Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[John Brooks]

Hi,

On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:01 AM, christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote:

> Hi Jonni
> 
> Could you please confirm whether or not it will be possible to send SMSes 
> direct from an app? (from your reply below it seems this will not be 
> possible).

As Robin said, the only API we’re supporting initially is the ability to launch 
the messaging application to send a SMS, particularly via a sms: URL.The reason 
for that is simple: most of the relevant middleware is not yet written to offer 
any API guarantees, and we intend to change it quite a bit in updates going 
forward. We don’t have documentation, and couldn’t offer any promise that 
applications using those APIs would continue working after updates.

>From my understanding, store applications are only supposed to use supported 
>API. I’m not sure of the specifics of how that works; maybe one of the Harbor 
>guys could answer?

> My app Landed on Harmattan could send SMS directly - indeed it is the 
> raison-d'etre for the app, and it is obvious to the user that he is sending 
> an SMS (so no problems of secret bypassing...).
> 
> My understanding was that it should be possible to send SMS from an app on 
> Sailfish using Telepathy.

It is possible, and it will install and work without any modification to the 
device. It isn’t documented or properly supported, and it may change in 
incompatible ways at any time, for now. I realize that’s not ideal, but it’s 
still very early in creating a platform, and we need the flexibility to improve 
things.

> I would be thankful for clarification on this issue.

I hope that helps.

—
John Brooks
Jolla

> 
> Chris
> 
> Zitat von "Jonni Rainisto" :
> 
>> Afaik, if you try to send sms, it opens default messaging application where 
>> you can enter the sms. And same for outgoing phonecalls, opens phone 
>> application where you can make a call.
>> 
>> Reasoning behind it is that as those call create a phone bill to end user, 
>> then applications are not allowed to secretly bypass default applications. 
>> But dont take my word on it, its just AFAIK on store QA process.
>> 
>> But ofcourse if you enable developer mode you can do what ever you want. I'm 
>> not familiar with that side of middleware, so someone else can comment more.
>> 
>> re, Jonni
>> 
>> 
>> From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org 
>> [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Seppo Tiainen 
>> [seppo.tiai...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:19 PM
>> To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
>> Subject: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Does anybody know about a possible module and its status in Sailfish/Qt-5 
>> that corresponds to Harmattan Qt Mobility Messaging so that it would be 
>> possible to send and receive SMSs (which is essential in my app) through 
>> Qt/QML on the Jolla phone?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Seppo
>> 
> 
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[christopher . lamb]

Hi Seppo

My definition of SMS is exactly the same as yours.

You will find some older questions from me on the subject of Telepathy  
and SMSes in the archive of this mailing list.


Chris

Zitat von "Seppo Tiainen" :


OK, my mistake. So you can use Telepathy service to control the 'real' SMS.
Need to study more. Thanks.


2013/11/15 Andrey Kozhevnikov 


 Telepathy is not protocol. Its service controlling all system-wide
accounts including ring, sms, mms services.


On 15.11.2013 22:22, Seppo Tiainen wrote:

I just want to point out what exactly I meant by SMS: Short Message
Service of a mobile network (GSM/2G/3G/LTE) provided by the network
operators. To me, Telepathy protocol is something else (chat using SIP
etc.).

 Regards,
Seppo


2013/11/15 


Hi Jonni

Could you please confirm whether or not it will be possible to send SMSes
direct from an app? (from your reply below it seems this will not be
possible).

My app Landed on Harmattan could send SMS directly - indeed it is the
raison-d'etre for the app, and it is obvious to the user that he is sending
an SMS (so no problems of secret bypassing...).

My understanding was that it should be possible to send SMS from an app
on Sailfish using Telepathy.

I would be thankful for clarification on this issue.

Chris

Zitat von "Jonni Rainisto" :


 Afaik, if you try to send sms, it opens default messaging application

where you can enter the sms. And same for outgoing phonecalls, opens phone
application where you can make a call.

Reasoning behind it is that as those call create a phone bill to end
user, then applications are not allowed to secretly bypass default
applications. But dont take my word on it, its just AFAIK on store QA
process.

But ofcourse if you enable developer mode you can do what ever you want.
I'm not familiar with that side of middleware, so someone else can comment
more.

re, Jonni


From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [
devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Seppo Tiainen [
seppo.tiai...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:19 PM
To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
Subject: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

Hi,

Does anybody know about a possible module and its status in
Sailfish/Qt-5 that corresponds to Harmattan Qt Mobility Messaging so that
it would be possible to send and receive SMSs (which is essential in my
app) through Qt/QML on the Jolla phone?

Thanks,
Seppo





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Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[Seppo Tiainen]

OK, my mistake. So you can use Telepathy service to control the 'real' SMS.
Need to study more. Thanks.


2013/11/15 Andrey Kozhevnikov 

>  Telepathy is not protocol. Its service controlling all system-wide
> accounts including ring, sms, mms services.
>
>
> On 15.11.2013 22:22, Seppo Tiainen wrote:
>
> I just want to point out what exactly I meant by SMS: Short Message
> Service of a mobile network (GSM/2G/3G/LTE) provided by the network
> operators. To me, Telepathy protocol is something else (chat using SIP
> etc.).
>
>  Regards,
> Seppo
>
>
> 2013/11/15 
>
>> Hi Jonni
>>
>> Could you please confirm whether or not it will be possible to send SMSes
>> direct from an app? (from your reply below it seems this will not be
>> possible).
>>
>> My app Landed on Harmattan could send SMS directly - indeed it is the
>> raison-d'etre for the app, and it is obvious to the user that he is sending
>> an SMS (so no problems of secret bypassing...).
>>
>> My understanding was that it should be possible to send SMS from an app
>> on Sailfish using Telepathy.
>>
>> I would be thankful for clarification on this issue.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Zitat von "Jonni Rainisto" :
>>
>>
>>  Afaik, if you try to send sms, it opens default messaging application
>>> where you can enter the sms. And same for outgoing phonecalls, opens phone
>>> application where you can make a call.
>>>
>>> Reasoning behind it is that as those call create a phone bill to end
>>> user, then applications are not allowed to secretly bypass default
>>> applications. But dont take my word on it, its just AFAIK on store QA
>>> process.
>>>
>>> But ofcourse if you enable developer mode you can do what ever you want.
>>> I'm not familiar with that side of middleware, so someone else can comment
>>> more.
>>>
>>> re, Jonni
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [
>>> devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Seppo Tiainen [
>>> seppo.tiai...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:19 PM
>>> To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
>>> Subject: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Does anybody know about a possible module and its status in
>>> Sailfish/Qt-5 that corresponds to Harmattan Qt Mobility Messaging so that
>>> it would be possible to send and receive SMSs (which is essential in my
>>> app) through Qt/QML on the Jolla phone?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Seppo
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[Andrey Kozhevnikov]

Telepathy is not protocol. Its service controlling all system-wide 
accounts including ring, sms, mms services.


On 15.11.2013 22:22, Seppo Tiainen wrote:
I just want to point out what exactly I meant by SMS: Short Message 
Service of a mobile network (GSM/2G/3G/LTE) provided by the network 
operators. To me, Telepathy protocol is something else (chat using SIP 
etc.).


Regards,
Seppo


2013/11/15 >


Hi Jonni

Could you please confirm whether or not it will be possible to
send SMSes direct from an app? (from your reply below it seems
this will not be possible).

My app Landed on Harmattan could send SMS directly - indeed it is
the raison-d'etre for the app, and it is obvious to the user that
he is sending an SMS (so no problems of secret bypassing...).

My understanding was that it should be possible to send SMS from
an app on Sailfish using Telepathy.

I would be thankful for clarification on this issue.

Chris

Zitat von "Jonni Rainisto" mailto:jonni.raini...@jolla.com>>:


Afaik, if you try to send sms, it opens default messaging
application where you can enter the sms. And same for outgoing
phonecalls, opens phone application where you can make a call.

Reasoning behind it is that as those call create a phone bill
to end user, then applications are not allowed to secretly
bypass default applications. But dont take my word on it, its
just AFAIK on store QA process.

But ofcourse if you enable developer mode you can do what ever
you want. I'm not familiar with that side of middleware, so
someone else can comment more.

re, Jonni


From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org

[devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org
] on behalf of
Seppo Tiainen [seppo.tiai...@gmail.com
]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:19 PM
To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org 
Subject: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

Hi,

Does anybody know about a possible module and its status in
Sailfish/Qt-5 that corresponds to Harmattan Qt Mobility
Messaging so that it would be possible to send and receive
SMSs (which is essential in my app) through Qt/QML on the
Jolla phone?

Thanks,
Seppo




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Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[Seppo Tiainen]

I just want to point out what exactly I meant by SMS: Short Message Service
of a mobile network (GSM/2G/3G/LTE) provided by the network operators. To
me, Telepathy protocol is something else (chat using SIP etc.).

Regards,
Seppo


2013/11/15 

> Hi Jonni
>
> Could you please confirm whether or not it will be possible to send SMSes
> direct from an app? (from your reply below it seems this will not be
> possible).
>
> My app Landed on Harmattan could send SMS directly - indeed it is the
> raison-d'etre for the app, and it is obvious to the user that he is sending
> an SMS (so no problems of secret bypassing...).
>
> My understanding was that it should be possible to send SMS from an app on
> Sailfish using Telepathy.
>
> I would be thankful for clarification on this issue.
>
> Chris
>
> Zitat von "Jonni Rainisto" :
>
>
>  Afaik, if you try to send sms, it opens default messaging application
>> where you can enter the sms. And same for outgoing phonecalls, opens phone
>> application where you can make a call.
>>
>> Reasoning behind it is that as those call create a phone bill to end
>> user, then applications are not allowed to secretly bypass default
>> applications. But dont take my word on it, its just AFAIK on store QA
>> process.
>>
>> But ofcourse if you enable developer mode you can do what ever you want.
>> I'm not familiar with that side of middleware, so someone else can comment
>> more.
>>
>> re, Jonni
>>
>> 
>> From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-bounces@lists.
>> sailfishos.org] on behalf of Seppo Tiainen [seppo.tiai...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:19 PM
>> To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
>> Subject: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anybody know about a possible module and its status in Sailfish/Qt-5
>> that corresponds to Harmattan Qt Mobility Messaging so that it would be
>> possible to send and receive SMSs (which is essential in my app) through
>> Qt/QML on the Jolla phone?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Seppo
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[Jonni Rainisto]

Hi,

Sorry, I'm not familiar with that part of middleware (or Harbour QA rules), so 
I'm unable to say yes or no. Maybe someone else can comment on this (or you 
need to wait for few weeks until devices hit the market and see it yourself).

re, Jonni

From: christopher.l...@thurweb.ch [christopher.l...@thurweb.ch]
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 5:01 PM
To: Sailfish OS Developers; Jonni Rainisto
Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

Hi Jonni

Could you please confirm whether or not it will be possible to send
SMSes direct from an app? (from your reply below it seems this will
not be possible).

My app Landed on Harmattan could send SMS directly - indeed it is the
raison-d'etre for the app, and it is obvious to the user that he is
sending an SMS (so no problems of secret bypassing...).

My understanding was that it should be possible to send SMS from an
app on Sailfish using Telepathy.

I would be thankful for clarification on this issue.

Chris

Zitat von "Jonni Rainisto" :

> Afaik, if you try to send sms, it opens default messaging
> application where you can enter the sms. And same for outgoing
> phonecalls, opens phone application where you can make a call.
>
> Reasoning behind it is that as those call create a phone bill to end
> user, then applications are not allowed to secretly bypass default
> applications. But dont take my word on it, its just AFAIK on store
> QA process.
>
> But ofcourse if you enable developer mode you can do what ever you
> want. I'm not familiar with that side of middleware, so someone else
> can comment more.
>
> re, Jonni
>
> 
> From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org
> [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Seppo Tiainen
> [seppo.tiai...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:19 PM
> To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
> Subject: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anybody know about a possible module and its status in
> Sailfish/Qt-5 that corresponds to Harmattan Qt Mobility Messaging so
> that it would be possible to send and receive SMSs (which is
> essential in my app) through Qt/QML on the Jolla phone?
>
> Thanks,
> Seppo
>



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Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[christopher . lamb]

Hi Jonni

Could you please confirm whether or not it will be possible to send  
SMSes direct from an app? (from your reply below it seems this will  
not be possible).


My app Landed on Harmattan could send SMS directly - indeed it is the  
raison-d'etre for the app, and it is obvious to the user that he is  
sending an SMS (so no problems of secret bypassing...).


My understanding was that it should be possible to send SMS from an  
app on Sailfish using Telepathy.


I would be thankful for clarification on this issue.

Chris

Zitat von "Jonni Rainisto" :

Afaik, if you try to send sms, it opens default messaging  
application where you can enter the sms. And same for outgoing  
phonecalls, opens phone application where you can make a call.


Reasoning behind it is that as those call create a phone bill to end  
user, then applications are not allowed to secretly bypass default  
applications. But dont take my word on it, its just AFAIK on store  
QA process.


But ofcourse if you enable developer mode you can do what ever you  
want. I'm not familiar with that side of middleware, so someone else  
can comment more.


re, Jonni


From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org  
[devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Seppo Tiainen  
[seppo.tiai...@gmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:19 PM
To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
Subject: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

Hi,

Does anybody know about a possible module and its status in  
Sailfish/Qt-5 that corresponds to Harmattan Qt Mobility Messaging so  
that it would be possible to send and receive SMSs (which is  
essential in my app) through Qt/QML on the Jolla phone?


Thanks,
Seppo





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Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[Seppo Tiainen]

Thank you! That clarified things.

Seppo


2013/11/14 Robin Burchell 

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Seppo Tiainen 
> wrote:
> > Yes, that's the way to go. In Harmattan QML, there were:
> >
> >  Qt.openUrlExternally("tel:012345x") for calls, and
> >  Qt.openUrlExternally("sms:01234567444" + "?body=" + "bodytext") for
> SMSs.
>
> tel: is already supported. sms: is not yet supported, and may not be
> supported in the initial software release, but is the planned initial
> public "API" for messaging and should not be complicated to support.
> I've made sure we try to prioritize it for an early update. We do not
> intend to expose the capability to directly send SMS to store-using
> applications for the reasons Jonni mentioned earlier. However: this
> does not restrict people from hacking around with the functionality on
> their own devices.
>
> The Messaging API from Qt Mobility never made the transition to the Qt
> 5 world, and we have no intentions of working on this at this time.
>
> BR,
>
> Robin
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[Robin Burchell]

Hi,

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Seppo Tiainen  wrote:
> Yes, that's the way to go. In Harmattan QML, there were:
>
>  Qt.openUrlExternally("tel:012345x") for calls, and
>  Qt.openUrlExternally("sms:01234567444" + "?body=" + "bodytext") for SMSs.

tel: is already supported. sms: is not yet supported, and may not be
supported in the initial software release, but is the planned initial
public "API" for messaging and should not be complicated to support.
I've made sure we try to prioritize it for an early update. We do not
intend to expose the capability to directly send SMS to store-using
applications for the reasons Jonni mentioned earlier. However: this
does not restrict people from hacking around with the functionality on
their own devices.

The Messaging API from Qt Mobility never made the transition to the Qt
5 world, and we have no intentions of working on this at this time.

BR,

Robin
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[Seppo Tiainen]

Yes, that's the way to go. In Harmattan QML, there were:

 Qt.openUrlExternally("tel:012345x") for calls, and
 Qt.openUrlExternally("sms:01234567444" + "?body=" + "bodytext") for SMSs.

The latter did not work for me so I had to use Harmattan c++ Qt Messaging:

 QMessage sms;
 sms.setType(QMessage::Sms);
 sms.setBody(message);
 iMessageService.compose(sms);

All these would open the default phone call or text messaging application
for the user to do the final decision.

I'm just wondering if these or similar tools will be made available on
SailfishOS. I haven't seen any yet.

Any observations? Will SMS messaging tools, along the lines above, be
available for Sailfish app development?

Cheers,
Seppo



2013/11/13 Jonni Rainisto 

>  Afaik, if you try to send sms, it opens default messaging application
> where you can enter the sms. And same for outgoing phonecalls, opens phone
> application where you can make a call.
>
> Reasoning behind it is that as those call create a phone bill to end user,
> then applications are not allowed to secretly bypass default applications.
> But dont take my word on it, its just AFAIK on store QA process.
>
> But ofcourse if you enable developer mode you can do what ever you want.
> I'm not familiar with that side of middleware, so someone else can comment
> more.
>
> re, Jonni
>
>  --
> *From:* devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [
> devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Seppo Tiainen [
> seppo.tiai...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:19 PM
> *To:* devel@lists.sailfishos.org
> *Subject:* [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?
>
>   Hi,
>
> Does anybody know about a possible module and its status in Sailfish/Qt-5
> that corresponds to Harmattan Qt Mobility Messaging so that it would be
> possible to send and receive SMSs (which is essential in my app) through
> Qt/QML on the Jolla phone?
>
>  Thanks,
> Seppo
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

[Jonni Rainisto]

Afaik, if you try to send sms, it opens default messaging application where you 
can enter the sms. And same for outgoing phonecalls, opens phone application 
where you can make a call.

Reasoning behind it is that as those call create a phone bill to end user, then 
applications are not allowed to secretly bypass default applications. But dont 
take my word on it, its just AFAIK on store QA process.

But ofcourse if you enable developer mode you can do what ever you want. I'm 
not familiar with that side of middleware, so someone else can comment more.

re, Jonni


From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] 
on behalf of Seppo Tiainen [seppo.tiai...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:19 PM
To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
Subject: [SailfishDevel] Status of Sailfish SMS?

Hi,

Does anybody know about a possible module and its status in Sailfish/Qt-5 that 
corresponds to Harmattan Qt Mobility Messaging so that it would be possible to 
send and receive SMSs (which is essential in my app) through Qt/QML on the 
Jolla phone?

Thanks,
Seppo
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