Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

[KatolaZ]

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 02:10:14AM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
> hey thanks everyone I actually didnt know the --enable-kvm Switch was such an 
> improvement :-) this will make the development process snappier
> 
> feedback on how the pre alpha feels is welcome, we shall work on making a few 
> things better, looking fwd to dimkr input if we can already get around logind 
> in such an early stage that would be awesome (but not strictly necessary IMO)
> 

Since you are asking, something we might want to avoid is having
non-functioning buttons :) I know it's a pre-alpha, but the "Web
Browser" button tries to open w3m and all you can see is (obviously) a
terminal for 1/4th of a second and then nothing :)

My2Cents

KatolaZ

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Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

[Jaromil]

hey thanks everyone I actually didnt know the --enable-kvm Switch was such an 
improvement :-) this will make the development process snappier

feedback on how the pre alpha feels is welcome, we shall work on making a few 
things better, looking fwd to dimkr input if we can already get around logind 
in such an early stage that would be awesome (but not strictly necessary IMO)

ciao

On February 17, 2015 11:53:01 PM GMT+01:00, Steve Litt 
 wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:48:02 +
>KatolaZ  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:36:38AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>> 
>> [cut]
>> 
>> > 
>> > Then KatolaZ exactly documented the four steps to installation, and
>> > I said "I can do that in my sleep, while doing other work!" So I
>> > did it, and it worked (although slowly because -enable-kvm wasn't
>> > in the commands). KatolaZ' four step document.
>> > 
>> 
>> Sorry guys for forgetting the -enable-kvm switch, but as I said I was
>> practically asleep when I wrote the nano-howto. Fortunately this was
>> spotted quite soon :) Hope this has not had a bad impact on potential
>> DVNRs (to be read "Devuaners" :P) ...
>> 
>> HND
>> 
>> KatolaZ
>> 
>
>KatolaZ,
>
>Quite the opposite. I congratulate you on your great four step
>document. That doc singlehandedly got me to try pre-alpha Valentine.
>The fact that you left out one thing is trivial because it brought us
>very close to the exact four instructions. I think too many people
>decide not to write such docs in order not to risk leaving something
>out, but my belief is the perfect is the enemy of the good, and besides
>that, if you write good docs, somebody is bound to find and point out
>any deficiencies, along with suggested corrections.
>
>The only bad effect it had on me was the happiness I got getting it to
>work. My doctor told me every happy person eventually dies.
>
>:-)
>
>I'm copying the dng list because, for whatever reason, your post didn't
>make it to the DNG list, even though your post was addressed to the DNG
>list.
>
>Thanks again for the great instructions. Keep up the good work.
>
>SteveT
>
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Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:48:02 +
KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:36:38AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> [cut]
> 
> > 
> > Then KatolaZ exactly documented the four steps to installation, and
> > I said "I can do that in my sleep, while doing other work!" So I
> > did it, and it worked (although slowly because -enable-kvm wasn't
> > in the commands). KatolaZ' four step document.
> > 
> 
> Sorry guys for forgetting the -enable-kvm switch, but as I said I was
> practically asleep when I wrote the nano-howto. Fortunately this was
> spotted quite soon :) Hope this has not had a bad impact on potential
> DVNRs (to be read "Devuaners" :P) ...
> 
> HND
> 
> KatolaZ
> 

KatolaZ,

Quite the opposite. I congratulate you on your great four step
document. That doc singlehandedly got me to try pre-alpha Valentine.
The fact that you left out one thing is trivial because it brought us
very close to the exact four instructions. I think too many people
decide not to write such docs in order not to risk leaving something
out, but my belief is the perfect is the enemy of the good, and besides
that, if you write good docs, somebody is bound to find and point out
any deficiencies, along with suggested corrections.

The only bad effect it had on me was the happiness I got getting it to
work. My doctor told me every happy person eventually dies.

:-)

I'm copying the dng list because, for whatever reason, your post didn't
make it to the DNG list, even though your post was addressed to the DNG
list.

Thanks again for the great instructions. Keep up the good work.

SteveT

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Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:36:38AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:

[cut]

> 
> Then KatolaZ exactly documented the four steps to installation, and I
> said "I can do that in my sleep, while doing other work!" So I did it,
> and it worked (although slowly because -enable-kvm wasn't in the
> commands). KatolaZ' four step document.
> 

Sorry guys for forgetting the -enable-kvm switch, but as I said I was
practically asleep when I wrote the nano-howto. Fortunately this was
spotted quite soon :) Hope this has not had a bad impact on potential
DVNRs (to be read "Devuaners" :P) ...

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

[Didier Kryn]

  
  
    Was probably based on deprecated printed-doc time philosophy ;-)

    Didier

Le 17/02/2015 17:57, Gravis a écrit :

  > A
  document that makes installation and use trivial, and makes it
> simple, is
worth its weight in gold.

  
the instructions
dont actually weigh anything so saying it's worth it's
weight in gold is saying they aren't worth anything. ;)
  
  

  --Gravis


On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Steve
  Litt 
  wrote:
  On Sun, 15
Feb 2015 02:52:12 +
KatolaZ 
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> a few simple steps to have Devuan-pre-alpha-valentine
installed and
> running on qemu:
>
> 0)# wget
> "http://mirror.debianfork.org/devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso"
>
> 1)$ apt-get install qemu-kvm
>
> 2)$ qemu-img create devuan_disk 5G
>     (creates a 5G qemu disk image for devuan)
>
> 3)$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom
> devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso -hda
devuan_disk -boot
> d -net nic -net user -m 256 -localtime & (installs
Devuan on the qemu
> disk image)
>
> 4)$ qemu-system-x86_64  -hda devuan_disk -boot c -net
nic -net user
> -m 256 -localtime & (boots the system)
>
> Just two words: IT WORKS :)

No way did I have time to install the pre-alpha Valentine,
and that
fact distressed me because I was one of those asking for a
quick
release as a confidence builder. But I just didn't have the
time.

Then KatolaZ exactly documented the four steps to
installation, and I
said "I can do that in my sleep, while doing other work!" So
I did it,
and it worked (although slowly because -enable-kvm wasn't in
the
commands). KatolaZ' four step document.

A document that makes installation and use trivial, and
makes it
simple, is worth its weight in gold. Thanks KatolaZ.

SteveT

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Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

[Gravis]

> A document that makes installation and use trivial, and makes it
> simple, is worth its weight in gold.

the instructions dont actually weigh anything so saying it's worth it's
weight in gold is saying they aren't worth anything. ;)

--Gravis

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:52:12 +
> KatolaZ  wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > a few simple steps to have Devuan-pre-alpha-valentine installed and
> > running on qemu:
> >
> > 0)# wget
> > "
> http://mirror.debianfork.org/devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso
> "
> >
> > 1)$ apt-get install qemu-kvm
> >
> > 2)$ qemu-img create devuan_disk 5G
> > (creates a 5G qemu disk image for devuan)
> >
> > 3)$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom
> > devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso -hda devuan_disk -boot
> > d -net nic -net user -m 256 -localtime & (installs Devuan on the qemu
> > disk image)
> >
> > 4)$ qemu-system-x86_64  -hda devuan_disk -boot c -net nic -net user
> > -m 256 -localtime & (boots the system)
> >
> > Just two words: IT WORKS :)
>
> No way did I have time to install the pre-alpha Valentine, and that
> fact distressed me because I was one of those asking for a quick
> release as a confidence builder. But I just didn't have the time.
>
> Then KatolaZ exactly documented the four steps to installation, and I
> said "I can do that in my sleep, while doing other work!" So I did it,
> and it worked (although slowly because -enable-kvm wasn't in the
> commands). KatolaZ' four step document.
>
> A document that makes installation and use trivial, and makes it
> simple, is worth its weight in gold. Thanks KatolaZ.
>
> SteveT
>
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[Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

[Steve Litt]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:52:12 +
KatolaZ  wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> a few simple steps to have Devuan-pre-alpha-valentine installed and
> running on qemu:
> 
> 0)# wget
> "http://mirror.debianfork.org/devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso";
> 
> 1)$ apt-get install qemu-kvm 
> 
> 2)$ qemu-img create devuan_disk 5G 
> (creates a 5G qemu disk image for devuan)
> 
> 3)$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom
> devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso -hda devuan_disk -boot
> d -net nic -net user -m 256 -localtime & (installs Devuan on the qemu
> disk image)
> 
> 4)$ qemu-system-x86_64  -hda devuan_disk -boot c -net nic -net user
> -m 256 -localtime & (boots the system)
> 
> Just two words: IT WORKS :)

No way did I have time to install the pre-alpha Valentine, and that
fact distressed me because I was one of those asking for a quick
release as a confidence builder. But I just didn't have the time.

Then KatolaZ exactly documented the four steps to installation, and I
said "I can do that in my sleep, while doing other work!" So I did it,
and it worked (although slowly because -enable-kvm wasn't in the
commands). KatolaZ' four step document.

A document that makes installation and use trivial, and makes it
simple, is worth its weight in gold. Thanks KatolaZ.

SteveT

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