Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-27 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 08:29:01AM -0500, Ken Dibble wrote:
> On 1/25/22 12:53 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 05:43:44AM -0600, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:02 AM Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
> > >  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hendrik Boom  writes:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - 
> > > > > > > bulk
> > > > > > > email for connection.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to 
> > > > > > > do this?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 
> > > > > > > recipients).)
> > > > > > With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was
> > > > > > quite annoying to set up, but once done, it worked.
> > > > > I just use /etc/aliases
> > > > That was my first reaction too ;-)
> > > OK - - -  I'm not a programmer in any shape way or form.
> > > My guess would be when using /etc/aliases - - - - that's some
> > > form of bash programming? using awk or ?
> > > 
> > > Please advise? (purdy (sic) please.
> > It's a list ot aliases.
> > 
> > mom : al...@homeowners.ca
> > 
> > tells that mail for mom is to be sent to al...@homowners.ca
> > 
> > anglers: j...@fish.ca, al...@poisson.ca
> > 
> > tells it that mail for anglers is to be sent to j...@fish.ca and also to 
> > al...@poisson.ca
> > 
> > And that's about all there is to it.  entries in a line of destinations can 
> > refer to other alias lines, but there's a onstraint as to which has to come 
> > first.
> > 
> > Try it out.  Just edit an /etc/aliases into existence, and you'll likely 
> > find it works if your system handles its own email.
> > 
> > -- hendrik
> > 
> > > I just use the tools in the computering universe so far - - - have
> > > barely begun anything any deeper. (Starting with hardware - - -
> > > putting together stuff for control and now starting for sensors.)
> > > 
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> And, if you are like me and occasionally neglect to rtfm,
> 
> don't forget to run newaliases every time you change /etc/aliases.
> 
> Per man 8 newaliases.

I have a reminder in a comment in /etc/aliases

-- hendrik

> 
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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-26 Thread Ken Dibble

On 1/25/22 12:53 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 05:43:44AM -0600, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:02 AM Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
 wrote:


Hendrik Boom  writes:


On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote:

On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng 
 wrote:

Greetings

For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
email for connection.

Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this?

(Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).)

With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was
quite annoying to set up, but once done, it worked.

I just use /etc/aliases

That was my first reaction too ;-)

OK - - -  I'm not a programmer in any shape way or form.
My guess would be when using /etc/aliases - - - - that's some
form of bash programming? using awk or ?

Please advise? (purdy (sic) please.

It's a list ot aliases.

mom : al...@homeowners.ca

tells that mail for mom is to be sent to al...@homowners.ca

anglers: j...@fish.ca, al...@poisson.ca

tells it that mail for anglers is to be sent to j...@fish.ca and also to 
al...@poisson.ca

And that's about all there is to it.  entries in a line of destinations can 
refer to other alias lines, but there's a onstraint as to which has to come 
first.

Try it out.  Just edit an /etc/aliases into existence, and you'll likely find 
it works if your system handles its own email.

-- hendrik


I just use the tools in the computering universe so far - - - have
barely begun anything any deeper. (Starting with hardware - - -
putting together stuff for control and now starting for sensors.)

TIA
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And, if you are like me and occasionally neglect to rtfm,

don't forget to run newaliases every time you change /etc/aliases.

Per man 8 newaliases.


Regards,

Ken

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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-26 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:23:50 +0900
Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng  wrote:

> It does assume though that your mail software delivers through your
> system's sendmail alternative or, if not, pays attention to that file.
> Not sure if things like thunderbird (and libreoffice :-o!) do.


The approach with LibreOffice is different from the one with
'/etc/aliases': LibreOffice can be used to create individualized
mailings, while via the 'aliases' each recipient would receive exactly
the same email (besides the 'To'-header of course).

libre Grüße,
Florian
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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-25 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi,

Hendrik Boom  writes:

> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 05:43:44AM -0600, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:02 AM Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hendrik Boom  writes:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote:
>> > >> On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng 
>> > >>  wrote:
>> > >> > Greetings
>> > >> >
>> > >> > For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
>> > >> > email for connection.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do 
>> > >> > this?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > (Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 
>> > >> > recipients).)
>> > >>
>> > >> With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was
>> > >> quite annoying to set up, but once done, it worked.
>> > >
>> > > I just use /etc/aliases
>> >
>> > That was my first reaction too ;-)
>>
>> OK - - -  I'm not a programmer in any shape way or form.
>> My guess would be when using /etc/aliases - - - - that's some
>> form of bash programming? using awk or ?
>>
>> Please advise? (purdy (sic) please.
>
> It's a list ot aliases.
>
> mom : al...@homeowners.ca
>
> tells that mail for mom is to be sent to al...@homowners.ca
>
> anglers: j...@fish.ca, al...@poisson.ca
>
> tells it that mail for anglers is to be sent to j...@fish.ca and also to 
> al...@poisson.ca
>
> And that's about all there is to it.  entries in a line of
> destinations can refer to other alias lines, but there's a onstraint
> as to which has to come first.

Details about the file format can be found at

  https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/opensmtpd/aliases.5.en.html

> Try it out.  Just edit an /etc/aliases into existence, and you'll
> likely find it works if your system handles its own email.

It does assume though that your mail software delivers through your
system's sendmail alternative or, if not, pays attention to that file.
Not sure if things like thunderbird (and libreoffice :-o!) do.

Hope this helps,
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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 05:43:44AM -0600, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:02 AM Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hendrik Boom  writes:
> >
> > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote:
> > >> On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> > Greetings
> > >> >
> > >> > For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
> > >> > email for connection.
> > >> >
> > >> > Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do 
> > >> > this?
> > >> >
> > >> > (Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 
> > >> > recipients).)
> > >>
> > >> With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was
> > >> quite annoying to set up, but once done, it worked.
> > >
> > > I just use /etc/aliases
> >
> > That was my first reaction too ;-)
> 
> OK - - -  I'm not a programmer in any shape way or form.
> My guess would be when using /etc/aliases - - - - that's some
> form of bash programming? using awk or ?
> 
> Please advise? (purdy (sic) please.

It's a list ot aliases.

mom : al...@homeowners.ca

tells that mail for mom is to be sent to al...@homowners.ca

anglers: j...@fish.ca, al...@poisson.ca

tells it that mail for anglers is to be sent to j...@fish.ca and also to 
al...@poisson.ca

And that's about all there is to it.  entries in a line of destinations can 
refer to other alias lines, but there's a onstraint as to which has to come 
first.

Try it out.  Just edit an /etc/aliases into existence, and you'll likely find 
it works if your system handles its own email.

-- hendrik

> 
> I just use the tools in the computering universe so far - - - have
> barely begun anything any deeper. (Starting with hardware - - -
> putting together stuff for control and now starting for sensors.)
> 
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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-25 Thread o1bigtenor via Dng
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:02 AM Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
 wrote:
>
>
> Hendrik Boom  writes:
>
> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote:
> >> On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng 
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Greetings
> >> >
> >> > For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
> >> > email for connection.
> >> >
> >> > Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this?
> >> >
> >> > (Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).)
> >>
> >> With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was
> >> quite annoying to set up, but once done, it worked.
> >
> > I just use /etc/aliases
>
> That was my first reaction too ;-)

OK - - -  I'm not a programmer in any shape way or form.
My guess would be when using /etc/aliases - - - - that's some
form of bash programming? using awk or ?

Please advise? (purdy (sic) please.

I just use the tools in the computering universe so far - - - have
barely begun anything any deeper. (Starting with hardware - - -
putting together stuff for control and now starting for sensors.)

TIA
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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-25 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng

Hendrik Boom  writes:

> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote:
>> On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng 
>>  wrote:
>> > Greetings
>> >
>> > For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
>> > email for connection.
>> >
>> > Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this?
>> >
>> > (Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).)
>>
>> With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was
>> quite annoying to set up, but once done, it worked.
>
> I just use /etc/aliases

That was my first reaction too ;-)
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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-24 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 21:44:35 +0100
Florian Zieboll via Dng  wrote:

> (...)



Sorry, list, it was not my intension to talk politics here, damn: This
had been meant to go offlist! 

I fell for the "$sendername" (via Dng) in the 'From' header.

libre Grüße,
Florian



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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-24 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:51:09 -0600
o1bigtenor via Dng  wrote:

> Will have to take a look at this 'constant contact'.


As you are considering "cloud based" solutions, depending on your and
the recipients' attitude towards "left-wing activism" [1], you
might want to have a look at riseup.net: They provide mailing list
services, too [2]. IIRC, you can keep lists "private".

While they have become much too big for me to believe, that they are not
deeply borked (they are a US based tech collective, [3]), I am quite
sure that no user data ever gets transferred to the conventional ad
industry.

everlibre Grüße and best regards,
Florian



[1] Not sure about mine at the moment, at least regarding the latest
spin towards authoritarian support for pharmaceutical corporations
and their puppets. Although one might say that this is just the
logical consequence of a long term progression: I am still very
impressed and bow my head to the choreograph, lol.

[2] https://lists.riseup.net/www/

[3] "As of 2013, Riseup features 6 million subscribers spread across
14,000 lists." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riseup
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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-24 Thread o1bigtenor via Dng
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:59 AM Curtis Maurand via Dng
 wrote:
>
> How about PHPList?  It works like constant contact or mailchimp.
> mailchimp has a "free" level of service.  So far mailchimp has been
> enough for the small concert choir I do work for.
>

Hm - - - did a took a look at phplist - - - -
3rd post (IIRC) was titled:

Being marked as spam on all @hotmail, @outlook, @live, and @yahoo addresses

it sounds like a somewhat common issue - - - that would mean that
phplist is a little
short - - - - many people have their email accounts with one of those
providers. (Most
of the people I know in fact.)
Mailchimp seems quite widely used and even their website feels sorta
like its into
the data slurp.
Will have to take a look at this 'constant contact'.

thanks for the ideas!

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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-24 Thread Curtis Maurand via Dng
How about PHPList?  It works like constant contact or mailchimp. 
mailchimp has a "free" level of service.  So far mailchimp has been 
enough for the small concert choir I do work for.


--Curtis

On 1/23/22 2:14 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote:

On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng 
 wrote:

Greetings

For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
email for connection.

Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this?

(Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).)

TIA


With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was quite 
annoying to set up, but once done, it worked.


I just use /etc/aliases

-- hendrik


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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote:
> On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng 
>  wrote:
> > Greetings
> > 
> > For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
> > email for connection.
> > 
> > Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this?
> > 
> > (Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).)
> > 
> > TIA
> 
> 
> With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was quite 
> annoying to set up, but once done, it worked.
> 

I just use /etc/aliases

-- hendrik

> 
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Re: [DNG] software question

2022-01-23 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng 
 wrote:
> Greetings
> 
> For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
> email for connection.
> 
> Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this?
> 
> (Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).)
> 
> TIA


With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was quite 
annoying to set up, but once done, it worked.


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[DNG] software question

2022-01-21 Thread o1bigtenor via Dng
Greetings

For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
email for connection.

Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this?

(Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).)

TIA
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