Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
Hi, One thing to suggest is to remember, that there are unfortunate beings, who do not enjoy a normal eye vision, for whom, a fully configurable font rendering is a *must*. It can be the best of existing OSs, if it hurts a user's eyes, they have no other option, other than, to discontinue using it. I tried a previous release by fsmithred but was set back with tired and irritated eyes caused by the small fonts used. Bigger resolutions should mean, better font rendering with smooth edges that are more pleasant to read, rather than, actual font sizes that are INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL to screen resolution. Please, remember, eyesight problems also involve astigmatism which can be very difficult to correct for. Don't assume a 7/7 eyesight is the norm, as it is not. Edward -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
On 10/17/2016 08:14 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:49:34 + (UTC) > Go Linux wrote: > >> FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch >> >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta >> ... > About finding which of the 18 wireless drivers to install, and how to > install them: The article mentions having a previous Debian/Devuan or > Ubuntu install and then type "dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware". > But what should one do if he/she has no such previous installation? > > The article mentions: > > === > That's fine, except that there are 18 possible drivers, and you might > not know which one to install. You really wouldn't want to install all > 18. > === > > Why not? What disadvantages would accrue if I simply installed all 18? > I know doing so wouldn't be neat or crisp or geekily correct, but > wouldn't it enable me to simply get on with it? What would be the > disadvantage besides crudity? > I don't think there's any reason you can't install all of them, or more likely, most of them. In wheezy, there were a couple of broadcom drivers that conflicted with each other. Other than that, I think the worst thing would be a waste of precious hard drive space. They aren't pre-installed in Refracta for a couple of reasons. 1. Only the main repo is enabled, so it's all free software. The non-free driver packages are there if you want or need them. 2. Some of them require that you agree to some terms when you install them. I can't agree for anyone but me. 3. Waste of precious CD space. For jessie, we were able to stick to the "fits on a CD" rule. Another way to figure out which driver you need is to run 'lspci' and see what network hardware you have. Compare the words you see there to the list of driver descriptions in the readme file inside the wireless_drivers directory. Some of them are pretty obvious, so you can narrow it down. > And if I simply got on with it, couldn't I later perform: > > dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware > > and uninstall any drivers that don't get mentioned? If so, what > uninstall command would I use (the install seemed not to use apt-get)? > 'dpkg -i ' to install a package. 'dpkg -r ' to remove a package. apt-get and aptitude (and probably apt) can be used to remove packages that were installed with 'dpkg -i'. OK, sorry about the visual presentation. All good points below. (I'll have to get golinux to translate some of it for me.) I did make a special build for someone with poor vision, but all I did was add some accessibility package and make the fonts bigger. I never got any feedback on that. Are there any stock desktop themes in xfce that you can recommend? I don't know of an easy way to change the theme before logging in, but I can probably figure out something. Maybe even a second user with different desktop settings. Window borders are going to get wider across the board. I can't grab an edge with a track pad. Pretty sure we already made them wider once. I've been thinking about doing it again. Have to dig up some old emails. Thanks for the suggestions. This is now on my (mental) list of things to do. Now that 8.0 is done, it's time to start playing with ascii. There will be plenty of new builds to play with. -fsmithred > > A COUPLE OTHER REFRACTA SUGGESTIONS > > The Refracta I installed on the laptop was very hostile to those with > bad vision. It had this garish mostly orange and some black background > that camouflaged any desktop icons and even terminals. The terminals > were set to some low contrast thing like #aa on #00, with small > fonts, and transparency. Imagine how hard it was to read anything when > the garish background obscured the tiny, low contrast writing on the > terminal. > > Pretty is nice, but pretty is a luxury for the well-sighted. Those of > us with lousy vision hugely prioritize legibility, which is usually a > direct tradeoff with pretty. There are times I can't read pretty enough > to configure it to legibility. > > So I'd suggest a second theme for Refracta, either selectible at boot, > or runnable by a click on the top left desktop icon (remember, the user > might not be seeing the icon clearly enough to read it). The legibility > theme should feature: > > * No background image. Just a straight #006600 color, no gradient. > > * Terminal coloration either #00 on #ff or #ff on #00. > Yeah, that gives some people headaches, but those of us with bad > vision can't even use the less contrasty stuff.
Re: [DNG] Plop bootloader: was USB bootable ISO for i386
On 10/17/2016 08:19 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:26:46 -0400 > fsmithred wrote: > >> It worked great until I blew away the plop >> bootloader by installing grub. :o >> >> -fsr > > Who, I want to hear about the Plop Bootloader. I've used Plop Linux > and liked it for what it was. How does one back up the Plop bootloader > so it can be restored when an upgrade blows it away? Can Plop be used > with a modern UEFI-only computer? (One can hope)? > > Thanks, > > SteveT > I know very little about Plop Bootloader. What I recall is that it can be installed to the hard drive or to external media. In this case, it was on the hard drive. As for what a modern UEFI-only computer will do, you may as well examine entrails to get that answer. If you want to get an idea of the range of possibilities, read this - http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/ Some will let you put a bootloader in the MBR without screwing things up, so it may be possible. Maybe I'll get brave and try it on the one uefi machine I have. I did try rEFInd on a usb stick, and it worked great. My 256MB thumb drive is now a permanent home for that. Just in case. -fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Plop bootloader: was USB bootable ISO for i386
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:26:46 -0400 fsmithred wrote: > It worked great until I blew away the plop > bootloader by installing grub. :o > > -fsr Who, I want to hear about the Plop Bootloader. I've used Plop Linux and liked it for what it was. How does one back up the Plop bootloader so it can be restored when an upgrade blows it away? Can Plop be used with a modern UEFI-only computer? (One can hope)? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:49:34 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: > FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta > > Way to go fsmithred! > > golinux OK, NOW we're getting somewhere! Robert Storey, the article's author, is on the DNG list. Cool! About a month ago I had to forego the perfect opportunity to install Refracta on real hardware (my father in law's laptop) because I didn't know the stuff in this article. I got caught by the "no network" catch 22, didn't have the time to investigate, and defaulted to Void (which isn't all that easy an install either). Now, with Robert's article, I think I can do it next time. But I do have some questions: About finding which of the 18 wireless drivers to install, and how to install them: The article mentions having a previous Debian/Devuan or Ubuntu install and then type "dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware". But what should one do if he/she has no such previous installation? The article mentions: === That's fine, except that there are 18 possible drivers, and you might not know which one to install. You really wouldn't want to install all 18. === Why not? What disadvantages would accrue if I simply installed all 18? I know doing so wouldn't be neat or crisp or geekily correct, but wouldn't it enable me to simply get on with it? What would be the disadvantage besides crudity? And if I simply got on with it, couldn't I later perform: dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware and uninstall any drivers that don't get mentioned? If so, what uninstall command would I use (the install seemed not to use apt-get)? A COUPLE OTHER REFRACTA SUGGESTIONS The Refracta I installed on the laptop was very hostile to those with bad vision. It had this garish mostly orange and some black background that camouflaged any desktop icons and even terminals. The terminals were set to some low contrast thing like #aa on #00, with small fonts, and transparency. Imagine how hard it was to read anything when the garish background obscured the tiny, low contrast writing on the terminal. Pretty is nice, but pretty is a luxury for the well-sighted. Those of us with lousy vision hugely prioritize legibility, which is usually a direct tradeoff with pretty. There are times I can't read pretty enough to configure it to legibility. So I'd suggest a second theme for Refracta, either selectible at boot, or runnable by a click on the top left desktop icon (remember, the user might not be seeing the icon clearly enough to read it). The legibility theme should feature: * No background image. Just a straight #006600 color, no gradient. * Terminal coloration either #00 on #ff or #ff on #00. Yeah, that gives some people headaches, but those of us with bad vision can't even use the less contrasty stuff. * Big font for the terminals. Big enough that an 80x25 terminal emulator should occupy considerably more than 1/4 of the monitor area. Consider bold fonts. Ugly, but more readable to the less-sighted. * No friggin transparency! * Window border width of 2px instead of 1px, colored very noticibly, especially for the active window (I use #00 for the active window border and #66 for the inactive window border). No silly gradients on the titlebar: legibility for the poorly sighted demands a solid block recognizeable as such. * Window title bar font big, similar to what I described for the terminal emulator font, and very contrasty with the window title bar background color. * Active window's titlebar *VERY* noticible at a moment's glance. My active titlebar has a background of #DD and foreground #CC. I'm not color blind, but if I were, I might prefer something like #00 on #FF. Ugly to most of us, but to a poorly-sighted colorblind person this would be a saving grace. As you read this, it will sound horribly ugly to you, but please remember it will be used by very few. Most people will use the standard theme. The only purpose of this alternate theme is to help those whose vision is so bad they can't afford pretty. And please remember, unless this alternate theme is either default or dead-bang easy and intuitive to get to, the poorly sighted person will not have the visual acuity to navigate the standard theme enough to make their computer legible. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On 10/17/2016 03:36 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:49:43PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: >> Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It >> might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is >> an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want >> to devote too much time and effort to this...just one more good reason for >> him to use Refracta, which seems to boot everything! > > Does Refracta build its packages itself? Or does it just copy them > from Devuan, which copies them from Debian? > > If it copies, it is likely not to be a i486 issue. > > -- hendrik > Refracta uses the Devuan main repository. The packages don't get changed in any way. As I mentioned in another post, Refracta and Devuan are using the same Debian kernel. Can anyone tell us what commands/options are used in making the Devuan isos? (xorriso, genisoimage, mkisofs?) Speaking of booting everything, someone brought an old PII laptop to a LUG meeting. He was trying to install linux on it and not having any luck. We were able to boot my refracta(wheezy) usb stick on it and install the system. It worked great until I blew away the plop bootloader by installing grub. :o -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:49:43PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It > might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is > an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want > to devote too much time and effort to this...just one more good reason for > him to use Refracta, which seems to boot everything! Does Refracta build its packages itself? Or does it just copy them from Devuan, which copies them from Debian? If it copies, it is likely not to be a i486 issue. -- hendrik > > On my computer, I've gotten Refracta to do everything I need, with the > exception of typing in Chinese (I live in Taiwan, remember). Actually, I > can type Chinese just fine in Refracta by using Emacs, but I'm thinking > that for non-Emacs users, it would be good if I could get one of the > Chinese input daemons working (ie scim, ibus or gcin) but that's an issue > for another day. > > Again, thanks for all the help. I'm going to bed (almost midnight in my > time zone). > > cheers, > Robert > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
+! an epic write up, well done fsr!! :) Ozi On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:21 AM, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > On 10/17/2016 09:49 AM, Go Linux wrote: > >> FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch >> >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta >> >> Way to go fsmithred! >> > > +1 to the above. > > It looks like it is trending very well over there too. > > A lot more detailed and accurate than the recycled "review" at > http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linu > x-Distributions/Refracta-102636.shtml > > I loaded and installed the 32 bit version on my Atom powered EeePC 1005HA > netbook last night, all went well. > > Thanks, > > Clarke > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
On 10/17/2016 12:21 PM, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > On 10/17/2016 09:49 AM, Go Linux wrote: >> FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch >> >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta >> >> Way to go fsmithred! > > +1 to the above. > > It looks like it is trending very well over there too. > > A lot more detailed and accurate than the recycled "review" at > http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Refracta-102636.shtml > > > I loaded and installed the 32 bit version on my Atom powered EeePC 1005HA > netbook last night, all went well. > > Thanks, > > Clarke > > Hey, the one at softpedia is a lot better than the one by the guy who thinks he could do it with three minutes of desktop configuration, starting with a default Devuan install. I won't even post a link for that. No need to feed the google bot. But the one by Robert is awesome. (Thanks again!) fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
On 10/17/2016 09:49 AM, Go Linux wrote: FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta Way to go fsmithred! +1 to the above. It looks like it is trending very well over there too. A lot more detailed and accurate than the recycled "review" at http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Refracta-102636.shtml I loaded and installed the 32 bit version on my Atom powered EeePC 1005HA netbook last night, all went well. Thanks, Clarke ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
Hi, On 10/17/2016 05:25 PM, Go Linux wrote: FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta Way to go fsmithred! golinux GoLinux, there is section dedicated to the clock in the article of Distrowatch talking about refracta... Thank you, thank you, thank you !! Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want to devote too much time and effort to this...just one more good reason for him to use Refracta, which seems to boot everything! On my computer, I've gotten Refracta to do everything I need, with the exception of typing in Chinese (I live in Taiwan, remember). Actually, I can type Chinese just fine in Refracta by using Emacs, but I'm thinking that for non-Emacs users, it would be good if I could get one of the Chinese input daemons working (ie scim, ibus or gcin) but that's an issue for another day. Again, thanks for all the help. I'm going to bed (almost midnight in my time zone). cheers, Robert ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] booting the installation ISO
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 02:54:29AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi, > > On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > >On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > >>>On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > >I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished > >Linux > >geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off > >financially, > >so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. > > > >devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso I installed devuan from one of the old alphas. I remember there was something I had to do with the ISO before I could boot it from a USB stick. I gather it needed some kind of prefix? The correspondence should be somewhere in the ancient history of this mailing list. But maye the modern ISO's no longer have this problem. -- hendrik > >>> > >>>which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK > >>>Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at > >>>least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. > >That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586. > > Yes..., but it really depends on the version of the kernel. > > 4.7.x uses i686 and i686-pae, and 3.16.x uses i586 and i686-pae > > The trouble might be also in the phisical address extension (PAE), if the > computer hasn't this feature. > > Cheers, > > Aitor. > > > > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On 10/17/2016 06:29 AM, fsmithred wrote: > On 10/16/2016 11:05 PM, Robert Storey wrote: >> >> In order to install, he downloaded file(s): >> >> devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso >> >> and >> >> devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST.iso >> >> Installed to a usb stick as follows: >> >> dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M >> sync >> >> But neither machine will boot either of these installed ISO files, > > > The Devuan isos are already isohybrid, and they boot from usb here. I > don't know why the Refracta isos work for you but the Devuan don't. > > Here's the xorriso command used to make the Refracta isos. I don't know > what Devuan uses. > > xorriso -as mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long -l \ > -isohybrid-mbr /path/to/isohdpfx.bin \ > -partition_offset 16 -V "snapshot-live-cd" -b isolinux/isolinux.bin > -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \ > -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -eltorito-alt-boot \ > -e boot/grub/efiboot.img -isohybrid-gpt-basdat -no-emul-boot \ > -o "$snapshot_dir"/"$filename" iso/ > > > -fsr > Correction: The i386 Refracta iso was made without the uefi options and looks like this: xorriso -as mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long -l \ -isohybrid-mbr /path/to/isohdpfx.bin \ -partition_offset 16 -V "snapshot-live-cd" -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \ -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table \ -o "$snapshot_dir"/"$filename" iso/ Robert, When you say it won't boot, what actually happens? Do you get as far as the boot menu? Does it start to load the kernel? If you can get past the boot menu at all, then press TAB at the boot menu and remove 'quiet' from the command. Maybe it will give some useful information on screen. -fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 25, Issue 18
On 10/16/2016 08:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi, > > On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >>> >On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > >I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux > >geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially, > >so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. > > > >devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso >>> > >>> >which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK >>> >Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at >>> >least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. >> That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586. > > Yes..., but it really depends on the version of the kernel. > > 4.7.x uses i686 and i686-pae, and 3.16.x uses i586 and i686-pae > > The trouble might be also in the phisical address extension (PAE), if the > computer hasn't this feature. > > Cheers, > > Aitor. > > Refracta-8.0 and Devuan-1.0 use the same kernel - the 3.16 from Debian Stable. -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta Way to go fsmithred! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
Sorry, On 10/17/2016 02:54 AM, aitor_czr wrote: Hi, On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > >I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux > >geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially, > >so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. > > > >devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > >which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK >Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at >least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586. Yes..., but it really depends on the version of the kernel. 4.7.x uses i686 and i686-pae, and 3.16.x uses i586 and i686-pae The trouble might be also in the phisical address extension (PAE), if the computer hasn't this feature. Cheers, The subject :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 25, Issue 18
Hi, On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > >I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux > >geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially, > >so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. > > > >devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > >which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK >Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at >least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586. Yes..., but it really depends on the version of the kernel. 4.7.x uses i686 and i686-pae, and 3.16.x uses i586 and i686-pae The trouble might be also in the phisical address extension (PAE), if the computer hasn't this feature. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Workrave is not installable in ceres
I don't use apt-get, I use aptitude for conflict resolution. Currently I have no obsolete packages and the upgrade went well I think. --- Eloy On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:16 AM Edward Bartolo wrote: > HI, > > An important piece of information is 'how did you install Devuan > Ceres?'. If you upgraded from one major version to the next, be aware > certain packages may need to be upgraded before the final > dist-upgrading. I am using Devuan ASCII which I upgraded from Devuan > Jessie. > > The procedure: > 1) Changed /etc/apt/sources.list to point to ASCII instead of Jessie > and run 'apt-get update'. > 2) Upgraded kernel, dpkg, apt, aptitude with all packages that were > pulled in the upgrade. > 3) Rebooted > 4) Run the final 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. That installed a long list > of packages. > 5) Rebooted again to test the newly upgraded system. > > Edward > > -- > If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. > > Albert Einstein > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On 10/16/2016 11:05 PM, Robert Storey wrote: > > In order to install, he downloaded file(s): > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > > and > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST.iso > > Installed to a usb stick as follows: > > dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M > sync > > But neither machine will boot either of these installed ISO files, The Devuan isos are already isohybrid, and they boot from usb here. I don't know why the Refracta isos work for you but the Devuan don't. Here's the xorriso command used to make the Refracta isos. I don't know what Devuan uses. xorriso -as mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long -l \ -isohybrid-mbr /path/to/isohdpfx.bin \ -partition_offset 16 -V "snapshot-live-cd" -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \ -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -eltorito-alt-boot \ -e boot/grub/efiboot.img -isohybrid-gpt-basdat -no-emul-boot \ -o "$snapshot_dir"/"$filename" iso/ -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:36:34AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > > > I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux > > > geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off > > > financially, > > > so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. > > > > > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > > > > which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK > > Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at > > least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. > > That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586. > Thanks for pointing that out, Adam. I remembered something about i686, and it was the wrong thing :) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > > I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux > > geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially, > > so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. > > > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > > which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK > Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at > least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586. -- A MAP07 (Dead Simple) raspberry tincture recipe: 0.5l 95% alcohol, 1kg raspberries, 0.4kg sugar; put into a big jar for 1 month. Filter out and throw away the fruits (can dump them into a cake, etc), let the drink age at least 3-6 months. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux > geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially, > so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. Neither of > these machines has a workable CD or DVD drive (ie one is a netbook and thus > no built-in DVD drive, the other has a DVD burner but is broken). Of > course, both machines have USB2 ports and can boot off of these. > > In order to install, he downloaded file(s): > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > > and > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST.iso > > Installed to a usb stick as follows: > > dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M > sync > > But neither machine will boot either of these installed ISO files, even > after fiddling with BIOS parameters. However, at my suggestion he also Hi Robert, which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng