyone interested (and willing to
 do the work) into a meeting soon. Every time I go back to building up
 zope again I run out of steam and end up just being frustrated. I
 foresee issues with splitting out every module in this stack but it just
 needs to be discussed. The current package layout is far from optimal
 and it's not the best idea to ship a default standalone instance with
 the package. Shipping standalone/zeo instance configs/etc. in
 subpackages is a far better idea. I've never been able to address this
 as there is just about no upgrade path (that I've been able to design)
 that would allow for a safe re-layout of the current package.

 We should consider the current zope namespace dead and start from
 scratch. It's far too complex of an application to be able to have
 everything in one namespace (speaking to zope2 vs zope3.) I've only
 briefly looked into all of the specs you've worked on and already can
 see we are going to run into issues with cross-product dependencies. I
 could be convinced that the zope namespace should be the latest 2.x
 and then address the need for zope 3 in the zope3 namespace. However,
 how do we distinguish a module built for zope 2 vs zope 3? This, again,
 could be solved but will need discussion.

 With zope 2.12 supporting py2.6, I think we might actually have a shot
 at making this work. However, immediately off the bat if we stick 2.12.x
 into zope what happens to grok? What packages are going to break? Too
 many things need zope 2.x so updating the zope namespace to zope 3
 would break a lot of good software. What happens to plone? Do we just
 ditch Plone 3 and only support Plone 4?[2]

 We could also modularize everything and have things like zope,
 plone, grok and zenoss have dependencies based on their release
 recipes. There are a lot of common modules in these projects, but they
 all have their own specific version requirements. This would be a lot of
 work and could potentially cause us to package ourselves into a corner
 where we are having to do absolute requires or just end up with broken
 software when absolute requirements are not properly documented.

 I really look forward to others being involved with this. Count me in
 for the SIG.[2]

 - Jonathan Steffan

 [1] http://plone.org/documentation/faq/plone-versions
 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Zope

 I agree, we've got lots to talk about.  The most important things are:
 1. Packaging guidelines
 2. Component upgrade guidelines
 3. Namespace issues (addressed above)
 4. Zope 2 vs Zope 3 (again, addressed above)

 Zope 3 seems no more going, and a new project named BlueBream[1][2]
 replacing it is being developed.

 There are also other blueprint-like and amazing projects[3][4] being
 worked on in the Zope world.

 But after all, the most productive and widely used is still Zope 2 which
 should gets higher priority.

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueBream
 [2] https://launchpad.net/bluebream
 [2] http://codespeak.net/z3/five/
 [3] http://repoze.org/

I suspect BlueBream solves our namespace issue; namely, the zope 
namespace will be zope2 only.

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Re: Problem with createrepo for modified DVD ISO

2010-06-20 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 17:07:02 -0400,
  Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote:

 Perhaps they are, and I will look into them. However, my curiosity has
 been piqued, so I'd still like to know how it's supposed to be done. It
 seems to me like it should be a somewhat straight forward task, so I am
 curious about where my understanding has failed.

 I think pungi is used for official releases, but that Fedora Unity uses
 revisor for their respins. Either should be usable with mock to get
 reproduceable builds. For one offs on the same arch as the builder,
 you don't really need mock.

Mock helps to keep things in their own chroot!   By the way is there
any way to build a 64 bit iso using mock/chroot running in a 32 bit
version of Fedora?

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Re: DMitry

2010-06-20 Thread Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)

 19.06.2010 20:34, Ian Baker ?:

Hello to all.

The subject package is currently orphaned and I'm thinking of taking 
it over.


One problem I can foresee is that, as far as I can tell, there's no 
longer an upstream maintainer and at least one patch is required to 
fix compilation issues (warnings) and the code needs a general tidy-up.


I could maintain the patches locally, or as a small pet project I 
could take over upstream maintenance which shouldn't require much work 
as the codebase is small.


Any suggestions and advice would be appreciated and I'm new so please 
go easy!


Thanks.

Ian
In the similar situation with dead upstream of trafshow I was told 
became upstream developer for it if I want see it in Fedora.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510651
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Re: DMitry

2010-06-20 Thread ianrichardba...@gmail.com
Thanks for the information. 

I have tried to contact upstream with no success, their website hasn't been 
updated in a while, and the latest sources appear to be five years old.

There hasn't been a package update in three months so I'll submit as new after 
I fix a few issues.

Thanks.

Ian




- Reply message -
From: Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) fo...@hubbitus.com.ru
Date: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 22:41
Subject: DMitry
To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

  19.06.2010 20:34, Ian Baker ?:
 Hello to all.

 The subject package is currently orphaned and I'm thinking of taking 
 it over.

 One problem I can foresee is that, as far as I can tell, there's no 
 longer an upstream maintainer and at least one patch is required to 
 fix compilation issues (warnings) and the code needs a general tidy-up.

 I could maintain the patches locally, or as a small pet project I 
 could take over upstream maintenance which shouldn't require much work 
 as the codebase is small.

 Any suggestions and advice would be appreciated and I'm new so please 
 go easy!

 Thanks.

 Ian
In the similar situation with dead upstream of trafshow I was told 
became upstream developer for it if I want see it in Fedora.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510651


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rfc: give koji diff capabilities

2010-06-20 Thread David Timms
Probably thought of a million times, but was wondering whether it would 
be possible, and useful to give diff capabilities within the koji web 
interface.

eg: x86_64 build
...
Output  build.log  (tail)
 root.log (tail)
 state.log (tail)
could become:
Output  build.log  (tail)  (diff)
 root.log (tail)(diff)
 state.log (tail)   (diff)

hovering over diff would cause a (json) load of options:
- diff -u with other arch:
   i686, ppc, ppc64
- diff -u with other version:
   list other builds in this release (eg devel): 4.3-1, 4.3-4,
- diff -u with other release:
   list other releases of same version that have been built: f12, f13

The diff could be generated to look like a viewvc side by side diff.
Bonus points if the diff ignores things like:
- tmp file names (/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.trZK8P)
- log address: 0x2b9c82662f90
- builder: x86-05.phx2.fedoraproject.org

Previously, I found the build logs rather boring; by saving each 
locally, then running meld on them, I immediately see what has changed 
between eg F12 and devel.

Any comments (other than 'show me the money/code') ?
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Re: rfc: give koji diff capabilities

2010-06-20 Thread Thomas Spura
Am Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:32:07 +1000
schrieb David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au:

 Probably thought of a million times, but was wondering whether it
 would be possible, and useful to give diff capabilities within the
 koji web interface.
 
 eg: x86_64 build
 ...
 Output  build.log  (tail)
  root.log (tail)
  state.log (tail)
 could become:
 Output  build.log  (tail)  (diff)
  root.log (tail)(diff)
  state.log (tail)   (diff)
 
 hovering over diff would cause a (json) load of options:
 - diff -u with other arch:
i686, ppc, ppc64
 - diff -u with other version:
list other builds in this release (eg devel): 4.3-1, 4.3-4,
 - diff -u with other release:
list other releases of same version that have been built: f12, f13
 
 The diff could be generated to look like a viewvc side by side diff.
 Bonus points if the diff ignores things like:
 - tmp file names (/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.trZK8P)
 - log address: 0x2b9c82662f90
 - builder: x86-05.phx2.fedoraproject.org
 
 Previously, I found the build logs rather boring; by saving each 
 locally, then running meld on them, I immediately see what has
 changed between eg F12 and devel.
 
 Any comments (other than 'show me the money/code') ?

I don't see a benefit of that... When a build fails, it kills all
other current builds of other architectures, so you need to check that
architecture, that fails first and the diff would not contain the error.

Other that that. The diff would show, different which different
packages are installed, e.g. gcc.i386 instead of gcc.x86_64, which
doesn't interest me either...
(And different requires etc.)

What would be the benefit of such a feature?

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Re: To construct a Zope skyscraper on Fedora

2010-06-20 Thread Robin 'cheese' Lee
On 06/20/2010 11:08 PM, Felix Schwarz wrote:
 Am 18.06.2010 15:08, schrieb Robin 'cheese' Lee:

 And I hope for the co-maintainership of following packages, which are
 required by Zope2:
  
 (...)

 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/python-zope-interface
  
 I'm happy to grant you these :-)

 fs


Thanks!

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Minutes/Summary for the 2010-06-15 FESCo meeting

2010-06-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-06-15)
===

Meeting started by mjg59 at 19:35:11 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-06-15/fesco.2010-06-15-19.35.log.html

Meeting summary
---
* init process  (mjg59, 19:36:01)
  * kylem and nirik unable to attend today  (mjg59, 19:36:30)

* #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation
  (mjg59, 19:36:47)
  * ACTION: mclasen to look over critpath documentation  (mjg59,
19:40:18)

* #382 Implementing Stable Release Vision  (mjg59, 19:41:12)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision
(mjg59, 19:49:10)
  * ACTION: fesco to continue to update

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision_implementation_ideas
and aim to produce a comprehensive policy for the board  (mjg59,
19:56:41)

* #387  (mjg59, 19:57:18)

* #387 compile list of supported CPUs and react to recent loss of
  support for Geode LX on F13  (mjg59, 19:57:24)
  * AGREED: dsd_ to post a patch to disable 686 assembler optimisations
for glibc for f13  (mjg59, 20:39:30)
  * AGREED: more research on the details of building i586 separately to
be carried out before deciding on f14  (mjg59, 20:40:18)

* #394 F14Feature: MeeGo 1.0
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MeeGo_1.0  (mjg59, 20:41:18)
  * AGREED: Meego 1.0 is an F14 feature  (mjg59, 20:46:12)

* #395 F14Feature: Sugar 0.90
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Sugar_0.90  (mjg59, 20:46:27)
  * AGREED: Sugar 0.90 is an F14 feature  (mjg59, 20:47:47)

* #396 F14Feature: systemd -
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/systemd  (mjg59, 20:48:02)
  * AGREED: Systemd is a feature for F14  (mjg59, 21:00:57)

* Open Floor  (mjg59, 21:04:26)

* FES ticket updates -
  https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-engineering-services/report/6  (mjg59,
  21:05:07)

* Open Floor  (mjg59, 21:07:00)

Meeting ended at 21:08:52 UTC.

Action Items

* mclasen to look over critpath documentation
* fesco to continue to update
  
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision_implementation_ideas
  and aim to produce a comprehensive policy for the board

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19:35:17 mjg59 #meetingname fesco
19:35:17 zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
19:35:36 mjg59 #chair mjg59 mclasen notting SMParrish_mobile ajax pjones 
cwickert
19:35:36 zodbot Current chairs: SMParrish_mobile ajax cwickert mclasen mjg59 
notting pjones
19:35:52 mjg59 We're missing kyle and nirik
19:36:01 mjg59 #topic init process
19:36:05 pjones zodbot uses LC_COLLATE=en_US .  Ew.
19:36:13 mclasen kyle said he might not make it (still in UK)
19:36:20 mjg59 Yeah
19:36:22 mjg59 Ok
19:36:30 mjg59 #info kylem and nirik unable to attend today
19:36:37 mjg59 Ok, shall we start?
19:36:47 mjg59 #topic #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on 
implementation
19:36:48 pjones oh, wait, I'm backwards.
19:36:50 mjg59 .fesco 351
19:36:51 zodbot mjg59: #351 (Create a policy for updates) - FESCo - Trac - 
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351
19:37:02 mjg59 Anyone got anything to say on this this week?
19:37:15 notting no change on my end from this week. jlaska was doing some 
critpath documentation
19:37:51 mjg59 Anyone else?
19:37:57 mclasen did lukes bodhi update happen ?
19:38:06 mjg59 lmacken: Around?
19:38:10 * mclasen should know this, but doesn't...
19:38:17 jlaska notting: feel free to make suggestions, I'm missing important 
critpath information for maintainers -- 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages
19:39:06 * mclasen will look it over after the meeting too
19:39:32 * cwickert is here...
19:40:02 jlaska mclasen: thx
19:40:18 mjg59 #action mclasen to look over critpath documentation
19:40:33 mjg59 Anyone else? Or shall we move on?
19:40:57 mjg59 (going once.. twice...)
19:41:12 mjg59 #topic #382 Implementing Stable Release Vision
19:41:13 * cwickert thinks that the KDE list of critical path is way to short
19:41:34 mjg59 cwickert: We've had that conversation - unfortunately it seems 
difficult to come up with a better one that doesn't cover pretty much the 
entirity of KDE
19:42:18 mjg59 And an overly broad critpath would likely serve as a deterrent 
to maintainers at the moment. If KDE ends up looking bad compared to the rest 
of the distribution, then with luck that's something they'll pay attention to
19:42:32 cwickert mjg59: well, the Xfce critpath covers half of Xfce, the 
LXDE one too
19:42:44 pjones cwickert: sure, but those are both smaller than kde, right?
19:43:07 cwickert yes, but the percentage is way higher
19:43:12 cwickert anyway, lets move on
19:43:45 mjg59 Ok, 

Re: rpms/xml-security-c/EL-6 xml-security-c.spec,1.5,1.6

2010-06-20 Thread Dennis Gilmore
umm why did you make that change?

On Sunday, June 20, 2010 03:06:32 pm stevetraylen wrote:
 Author: stevetraylen
 
 Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/xml-security-c/EL-6
 In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv2536
 
 Modified Files:
   xml-security-c.spec
 Log Message:
 EPEL5 one better than F12 for EPEL6.
 
 
 
 Index: xml-security-c.spec
 ===
 RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/xml-security-c/EL-6/xml-security-c.spec,v
 retrieving revision 1.5
 retrieving revision 1.6
 diff -u -p -r1.5 -r1.6
 --- xml-security-c.spec   21 Aug 2009 16:32:47 -  1.5
 +++ xml-security-c.spec   20 Jun 2010 20:06:31 -  1.6
 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
  Name:   xml-security-c
  Version:1.5.1
 -Release:2%{?dist}
 +Release:1%{?dist}
  Summary:C++ Implementation of W3C security standards for XML
 
  Group:  System Environment/Libraries
 @@ -81,9 +81,6 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
  # %doc CHANGELOG.txt
 
  %changelog
 -* Fri Aug 21 2009 Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com - 1.5.1-2
 -- rebuilt with new openssl
 -
  * Tue Jul 28 2009 Antti Andreimann antti.andreim...@mail.ee 1.5.1-1
  - New upstream relase (#513078)
  - Fixes CVE-2009-0217 (#511915)


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headsup: ghc-6.12.3

2010-06-20 Thread Jens Petersen
I built ghc-6.12.3 for F14.  This will require rebuilding all
ghc library packages, which I and the Haskell SIG will be doing
over the coming days - the meantime please bear with us with
the broken dependencies...

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Re: Fedora rawhide FTBFS status 2010-06-01 x86_64

2010-06-20 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Matt Domsch wrote:
 Fedora Fails To Build From Source Results for x86_64
 using rawhide from 2010-06-01

[cut]

Question 1:
Suppose package A fails to build from source due to a bug in package B
that is listed in package A's BuildRequires. Now that package B gets
fixed, and it is possible to build package A from source without any
modification. Do we need to bump A's release and do the rebuild in
this case?

Question 2:
What is the likelihood of a mass rebuild in this cycle?

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Re: To construct a Zope skyscraper on Fedora

2010-06-20 Thread Chen Lei
2010/6/21 Nathaniel McCallum nathan...@natemccallum.com:
 On 06/20/2010 05:42 AM, Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote:

 I suspect BlueBream solves our namespace issue; namely, the zope
 namespace will be zope2 only.

 Nathaniel
 --
Agree, all zope components won't have any namespace conflict issue now
as I known. Packaging them as normal python modules is Okay, but since
Zope2 contains more than 100 modules, packaging/maintaining so many
modules is not easy work.


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Re: Fedora rawhide FTBFS status 2010-06-01 x86_64

2010-06-20 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 10:24:27PM -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Matt Domsch wrote:
  Fedora Fails To Build From Source Results for x86_64
  using rawhide from 2010-06-01
 
 [cut]
 
 Question 1:
 Suppose package A fails to build from source due to a bug in package B
 that is listed in package A's BuildRequires. Now that package B gets
 fixed, and it is possible to build package A from source without any
 modification. Do we need to bump A's release and do the rebuild in
 this case?

No.  List in bug A that it Depends on the bug number for B.  Close
the bug against A once package B is fixed and its own bug closed.
 
 Question 2:
 What is the likelihood of a mass rebuild in this cycle?

I've heard rumors that it's likely, but I don't know for certain what
the trigger would be this time.  Likely a glibc or gcc change.

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Re: To construct a Zope skyscraper on Fedora

2010-06-20 Thread Chen Lei
2010/6/20 Nathaniel McCallum nathan...@natemccallum.com:
 We have a unique opportunity to address many of the failings of the
 current zope namespace. We should get anyone interested (and willing to
 do the work) into a meeting 
 I think we should talk sooner rather than later.  Anyone want to setup a
 meeting time?

 Just an FYI, it is my current plan (probably because I am completely
 ignorant as to how much pain this will cause) is to simply package the
 latest version of all Zenoss dependencies and then work through whatever
 bugs I find.  I'm in a somewhat unique situation though in that I have
 the ability to commit to upstream.  This may be a less than ideal plan
 for other applications.

 As I mentioned to Jonathan on IRC, I think the best plan is to try to
 get something working'ish as soon as possible and then try to shakedown
 the details from there.  If we bog ourselves down in policy (an easy
 quagmire to get stuck in when in zopeland) we may get too discouraged to
 continue.  Not to dismiss what will be the very needed policy, I just
 want to make sure no-one gets burned out.

 One thing we may want to consider is a tenant policy.  That is, the
 zope stack as a whole has tenants (Zenoss, Plone, etc).  The tenants
 would be formally defined and any upgrade to any component in the
 platform would require signoff from all the tenants who depend on that
 component (or some derivation thereof).  I suspect that the short-term
 trade-off of buildouts/bundling is not as valuable as the long-term
 value of testing a software product across multiple versions of its
 dependencies.

 Nathaniel


I still suggest to do enough investigation first for two reason:

1.Packaging the whole zope stack is a heavy workload( we need some
tools to simply our works)
2.Currently. no linux distributions include zope yet.

I think we need to set up a third party repo first like texlive 2010
before finally determined to submit those components for package
review.


Chen Lei
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