Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi David, all, David Nelson schrieb: Hi Bernard, :-) On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 04:35, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used). Please do not suggest to people to start editing the site content at this particular time. Sorry for the "or" - but Johannes' replies already showed, that he wants to subscribe to the website list at first, where I'd like to see his valuable comments. I still hope that he might become a member of the group working on the website on the long term. I am currently producing the initial content in liaison with Italo Vignoli,[...]The site can be ready in just a very few days now. That's great - I'm looking forwards to seeing your structure and content. With real content in the web pages the team will hopefully overcome the time with just a few contributions (mainly by people helping out from the native lang website teams) to the active pages, while the main work has been done in the background preparing the Drupal structure. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Johannes A. Bodwing December 8, 2010 10:20 PM: Stands LO in the competition with every other Office-Suite? Or will it be a work for fun till the fun is gone and than there will be something else (like it was said some times ago on OOo in a greater dispute)? Of course. If LO accepts this challenge (competition with other Suites), than everything is based on the next question: What has to do that LO becomes the best Office Suite, better than the rest and for a long time? That so many people as possible are sure of LO is the best they could find for Office-Work in private and business or profession. First, being known, and when I say being know I mean being exposed at least a dozen times per year to any prospect user, as this is the number of times they read about MS Office. When you reach this first target, then we can discuss about other targets. In Italy, when we have reached this objective we have realized that we were at 15% market share, with 50 volunteers, no money at all, the product that you know and a lame web site. Something similar happened in France and Germany. And this leads automaticly to the most useful website-design, to the best marketing, the features we need, how many money, how many people and so on. In my opinion OOo ignored this to long. And LO copies some of that. TDF will have some money, but not enough money to compete with MS Office, some people, but not as many as MS Office, some features, but features are just bullshit for 80% of users (provided that LO has all the features needed by this 80% of users, which is already true), but we will have more fun, more enthusiasm and more brainpower than MS. TDF will be a case history for guerrilla marketing, not for marketing warfare. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Johannes, all,
Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb:
[...]
But another Sorry - I think this point ("Wow") has to be discussed
basicly, not only for the website. Because the style of the website will
just follow the fundamental goals of LO/TDF.
The basic goals of the foundation are presented on the website:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/
First paragraph "Our mission"
For LibO there is the "Next Decade Manifesto":
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto
but we already started a discussion about our goals in two threads here
and on the marketing mailing list (linked from the contribute web page
like the website list).
Please search for subjects like "Briefing" and "LibO Mission Statement".
These discussions have been postponed until the present workload
(release of LibO 3.3.0) has been reduced, but after that we'll discuss
these topics with major impact on our marketing, branding and general
positioning (including product shaping).
Thorsten Wilms already created a wiki page about this topic.
See his mail on the marketing list:
If you want, you can add your thoughts there,
so they will not be forgot when we start this discussion...
Best regards
Bernhard
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Johannes A. Bodwing December 8, 2010 10:20 PM: Stands LO in the competition with every other Office-Suite? Or will it be a work for fun till the fun is gone and than there will be something else (like it was said some times ago on OOo in a greater dispute)? Of course. If LO accepts this challenge (competition with other Suites), than everything is based on the next question: What has to do that LO becomes the best Office Suite, better than the rest and for a long time? That so many people as possible are sure of LO is the best they could find for Office-Work in private and business or profession. First, being known, and when I say being know I mean being exposed at least a dozen times per year to any prospect user, as this is the number of times they read about MS Office. When you reach this first target, then we can discuss about other targets. In Italy, when we have reached this objective we have realized that we were at 15% market share, with 50 volunteers, no money at all, the product that you know and a lame web site. Something similar happened in France and Germany. And this leads automaticly to the most useful website-design, to the best marketing, the features we need, how many money, how many people and so on. In my opinion OOo ignored this to long. And LO copies some of that. TDF will have some money, but not enough money to compete with MS Office, some people, but not as many as MS Office, some features, but features are just bullshit for 80% of users (provided that LO has all the features needed by this 80% of users, which is already true), but we will have more fun, more enthusiasm and more brainpower than MS. TDF will be a case history for guerrilla marketing, not for marketing warfare. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Johannes A. Bodwing December 8, 2010 10:20 PM: Stands LO in the competition with every other Office-Suite? Or will it be a work for fun till the fun is gone and than there will be something else (like it was said some times ago on OOo in a greater dispute)? Of course. If LO accepts this challenge (competition with other Suites), than everything is based on the next question: What has to do that LO becomes the best Office Suite, better than the rest and for a long time? That so many people as possible are sure of LO is the best they could find for Office-Work in private and business or profession. First, being known, and when I say being know I mean being exposed at least a dozen times per year to any prospect user, as this is the number of times they read about MS Office. When you reach this first target, then we can discuss about other targets. In Italy, when we have reached this objective we have realized that we were at 15% market share, with 50 volunteers, no money at all, the product that you know and a lame web site. Something similar happened in France and Germany. And this leads automaticly to the most useful website-design, to the best marketing, the features we need, how many money, how many people and so on. In my opinion OOo ignored this to long. And LO copies some of that. TDF will have some money, but not enough money to compete with MS Office, some people, but not as many as MS Office, some features, but features are just bullshit for 80% of users (provided that LO has all the features needed by this 80% of users, which is already true), but we will have more fun, more enthusiasm and more brainpower than MS. TDF will be a case history for guerrilla marketing, not for marketing warfare. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Johannes, * Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb: Hi Bernhard, ... Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used). I have no spare time, but I'll try to squeeze it into 24 hours of the day - where can I find this website mailing list? On http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ : # webs...@libreoffice.org: Discussions on maintaining and enhancing our website, wiki, planet and other infrastructure Subscription: website+subscr...@libreoffice.org Digest subscription: website+subscribe-dig...@libreoffice.org Archives: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ Mail-Archive.com: http://www.mail-archive.com/webs...@libreoffice.org/ GMANE: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Bernard, :-) On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 04:35, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you have > some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with the > built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used). Please do not suggest to people to start editing the site content at this particular time. I am currently producing the initial content in liaison with Italo Vignoli, and we will never get finished if everybody jumps in wildly... The site can be ready in just a very few days now. Before, other members of the website team had weeks and weeks to work on it, and did practically nothing. So please just allow Italo and I to get this finished quickly? It will be better for the community as a whole. ;-) If so, thank you for your understanding. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Bernhard, ... Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used). I have no spare time, but I'll try to squeeze it into 24 hours of the day - where can I find this website mailing list? Thank You, Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hello,
...
Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb:
Sorry people,
...
As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it
here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org
But I think that's not the first page for www.libreoffice.org at this
state of the project.
Why?
LO and TDF are at the beginning. So many people don't know what it is
and why they should use it.
In this phase the Start-Side or Home-Side has to be created under the
points of marketing, as a "Wow"-Side.
Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if
you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly
(with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used).
I've thought it is discussed in this thread. But OK, I'll look at the
website mailing list next days.
But another Sorry - I think this point ("Wow") has to be discussed
basicly, not only for the website. Because the style of the website will
just follow the fundamental goals of LO/TDF.
And for that the very first question is:
Stands LO in the competition with every other Office-Suite? Or will it
be a work for fun till the fun is gone and than there will be something
else (like it was said some times ago on OOo in a greater dispute)?
If LO accepts this challenge (competition with other Suites), than
everything is based on the next question:
What has to do that LO becomes the best Office Suite, better than the
rest and for a long time? That so many people as possible are sure of LO
is the best they could find for Office-Work in private and business or
profession.
And this leads automaticly to the most useful website-design, to the
best marketing, the features we need, how many money, how many people
and so on.
In my opinion OOo ignored this to long. And LO copies some of that.
Johannes
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi Johannes, * Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb: Sorry people, ... As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org But I think that's not the first page for www.libreoffice.org at this state of the project. Why? LO and TDF are at the beginning. So many people don't know what it is and why they should use it. In this phase the Start-Side or Home-Side has to be created under the points of marketing, as a "Wow"-Side. Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used). Any help is highly appreciated! Best regards Bernhard [... removed the proposal ...] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Sorry people 2, Sorry people, ... *Get It!* two lines below should stand on the right side of the website, big and as a Link. writing texts drawing *Get It !* [as a Link to the Download-Side] spreadsheet and many more Than follows the rest: ... Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Sorry people, ... As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org But I think that's not the first page for www.libreoffice.org at this state of the project. Why? LO and TDF are at the beginning. So many people don't know what it is and why they should use it. In this phase the Start-Side or Home-Side has to be created under the points of marketing, as a "Wow"-Side. That means as a rough example - one clicks www.libreoffice.org and gets: Welcome to LibreOffice the Office-Collection that improves your work in writing texts drawing *Get It !* [as a Link to the Download-Side] spreadsheet and many more Than follows the rest: More Information about LibreOffice [as a Link] What is The Document Foundation doing [as a Link] Involving, Supporting eg. Later on, when LO is widely established, could a Start-Side like the actual follow. But now LO needs a clever marketing-based Start-Side to "catch" the user. A side that makes clear: that's just the right Office-Suite for me and for what I am doing. Please don't copy OOo. In my opinion they did and do the same failure, to make a more functional side but no side to inspire people for their Suite. Regards, Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Am 08.12.2010 10:49, schrieb Harold Fuchs: >> By "static site" you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ? >> By "live site" you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ? > > These two links point at the same place. ??? Yes. But only as long as the LibO website did not go public. As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
"Stefan Weigel" wrote in message news:4cff5031.6000...@bildungskreis.org... Hi, (I am redirecting this to the website mailing list.) Am 08.12.2010 08:36, schrieb Sebastian Spaeth: I bet the content of the static site would be rpelicated within a day, and improving the live site would be much more motivating than playing with something that has *test* in its name :) By "static site" you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ? By "live site" you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ? These two links point at the same place. ??? -- Harold Fuchs London, England -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi, (I am redirecting this to the website mailing list.) Am 08.12.2010 08:36, schrieb Sebastian Spaeth: > I bet the content of the static site would be rpelicated within a day, > and improving the live site would be much more motivating than playing > with something that has *test* in its name :) By "static site" you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ? By "live site" you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ? Yes? Please, please, please, nobody please replicate the content from the static site on the live site. Again: documentfoundation.org is about TDF libreoffice.org is about the software There sure will be links from one to the other. But both sites have different focus, different target and different content. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now* (was:deb installer - have to manually modify link)
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:18:52 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: > I'd assume they wait for publishing. I can't see any reason, why to keep > the building process of the page behind the sceenes. Everything > regarding tdf is beta[1] - why not the website?? +1 I bet the content of the static site would be rpelicated within a day, and improving the live site would be much more motivating than playing with something that has *test* in its name :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
