Re: [discuss] Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-19 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Andrew,

> In the Australian Computerworld article.
Where is the article?  Is it on a magazine?  Is it on the Web?
May I have a URL?
Thanks,
khirano

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Re: [discuss] Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-19 Thread Armin Theissen
Hi,
I can't say anything about Sun employees working on OOo/SO being
fired, but I do know that some left the company by themselves for
whatever private reasons.
armin
Andrew Brown wrote:
In the Australian Computerworld article about there being not enough 
developers of OOo/Star Office, Ken Foskey is quoted as saying there are now 
50 people working on the program for Sun in Germany. Erwin Tenhumberg 
replies that he wont talk about numbers, but that the ratio is misleading. 
This caught my eye because three or four years ago, when I first started 
using the program, one of the German developers told me that there were 
over 100 poeple employed on it in Hamburg. I can't run down the email right 
now, but it did appear one one of the public lists. We have been reading 
for years about Sun making fresh rounds of layoffs, without any specifics. 
Occasionally well-known and admired sun developers have vanished from these 
lists. But to go from around 110 developers to around 50 in four years must 
have had a bad effect on the program.

 

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Re: [discuss] Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-19 Thread Erwin Tenhumberg
Some people might interpret the article in a way that the ration between
Sun and non-Sun developers is something like 50:14. If that really was
the case wouldn't that mean that a little more than 20% of the features 
(= functionality) in OpenOffice.org 2.0 would have been developed by
non-Sun developers? Is that the case? In addition, calculate the number
of features that have been developed by the 14 and extrapolate that
number to the number of new features/changes that you can find in
OpenOffice.org 2.0. Maybe that exercise leads to a more realistic number
of the size of the larger OpenOffice.org developer community.

Cheers,
Erwin

Andrew Brown wrote:
In the Australian Computerworld article about there being not enough 
developers of OOo/Star Office, Ken Foskey is quoted as saying there are now 
50 people working on the program for Sun in Germany. Erwin Tenhumberg 
replies that he wont talk about numbers, but that the ratio is misleading. 
This caught my eye because three or four years ago, when I first started 
using the program, one of the German developers told me that there were 
over 100 poeple employed on it in Hamburg. I can't run down the email right 
now, but it did appear one one of the public lists. We have been reading 
for years about Sun making fresh rounds of layoffs, without any specifics. 
Occasionally well-known and admired sun developers have vanished from these 
lists. But to go from around 110 developers to around 50 in four years must 
have had a bad effect on the program.


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Re: [discuss] Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-19 Thread Bernd Eilers
Andrew Brown wrote:
In the Australian Computerworld article about there being not enough 
developers of OOo/Star Office, Ken Foskey is quoted as saying there are now 
50 people working on the program for Sun in Germany. Erwin Tenhumberg 
replies that he wont talk about numbers, but that the ratio is misleading. 
This caught my eye because three or four years ago, when I first started 
using the program, one of the German developers told me that there were 
over 100 poeple employed on it in Hamburg. I can't run down the email right 
now, but it did appear one one of the public lists. We have been reading 
for years about Sun making fresh rounds of layoffs, without any specifics. 
Occasionally well-known and admired sun developers have vanished from these 
lists. But to go from around 110 developers to around 50 in four years must 
have had a bad effect on the program.

That quote was very misleading if I remember correctly it was said that 
Sun provides round about 50 OOo developers and Novell has 10 working on 
it. But in fact the number of Sun employees who´s work is related 
directly to OpenOffice.org and/or StarOffice is much higher. That´s 
because there´s for example QA, Release-Engineering & Tooling, 
Marketing, etc. which is not counted on that number of 50 but as well 
very important. On the other hand it may be quite possible that for the 
10 people from Novell mentioned those might not all be developers but 
include QA & others too. But I am not sure.

Kind regards,
Bernd Eilers
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Re: [discuss] Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-19 Thread Bjoern Milcke
Andrew Brown wrote:
In the Australian Computerworld article about there being not enough 
developers of OOo/Star Office, Ken Foskey is quoted as saying there are now 
50 people working on the program for Sun in Germany. Erwin Tenhumberg 
replies that he wont talk about numbers, but that the ratio is misleading. 
This caught my eye because three or four years ago, when I first started 
using the program, one of the German developers told me that there were 
over 100 poeple employed on it in Hamburg.
100 employees is not equal to 100 developers. The number of developers 
hasn't changed much.

Bjoern
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[discuss] Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-19 Thread Andrew Brown
In the Australian Computerworld article about there being not enough 
developers of OOo/Star Office, Ken Foskey is quoted as saying there are now 
50 people working on the program for Sun in Germany. Erwin Tenhumberg 
replies that he wont talk about numbers, but that the ratio is misleading. 
This caught my eye because three or four years ago, when I first started 
using the program, one of the German developers told me that there were 
over 100 poeple employed on it in Hamburg. I can't run down the email right 
now, but it did appear one one of the public lists. We have been reading 
for years about Sun making fresh rounds of layoffs, without any specifics. 
Occasionally well-known and admired sun developers have vanished from these 
lists. But to go from around 110 developers to around 50 in four years must 
have had a bad effect on the program.

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