[DNG] Fwd: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

[Ozi Traveller]

Hi

- free and non-free firmware packages are now included in desktop-live
  and minimal-live isos. A script to remove all non-free firmware
  packages from running live images is provided in /root

Does this also mean that the non-free packages are in the non-free repo?

Ozi


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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

[Ozi Traveller]

Hi

- free and non-free firmware packages are now included in desktop-live
  and minimal-live isos. A script to remove all non-free firmware
  packages from running live images is provided in /root

Does this also mean that the non-free packages are in the non-free repo?

Ozi

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Veteran Unix Admins 
wrote:

>
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
>
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>
> Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are
> happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2. Thanks to the very good
> feedback received from the community, this release candidate is one
> step closer to our final Devuan stable release and our first long term
> support (LTS) release as well.
>
> The first RC was well-received in the press and in user reviews:
>
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan\_1\_0\_0\_released/
>
> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan
>
> Please find below instructions to try out or install Devuan Jessie
> 1.0.0 RC2 on your computer and to upgrade from Debian 7 (Wheezy) or
> Debian 8 (Jessie). If you are already using Devuan Jessie RC, a simple
> `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` will be enough to get the latest
> updates.
>
> As soon as Devuan Jessie stable is released, we will turn our
> attention to Devuan Ascii, the current development branch.
>
> We wish to thank all of you for the incredible support given to this
> development effort, and for engaging in the process of making Devuan a
> useful and reliable base distro, as well as a pleasant, cooperative
> community.
>
> # What has improved in RC2
>
> - Solved issues with signing keys -- All the keys used to sign
>   installation and live images are now listed at:
>
> https://devuan.org/os/team/
>
> - free and non-free firmware packages are now included in desktop-live
>   and minimal-live isos. A script to remove all non-free firmware
>   packages from running live images is provided in /root
>
> - backports (bpo) repos are now correctly pinned at priority 100,
>   meaning that no package from backports will be automatically
>   installed
>
> - Added a systemd-free version of network-manager
>
> - New versions of reportbug, desktop-base, xfce4-panel
>
> - Several more libsystemd0-free packages are now included in the
>   jessie-proposed repo
>
> - Removed GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon as DE options in tasksel. These
>   three DEs are still (mostly) installable after the installation is
>   complete, but they are known to suffer from some glitches due to the
>   lack of systemd
>
> - Fixed several minor bugs
>
> - A total of 29 different ARM boards are now supported, thanks to the
>   added support for u-boot:
>
> - Currently supported boards are:
>
> - Acer Chromebook (chromeacer)
> - Veyron/Rockchip Chromebook (chromeveyron)
> - Nokia N900 (n900)
> - Odroid XU (odroidxu)
> - Raspberry Pi 0 and 1 (raspi1)
> - Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 (raspi2)
> - Raspberry Pi 3 - arm64 (raspi3)
>
> - Allwinner boards are now contained in a single image (sunxi),
>   and their respective U-Boot bootloader downloads are available
>   in the u-boot directory. The currently supported boards are:
>
> - Olimex: Lime (A10), Lime, Lime2, MICRO (A20)
> - Banana Pi: Pi, Pro (A20)
> - CHIP: CHIP (R8), CHIP Pro (GR8)
> - Cubieboard: Cubieboard (A10), Cubieboard2, Cubietruck (A20)
>   Cubieboard4 (A80), Cubietruck Plus (A83t)
> - Lamobo R1 (A20)
> - OrangePi: OrangePi2, OrangePi Lite, OrangePi Plus (H3)
>   OrangePi Zero (H2+), OrangePi, OrangePi Mini (A20)
> - Allwinner-based Tablet (A33)
>
> - More info on these boards can be found in the respective README
> files in the downloads directory
>
>   - Requests for any Allwinner board support can be sent to
>  or the #devuan-arm IRC channel - Preferably
> they should be supported in mainline Linux and mainline U-Boot
>
> # Anyone can help Devuan!
>
> Devuan is a large endeavor involving people of all ages, from
> different countries, with a rainbow of skills and interests.  Anyone
> can contribute to ensure that Devuan maintains its role as a stable
> and reliable universal operating system.
>
> Here are some suggestions of how you can help Devuan grow and prosper:
>
> - If you think you have found a bug in a Devuan package, please report
>   it to http://bugs.devuan.org, either by using the `reportbug` tool
>   or directly via email
>
> - If you think you know how to fix an exiting bug, please report the
>   solution in the corresponding page on http://bugs.devuan.org, or,
>   better, roll-up your sleeves, implement the fix, and get in touch
>   with the development team on IRC (`#devuan-dev` on freenode) to have
>   your patch included in the official repos
>
> - If you would like a package to be included in Devuan, please
>   consider joining 

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

[Gregory Nowak]

On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 02:12:28PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult 
wrote:
> Aren't these things that naturally belong into X or the input itself,

It would be nice if x itself implemented an accessibility framework,
but it currently doesn't as far as I know. If it did, people with
disabilities wouldn't be limited to gnome, which would be again nice.

> eg. speech input, braille display, etc ?

I'm not sure what you're getting at in the above example, can you please
elaborate? If you're saying that there should be a driver for a braille
display, speech input, or speech output just like there is for a mouse
for example, then this isn't that simple. With a mouse for example all
you have to do the way I understand it is to track the mouse movement,
move the mouse pointer on the screen by the same amount, and track if
buttons were clicked, and where the pointer was when the buttons were
clicked. In the case of a braille display, you can't simply send video
output to it, because it would make no sense. Doing so would be like
sending an audio file directly to the sound card. You instead need a
audio player to interpret the audio data, and play it to the sound
card. This is what brlTTY does for example. It not only drives the
braille display, but grabs video from the text console, formats it
into something the braille display can act on, and sends it to the
braille display. The orca screen reader does much the same thing with
graphical output, but uses brlTTY to drive the braille display,
instead of replicating that functionality itself.

The same is true for speech input, and speech output. Software
listening to input from the microphone needs to interpret the audio,
and execute the required action(s). You can't send video output
directly to the sound card, because that would make no sense. Software
has to grab the video output, interpret into text, send that text to a
text to speech engine, which then sends that audio to a sound card.

This is all quite over simplified, but I hope it makes sense.

Greg


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Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

[aitor_czr]

Hi again,

On 05/05/2017 07:59 PM, aitor_czr wrote:


Hi parazyd,

On 05/04/2017 03:58 PM, parazyd wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2017, aitor_czr wrote:


Hi parazyd,
On 05/04/2017 01:15 PM, parazyd [1]  wrote:

Ok, so vanilla GTK*does*  depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for anothe
r toolkit then i guess...

GNOME != GTK3. Gtk3 does depend on dbus & co., but does not depend on
systemd. It would be very wrong to do so actually, since a lot of
applications are ported to Gtk3.

Gtk3 doesn't depend on dbus, whereas some apps like slim, synaptic,
thunar, seahorse, nautilus...  But not Gtk per se, neither the Qt
toolkit.
Cheers,
  Aitor.

Nope, Gtk3 does depend on dbus. More correctly, its accessibility parts
depend on dbus.


You are right:

https://paste.debian.net/930914/

Cheers,

  Aitor.


And more concretly,

"libatk-bridge2.0-dev" depends on "libatspi2.0-dev", which depends at the same on 
"libdbus-1-dev"


  Aitor.




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Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

[aitor_czr]

Hi parazyd,

On 05/04/2017 03:58 PM, parazyd wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2017, aitor_czr wrote:


Hi parazyd,
On 05/04/2017 01:15 PM, parazyd [1]  wrote:

Ok, so vanilla GTK*does*  depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for anothe
r toolkit then i guess...

GNOME != GTK3. Gtk3 does depend on dbus & co., but does not depend on
systemd. It would be very wrong to do so actually, since a lot of
applications are ported to Gtk3.

Gtk3 doesn't depend on dbus, whereas some apps like slim, synaptic,
thunar, seahorse, nautilus...  But not Gtk per se, neither the Qt
toolkit.
Cheers,
  Aitor.

Nope, Gtk3 does depend on dbus. More correctly, its accessibility parts
depend on dbus.


You are right:

https://paste.debian.net/930914/

Cheers,

  Aitor.


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Re: [DNG] XFCE : Granted permissions without asking for password

[Lars Noodén]

On 05/05/2017 06:52 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Fri, 5 May 2017 16:24:22 +0300
> Lars Noodén  wrote:
> 
>> I notice that the second time I launch the Root Terminal from XFCE, it
>> skips asking for a password and shows the following warning:
> 
>>  Granted permissions without asking for password
> 
>>  The '/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator' program was started
>>  with the privileges of the root user without the need
>>  to ask for a password, due to your system's
>>  authentication mechanism setup.
> 
>>  It is possible that you are being allowed to run
>>  specific programs as user root without the need for a
>>  password, or that the password is cached.
> 
>>  This is not a problem report; it's simply a
>>  notification to make sure you are aware of this.
> 
>> I haven't seen this before.  What should I change to have XFCE
>> require a password each time I launch the Root Terminal icon.
> 
> 
> I'm not using XFCE, but I'd bet on (gk)sudo causing this. If so, you
> can change this behavior by editing /etc/sudoers (best with the
> "visudo"-command) to add the following line to the defaults section: 
> 
> Defaults  timestamp_timeout=0

I've got that set, so it must be something else.  I didn't see this with
a fresh installation of the beta but I am seeing it with a fresh
installation the RC 1.

Regards,
Lars
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Re: [DNG] XFCE : Granted permissions without asking for password

[Florian Zieboll]

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On Fri, 5 May 2017 16:24:22 +0300
Lars Noodén  wrote:

> I notice that the second time I launch the Root Terminal from XFCE, it
> skips asking for a password and shows the following warning:
> 
>   Granted permissions without asking for password
> 
>   The '/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator' program was started
>   with the privileges of the root user without the need
>   to ask for a password, due to your system's
>   authentication mechanism setup.
> 
>   It is possible that you are being allowed to run
>   specific programs as user root without the need for a
>   password, or that the password is cached.
> 
>   This is not a problem report; it's simply a
>   notification to make sure you are aware of this.
> 
> I haven't seen this before.  What should I change to have XFCE
> require a password each time I launch the Root Terminal icon.


I'm not using XFCE, but I'd bet on (gk)sudo causing this. If so, you
can change this behavior by editing /etc/sudoers (best with the
"visudo"-command) to add the following line to the defaults section: 

Defaultstimestamp_timeout=0


Libre Grüße,

Florian

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[DNG] XFCE : Granted permissions without asking for password

[Lars Noodén]

I notice that the second time I launch the Root Terminal from XFCE, it
skips asking for a password and shows the following warning:

Granted permissions without asking for password

The '/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator' program was started
with the privileges of the root user without the need
to ask for a password, due to your system's
authentication mechanism setup.

It is possible that you are being allowed to run
specific programs as user root without the need for a
password, or that the password is cached.

This is not a problem report; it's simply a
notification to make sure you are aware of this.

I haven't seen this before.  What should I change to have XFCE require a
password each time I launch the Root Terminal icon.

Regards,
Lars
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Re: [DNG] process of adding new packages

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 02:17:14PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult 
wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> 
> do we already have a defined process for adding new packages ?
> 
> I'm maintaining lots of packages for various deb-Distros (not having
> devuan in production yet), and I'd like to contribute them.
> 
> Maybe an 'contrib' repo as optional addition to the current release ?
> 

Hi Enrico,

all "new" packages should go into the experimental repo first.

My2Cents

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[DNG] process of adding new packages

[Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult]

Hi folks,


do we already have a defined process for adding new packages ?

I'm maintaining lots of packages for various deb-Distros (not having
devuan in production yet), and I'd like to contribute them.

Maybe an 'contrib' repo as optional addition to the current release ?


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Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

[Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult]

On 04.05.2017 22:47, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 04:15:15PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult 
> wrote:
>> What exactly does that 'accessibility' stuff actually do ?
> 
> It does for people with various disabilities what a screen, keyboard
> and mouse do for people without disabilities.

Aren't these things that naturally belong into X or the input itself,
eg. speech input, braille display, etc ?


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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

[Dan Purgert]

On 05/04/2017 11:54 PM, Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
> 
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
> 
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> 
> Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are
> happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2. Thanks to the very good
> feedback received from the community, this release candidate is one
> step closer to our final Devuan stable release and our first long term
> support (LTS) release as well.
> 
Good deal!

Seems the links went a little crazy, and added a backslash to the
underscores ... though could be on my end.





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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Fri, 5 May 2017 05:54:32 +0200, Veteran wrote in message 
<20170505035432.htqylwtk7bef35hn@reflex>:

> 
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
> 
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> 
> Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are
> happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2. Thanks to the very good
> feedback received from the community, this release candidate is one
> step closer to our final Devuan stable release and our first long term
> support (LTS) release as well.
> 
> The first RC was well-received in the press and in user reviews:
> 
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan\_1\_0\_0\_released/

..https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/05/devuan_release_candidate_2/

> 
> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan
> 
> Please find below instructions to try out or install Devuan Jessie
> 1.0.0 RC2 on your computer and to upgrade from Debian 7 (Wheezy) or
> Debian 8 (Jessie). If you are already using Devuan Jessie RC, a simple
> `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` will be enough to get the latest
> updates.
> 
> As soon as Devuan Jessie stable is released, we will turn our
> attention to Devuan Ascii, the current development branch.
> 
> We wish to thank all of you for the incredible support given to this
> development effort, and for engaging in the process of making Devuan a
> useful and reliable base distro, as well as a pleasant, cooperative
> community.
> 
> # What has improved in RC2
> 
> - Solved issues with signing keys -- All the keys used to sign
>   installation and live images are now listed at:
> 
> https://devuan.org/os/team/
> 
> - free and non-free firmware packages are now included in desktop-live
>   and minimal-live isos. A script to remove all non-free firmware
>   packages from running live images is provided in /root
> 
> - backports (bpo) repos are now correctly pinned at priority 100,
>   meaning that no package from backports will be automatically
>   installed
> 
> - Added a systemd-free version of network-manager
> 
> - New versions of reportbug, desktop-base, xfce4-panel
> 
> - Several more libsystemd0-free packages are now included in the
>   jessie-proposed repo
> 
> - Removed GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon as DE options in tasksel. These
>   three DEs are still (mostly) installable after the installation is
>   complete, but they are known to suffer from some glitches due to the
>   lack of systemd
> 
> - Fixed several minor bugs 
> 
> - A total of 29 different ARM boards are now supported, thanks to the
>   added support for u-boot:
> 
>   - Currently supported boards are:
> 
>   - Acer Chromebook (chromeacer)
> - Veyron/Rockchip Chromebook (chromeveyron)
> - Nokia N900 (n900)
> - Odroid XU (odroidxu)
> - Raspberry Pi 0 and 1 (raspi1)
> - Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 (raspi2)
> - Raspberry Pi 3 - arm64 (raspi3)
> 
> - Allwinner boards are now contained in a single image (sunxi),
>   and their respective U-Boot bootloader downloads are available
>   in the u-boot directory. The currently supported boards are:
> 
> - Olimex: Lime (A10), Lime, Lime2, MICRO (A20)
> - Banana Pi: Pi, Pro (A20)
> - CHIP: CHIP (R8), CHIP Pro (GR8)
> - Cubieboard: Cubieboard (A10), Cubieboard2, Cubietruck (A20)
>   Cubieboard4 (A80), Cubietruck Plus (A83t)
> - Lamobo R1 (A20)
> - OrangePi: OrangePi2, OrangePi Lite, OrangePi Plus (H3)
>   OrangePi Zero (H2+), OrangePi, OrangePi Mini (A20)
> - Allwinner-based Tablet (A33)
> 
>   - More info on these boards can be found in the respective
> README files in the downloads directory
>   
>   - Requests for any Allwinner board support can be sent to
>  or the #devuan-arm IRC channel - Preferably
> they should be supported in mainline Linux and mainline U-Boot
> 
> # Anyone can help Devuan!
> 
> Devuan is a large endeavor involving people of all ages, from
> different countries, with a rainbow of skills and interests.  Anyone
> can contribute to ensure that Devuan maintains its role as a stable
> and reliable universal operating system.
> 
> Here are some suggestions of how you can help Devuan grow and prosper:
> 
> - If you think you have found a bug in a Devuan package, please report
>   it to http://bugs.devuan.org, either by using the `reportbug` tool
>   or directly via email
> 
> - If you think you know how to fix an exiting bug, please report the
>   solution in the corresponding page on http://bugs.devuan.org, or,
>   better, roll-up your sleeves, implement the fix, and get in touch
>   with the development team on IRC (`#devuan-dev` on freenode) to have
>   your patch included in the official repos
>   
> - If you would like a package to be included in Devuan, please
>   consider joining the development team by taking charge of packaging
>   and maintaining it.  This documentation will guide you through the
>