Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package

2010-01-04 Thread Pieter De Graef 
Similarly to the Mapfish framework, there is another alternative, called 
Geomajas. This too is a client-server framework with all the necessary 
building blocks for building full GIS web applications.


All projects have to carry their own history and thus the main 
difference between the projects is the technology choices that were 
made. Geomajas uses a Java back-end based on Geotools and Hibernate 
Spatial (if you need domain logic). The client uses either Javascript 
(Dojo) - stable release - like the other projects or GWT (Java) - 
unstable release.
Although the GWT version is not finished yet, it has the advantage of 
requiring only one language to program everything in.



Eric Lemoine schreef:

On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Bob Basques  wrote:
  

John (and others),

I keep forgetting to relay this little tidbit.  GeoMoose is built on top of 
OpenLayers, so all of it's data sources are theoretically, feasible as 
datsources as well.

The Map View is all OpenLayers.



Hi everyone

I should first mention that I'm one of the developpers of OpenLayers,
GeoExt and MapFish.

I recently took a quick look at GeoMoose (2.0). From my understanding
GeoMoose provides an OpenLayers-based application that can be
customized by editing configuration files. It provides an
out-of-the-box solution that makes it easy for non-developers to
create web-mapping applications with typical tools (search, measure
distances/areas, etc.). People from GeoMoose, please correct me if my
understanding is wrong or inaccurate.

In contrast, GeoExt doesn't provide an application, it provides a
JavaScript library, based on which developers can create applications.
GeoExt is complementary to OpenLayers, it brings RIA (Rich Internet
Applications) type components, like a layer tree, a legend panel, a
feature grid, etc. I think the GeoExt examples concretely show what
GeoExt provides and how to use GeoExt.

MapFish is a complete framework for creating web-mapping apps. I won't
describe MapFish in detail here, but I just want to make it clear that
MapFish does not either provide an application, it is a framework for
developers to create OpenLayers- and GeoExt-based web-mapping user
interfaces. Basically MapFish provides tools to create
"ready-to-extend" web-mapping apps, and to create web services for
searching and editing geographic objects.

Thanks, and west wishes to all for 2010,


  


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package

2009-12-29 Thread Stefan Tzeggai 
Hi

On Monday 28 December 2009 23:40:52 John Callahan wrote:
> I'm looking for a web mapping package that can be used to show 15 - 20
> datasets at once.  These data just need to be turned on/off and maybe an
> identify/query feature.  Data are points, lines, polygons, and rasters
> (aerial imagery, DEMs, etc...)   Basically, I'm looking for a way to show
> these datasets to a few dozen colleagues located in various depts.
> 

It's not a typical web mapping solution, but you may want to look at 
Geopublisher. You would have to convert the vector data to Shapes, and the 
raster data to GeoTIff or ArcASCII and then it should be pretty straight 
forward to produce a CD or a JavaWebStart atlas that shows you data. 

http://en.geopublishing.org/Geopublisher 

Greetz
Steve
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[OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package

2009-12-29 Thread Eric Lemoine 
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Bob Basques  wrote:
> John (and others),
>
> I keep forgetting to relay this little tidbit.  GeoMoose is built on top of 
> OpenLayers, so all of it's data sources are theoretically, feasible as 
> datsources as well.
>
> The Map View is all OpenLayers.

Hi everyone

I should first mention that I'm one of the developpers of OpenLayers,
GeoExt and MapFish.

I recently took a quick look at GeoMoose (2.0). From my understanding
GeoMoose provides an OpenLayers-based application that can be
customized by editing configuration files. It provides an
out-of-the-box solution that makes it easy for non-developers to
create web-mapping applications with typical tools (search, measure
distances/areas, etc.). People from GeoMoose, please correct me if my
understanding is wrong or inaccurate.

In contrast, GeoExt doesn't provide an application, it provides a
JavaScript library, based on which developers can create applications.
GeoExt is complementary to OpenLayers, it brings RIA (Rich Internet
Applications) type components, like a layer tree, a legend panel, a
feature grid, etc. I think the GeoExt examples concretely show what
GeoExt provides and how to use GeoExt.

MapFish is a complete framework for creating web-mapping apps. I won't
describe MapFish in detail here, but I just want to make it clear that
MapFish does not either provide an application, it is a framework for
developers to create OpenLayers- and GeoExt-based web-mapping user
interfaces. Basically MapFish provides tools to create
"ready-to-extend" web-mapping apps, and to create web services for
searching and editing geographic objects.

Thanks, and west wishes to all for 2010,


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package

2009-12-28 Thread Cédric Moullet 
Hi John,
Another viewer alternative is GeoExt (www.geoext.org). You can have a look
at the samples http://www.geoext.org/examples.html#examples and a mappanel
together with a layer tree allows you to create easily a map viewer. As
GeoExt uses OpenLayers, all OpenLayers formats are supported.
If you need server capabilities, MapFish server (www.mapfish.org) let's you
create easily REST services (CRUD) in order to expose/analyse geospatial
data stored in PostGIS. See the quickstart:
http://www.mapfish.org/doc/1.2/quickstart.html.
Best regards,
Cédric


On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Bob Basques wrote:

>  John,
>
> For the most part, GeoMoose relies on what MapServer can serve up.  With
> the exception of Aerial Photo's, the tiling of data doesn't really help all
> that much (IMO) with performance issues.  The OGR/Tiling/indexing can be
> used, but even it goes through MapServer.  All of my Aerial photo datasets
> run this route as well.
>
> There are a couple of folks on the GeoMoose list that have brought up the
> idea of using tiled services.  And I imagine the support will be in GeoMoose
> sommetime in the near future, you can get more info from the GeoMoose list
> on that.
>
> With the right indexing you can get pretty good performance, see here:
>
> https://gis.ci.stpaul.mn.us/gis/gismo_public/html/
> http://sandy.utah.gov/gis/
> http://gis.co.benton.mn.us:8081/geomoose/BentonCountyGIS.html
>
> or for more . . . .
>
>
> http://www.geomoose.org/moose1/index.php?option=com_weblinks&catid=19&Itemid=27
>
>
> bobb
>
>
>
>
>
> John Callahan wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob.  Yes, GeoMoose does seem impressive for what it can do out of
> the box.  I noticed there is a GeoMoose mailing list and will likely signup
> for that.  Quick question though: can the GeoMoose interface directly
> display png tiles (e.g., output from gdal2tiles/maptiler) or do rasters need
> to go through mapserver first?  (I have some imagery and openstreetmap data
> I think would be best served through TMS tiles rather than mapserver raster
> data sources.)
>
> - John
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Bob Basques 
> wrote:
>
>>  John,
>>
>>  First off, I'm close to the GeoMoose project, now having said that. . .
>>
>>  GeoMoose will implement way faster out of the box.
>>
>>  Usually, the biggest hurdle, is if you need to change the projection of
>> the data you are displaying.  If all your data is in the same projection,
>> it's not a problem at all, pretty much can be a plug and play with the
>> datasets using the samples that come with the GeoMoose package.  If you need
>> to pull data from other projections and overlay them onto your datasets then
>> things get decidedly trickier (in any application for that matter), although
>> once you have one layer working , it's usually not too big a deal to get
>> others working in GeoMoose too.
>>
>>  Don't take my word for it though.  I'm sure others will pop on here and
>> reply too, although, you might want to try the Mapserver list with the
>> question as well, there might be some other viewers out there as well that
>> might fit the bill.
>>
>>  bobb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> John Callahan  wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for a web mapping package that can be used to show 15 - 20
>> datasets at once. These data just need to be turned on/off and maybe an
>> identify/query feature. Data are points, lines, polygons, and rasters
>> (aerial imagery, DEMs, etc...) Basically, I'm looking for a way to show
>> these datasets to a few dozen colleagues located in various depts.
>>
>> So far, MapGuide OS and GeoMoose seem to be the two best options. I have
>> used Mapserver and Postgis before and could use these again. Vectors are
>> mostly shapefiles and rasters are img or ESRI grids (I could convert to png
>> tiles using GDAL or something similar.)
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts on the ease of setup/config of GeoMoose vs MapGuide OS? Any
>> other obvious packages I'm missing? (I know about ka-map but don't think
>> it's being developed, and may not add anything over GeoMoose/MapGuide.) In
>> the past, I've used ArcIMS and ArcGIS Server for such a purpose. However,
>> I'm looking for an open source solution.
>>
>> If all goes well, we may develop a more sophisticated application in the
>> future but for right now, viewing the data is most important. Thanks for
>> your help.
>>
>> - John
>>
>> **
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>> Delaware Geological Survey, University of Delaware
>> URL: http://www.dgs.udel.edu
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package

2009-12-28 Thread Bob Basques 

John,

For the most part, GeoMoose relies on what MapServer can serve up.  With 
the exception of Aerial Photo's, the tiling of data doesn't really help 
all that much (IMO) with performance issues.  The OGR/Tiling/indexing 
can be used, but even it goes through MapServer.  All of my Aerial photo 
datasets run this route as well.


There are a couple of folks on the GeoMoose list that have brought up 
the idea of using tiled services.  And I imagine the support will be in 
GeoMoose sommetime in the near future, you can get more info from the 
GeoMoose list on that.


With the right indexing you can get pretty good performance, see here: 


https://gis.ci.stpaul.mn.us/gis/gismo_public/html/
http://sandy.utah.gov/gis/
http://gis.co.benton.mn.us:8081/geomoose/BentonCountyGIS.html

or for more . . . .

http://www.geomoose.org/moose1/index.php?option=com_weblinks&catid=19&Itemid=27


bobb





John Callahan wrote:
Thanks Bob.  Yes, GeoMoose does seem impressive for what it can do out 
of the box.  I noticed there is a GeoMoose mailing list and will 
likely signup for that.  Quick question though: can the GeoMoose 
interface directly display png tiles (e.g., output from 
gdal2tiles/maptiler) or do rasters need to go through mapserver 
first?  (I have some imagery and openstreetmap data I think would be 
best served through TMS tiles rather than mapserver raster data sources.)


- John




On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Bob Basques 
mailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:


John,


First off, I'm close to the GeoMoose project, now having said
that. . .


GeoMoose will implement way faster out of the box.


Usually, the biggest hurdle, is if you need to change the
projection of the data you are displaying.  If all your data is in
the same projection, it's not a problem at all, pretty much can be
a plug and play with the datasets using the samples that come with
the GeoMoose package.  If you need to pull data from other
projections and overlay them onto your datasets then things get
decidedly trickier (in any application for that matter), although
once you have one layer working , it's usually not too big a deal
to get others working in GeoMoose too.


Don't take my word for it though.  I'm sure others will pop on
here and reply too, although, you might want to try the Mapserver
list with the question as well, there might be some other viewers
out there as well that might fit the bill.


bobb






>>> John Callahan mailto:john.calla...@udel.edu>> wrote:

I'm looking for a web mapping package that can be used to show 15
- 20 datasets at once. These data just need to be turned on/off
and maybe an identify/query feature. Data are points, lines,
polygons, and rasters (aerial imagery, DEMs, etc...) Basically,
I'm looking for a way to show these datasets to a few dozen
colleagues located in various depts.

So far, MapGuide OS and GeoMoose seem to be the two best options.
I have used Mapserver and Postgis before and could use these
again. Vectors are mostly shapefiles and rasters are img or ESRI
grids (I could convert to png tiles using GDAL or something similar.)


Any thoughts on the ease of setup/config of GeoMoose vs MapGuide
OS? Any other obvious packages I'm missing? (I know about ka-map
but don't think it's being developed, and may not add anything
over GeoMoose/MapGuide.) In the past, I've used ArcIMS and ArcGIS
Server for such a purpose. However, I'm looking for an open source
solution.

If all goes well, we may develop a more sophisticated application
in the future but for right now, viewing the data is most
important. Thanks for your help.

- John

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Delaware Geological Survey, University of Delaware
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package

2009-12-28 Thread Bob Basques 
John (and others),

I keep forgetting to relay this little tidbit.  GeoMoose is built on top of 
OpenLayers, so all of it's data sources are theoretically, feasible as 
datsources as well.

The Map View is all OpenLayers.

bobb




>>> John Callahan  12/28/09 7:09 PM >>>
Thanks percy.  No, I hadn't thought of that.  OpenLayers always gives me the
impression of one layer at a time, and doesn't usually include a layer list
that you can check on/off.  However, I'm sure with some thinking on WMS
services with transparent backgrounds vs TMS layer backgrounds, I might be
able to come up with something.   I'll look through the examples at
http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/.  Thanks for the idea.

- John


On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:16 PM, percy  wrote:

> John, have you thought about just using OpenLayers with Mapserver, just
> modify one of the existing examples to point to your mapserver cgi and you
> should be up and running in less than an hour or so... It also integrates
> well with TMS for raster, and WMS for other...
> Cheers,
> Percy
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package
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> Thanks Bob.  Yes, GeoMoose does seem impressive for what it can do out of
> the box.  I noticed there is a GeoMoose mailing list and will likely signup
> for that.  Quick question though: can the GeoMoose interface directly
> display png tiles (e.g., output from gdal2tiles/maptiler) or do rasters need
> to go through mapserver first?  (I have some imagery and openstreetmap data
> I think would be best served through TMS tiles rather than mapserver raster
> data sources.)
>
> - John
>
>
> --
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> Geospatial Data Manager
> Geology Department
> Portland State University
> http://gisgeek.pdx.edu
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package

2009-12-28 Thread John Callahan 
Thanks percy.  No, I hadn't thought of that.  OpenLayers always gives me the
impression of one layer at a time, and doesn't usually include a layer list
that you can check on/off.  However, I'm sure with some thinking on WMS
services with transparent backgrounds vs TMS layer backgrounds, I might be
able to come up with something.   I'll look through the examples at
http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/.  Thanks for the idea.

- John


On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:16 PM, percy  wrote:

> John, have you thought about just using OpenLayers with Mapserver, just
> modify one of the existing examples to point to your mapserver cgi and you
> should be up and running in less than an hour or so... It also integrates
> well with TMS for raster, and WMS for other...
> Cheers,
> Percy
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:09:55 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package
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>
> Thanks Bob.  Yes, GeoMoose does seem impressive for what it can do out of
> the box.  I noticed there is a GeoMoose mailing list and will likely signup
> for that.  Quick question though: can the GeoMoose interface directly
> display png tiles (e.g., output from gdal2tiles/maptiler) or do rasters need
> to go through mapserver first?  (I have some imagery and openstreetmap data
> I think would be best served through TMS tiles rather than mapserver raster
> data sources.)
>
> - John
>
>
> --
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> Geospatial Data Manager
> Geology Department
> Portland State University
> http://gisgeek.pdx.edu
> 503-725-3373
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package

2009-12-28 Thread percy 
John, have you thought about just using OpenLayers with Mapserver, just 
modify one of the existing examples to point to your mapserver cgi and 
you should be up and running in less than an hour or so... It also 
integrates well with TMS for raster, and WMS for other...

Cheers,
Percy


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Thanks Bob.  Yes, GeoMoose does seem impressive for what it can do out 
of the box.  I noticed there is a GeoMoose mailing list and will likely 
signup for that.  Quick question though: can the GeoMoose interface 
directly display png tiles (e.g., output from gdal2tiles/maptiler) or do 
rasters need to go through mapserver first?  (I have some imagery and 
openstreetmap data I think would be best served through TMS tiles rather 
than mapserver raster data sources.)


- John


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2009-12-28 Thread John Callahan 
Thanks Bob.  Yes, GeoMoose does seem impressive for what it can do out of
the box.  I noticed there is a GeoMoose mailing list and will likely signup
for that.  Quick question though: can the GeoMoose interface directly
display png tiles (e.g., output from gdal2tiles/maptiler) or do rasters need
to go through mapserver first?  (I have some imagery and openstreetmap data
I think would be best served through TMS tiles rather than mapserver raster
data sources.)

- John




On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Bob Basques wrote:

>  John,
>
>  First off, I'm close to the GeoMoose project, now having said that. . .
>
>  GeoMoose will implement way faster out of the box.
>
>  Usually, the biggest hurdle, is if you need to change the projection of
> the data you are displaying.  If all your data is in the same projection,
> it's not a problem at all, pretty much can be a plug and play with the
> datasets using the samples that come with the GeoMoose package.  If you need
> to pull data from other projections and overlay them onto your datasets then
> things get decidedly trickier (in any application for that matter), although
> once you have one layer working , it's usually not too big a deal to get
> others working in GeoMoose too.
>
>  Don't take my word for it though.  I'm sure others will pop on here and
> reply too, although, you might want to try the Mapserver list with the
> question as well, there might be some other viewers out there as well that
> might fit the bill.
>
>  bobb
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> John Callahan  wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a web mapping package that can be used to show 15 - 20
> datasets at once. These data just need to be turned on/off and maybe an
> identify/query feature. Data are points, lines, polygons, and rasters
> (aerial imagery, DEMs, etc...) Basically, I'm looking for a way to show
> these datasets to a few dozen colleagues located in various depts.
>
> So far, MapGuide OS and GeoMoose seem to be the two best options. I have
> used Mapserver and Postgis before and could use these again. Vectors are
> mostly shapefiles and rasters are img or ESRI grids (I could convert to png
> tiles using GDAL or something similar.)
>
>
> Any thoughts on the ease of setup/config of GeoMoose vs MapGuide OS? Any
> other obvious packages I'm missing? (I know about ka-map but don't think
> it's being developed, and may not add anything over GeoMoose/MapGuide.) In
> the past, I've used ArcIMS and ArcGIS Server for such a purpose. However,
> I'm looking for an open source solution.
>
> If all goes well, we may develop a more sophisticated application in the
> future but for right now, viewing the data is most important. Thanks for
> your help.
>
> - John
>
> **
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> Delaware Geological Survey, University of Delaware
> URL: http://www.dgs.udel.edu
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package

2009-12-28 Thread Bob Basques 
John, 

First off, I'm close to the GeoMoose project, now having said that. . . 

GeoMoose will implement way faster out of the box. 

Usually, the biggest hurdle, is if you need to change the projection of the 
data you are displaying.  If all your data is in the same projection, it's not 
a problem at all, pretty much can be a plug and play with the datasets using 
the samples that come with the GeoMoose package.  If you need to pull data from 
other projections and overlay them onto your datasets then things get decidedly 
trickier (in any application for that matter), although once you have one layer 
working , it's usually not too big a deal to get others working in GeoMoose 
too. 

Don't take my word for it though.  I'm sure others will pop on here and reply 
too, although, you might want to try the Mapserver list with the question as 
well, there might be some other viewers out there as well that might fit the 
bill. 

bobb 





>>> John Callahan  wrote:

I'm looking for a web mapping package that can be used to show 15 - 20 datasets 
at once. These data just need to be turned on/off and maybe an identify/query 
feature. Data are points, lines, polygons, and rasters (aerial imagery, DEMs, 
etc...) Basically, I'm looking for a way to show these datasets to a few dozen 
colleagues located in various depts.

So far, MapGuide OS and GeoMoose seem to be the two best options. I have used 
Mapserver and Postgis before and could use these again. Vectors are mostly 
shapefiles and rasters are img or ESRI grids (I could convert to png tiles 
using GDAL or something similar.)


Any thoughts on the ease of setup/config of GeoMoose vs MapGuide OS? Any other 
obvious packages I'm missing? (I know about ka-map but don't think it's being 
developed, and may not add anything over GeoMoose/MapGuide.) In the past, I've 
used ArcIMS and ArcGIS Server for such a purpose. However, I'm looking for an 
open source solution.

If all goes well, we may develop a more sophisticated application in the future 
but for right now, viewing the data is most important. Thanks for your help.

- John

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[OSGeo-Discuss] web mapping package

2009-12-28 Thread John Callahan 
I'm looking for a web mapping package that can be used to show 15 - 20
datasets at once.  These data just need to be turned on/off and maybe an
identify/query feature.  Data are points, lines, polygons, and rasters
(aerial imagery, DEMs, etc...)   Basically, I'm looking for a way to show
these datasets to a few dozen colleagues located in various depts.

So far, MapGuide OS and GeoMoose seem to be the two best options.  I have
used Mapserver and Postgis before and could use these again.  Vectors are
mostly shapefiles and rasters are img or ESRI grids (I could convert to png
tiles using GDAL or something similar.)


Any thoughts on the ease of setup/config of GeoMoose vs MapGuide OS?Any
other obvious packages I'm missing?   (I know about ka-map but don't think
it's being developed, and may not add anything over GeoMoose/MapGuide.)   In
the past, I've used ArcIMS and ArcGIS Server for such a purpose.  However,
I'm looking for an open source solution.

If all goes well, we may develop a more sophisticated application in the
future but for right now, viewing the data is most important.  Thanks for
your help.

- John

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John Callahan, Geospatial Application Developer
Delaware Geological Survey, University of Delaware
URL: http://www.dgs.udel.edu
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