Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
Hi Milos, I am still investigating, but I am reasonably sure it is not your script that is the problem. I may have unintentionally mislead you by referring to cross-references, the links in your files appear to be correct, but I am finding errors in the written text for those links which are not the fault of your script. Hazel's files show the correct typed text and other changes appear in the Accept or Reject dialog, but there is nothing showing up there to indicate that she actually made changes to correct the page numbers. Thanks for the OS and version info. I have set up a VM replication of your configuration for testing. I have sent you a separate message with a link to a complete set files I downloaded from ODFAuthors on October 3rd. when Jean announced their publication. Best Regards Dave Original Message From: Milos Sramek msrame...@gmail.com To: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:19:22 +0200 Hi Dave, meanwhile I have studied the problem a bit deeper and found out that update of the table of contents updates the references too. I've also tested the script - it does not change page numbering (in fact it cannot do that, it does not enter such tags). Normally, when removing a large piece of text, the references are updated, so I cannot imagine a situation when the numbering can be corrupted. Maybe a bug somewhere. I use Ubuntu and the LO version was probably 4.2.6. I've updated to 4.2.7 a week ago. Unfortunately, some days ago I deleted the directories with the old and manually processed WG42 files, so I do not know when this happened. Don't you happen to have the version from October 3-rd? I would like to understand the problem and eventually to file a bug. best Milos On 2014-10-23 12:17, Dave Barton wrote: Hi Milos, Don't be too quick to blame your script, it might not be the cause of the issue I have encountered. I copied all the files (the originals, yours and Hazel's corrections) over to another computer with a different version of Writer and now I am seeing something different. I am starting to think that it may have something to do with the OS and versions each of us are using. Let me work on this over the next couple of days and I will report back. In the meantime it would be helpful if you and Hazel would be kind enough to let me know details of the OS and LO version you are both using. Thanks for the tip about correcting page references. Regards Dave Original Message From: Milos Sramek msrame...@gmail.com To: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:57:52 +0200 Dear Dave, I am sorry to have caused problems. I've even compared the original and corrected document, did not see any differences. Since LO does not compare everything, this may be the reason why I did not notice. I do not know how did this happen. There is, however, a very simple way how to correct the page references: open a file and insert arbitrary page reference to heading anywhere - in that moment all incorrect references change to correct values (looks to be a kind o magic). Then delete the just inserted reference. So, it is not necessary to manually incorporate Hazel's correction into the old files again. This would be a lot of work, and my work will be lost, too. I can, for course, do that by myself, if you agree. I have to find the reason. I've been using the script for about a year, but the problem started to appear only recently. Sorry for causing problems again best regards Milos On 2014-10-22 22:05, Dave Barton wrote: Hazel Russman wrote: 8-- snip --8 Nothing needs to be redone. All that is needed is to use LO's built-in merge facility to merge the published version with the two corrected versions. It will flag up all changes and you can decide which ones to incorporate. It appears that we have a bigger problem. I have just started working to review/merge your corrections into the cleaned XML files provided by Milos and I am finding that the cleaning process has created many errors, especially in cross-references. Just one of numerous examples: WG4201 - In the originally published file and Hazel's revision the cross-references on Page 23 to page 24 are correct. In the cleaned file these cross-references erroneously point to page 26. Since I was responsible for replacing the originally published files with the cleaned files on the wiki and ODFAuthors, without checking for these kinds of issues first, I will: a) Revert the files I replaced to the originally published files. b) Review/merge your corrections with the originally published files. c) Publish the corrected files. I think it is more important to have accurate documentation than it is to worry about minor XML inaccuracies. Sorry to have been part of the problem while trying to be part of the solution. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
Googlemail wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:36 +0200 Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: Hi Milos, Don't be too quick to blame your script, it might not be the cause of the issue I have encountered. I copied all the files (the originals, yours and Hazel's corrections) over to another computer with a different version of Writer and now I am seeing something different. I am starting to think that it may have something to do with the OS and versions each of us are using. Let me work on this over the next couple of days and I will report back. In the meantime it would be helpful if you and Hazel would be kind enough to let me know details of the OS and LO version you are both using. Thanks for the tip about correcting page references. Regards Dave I am using LibreOffice 4.2.6.3 on Crux Linux. This is the official Crux version of the package. H Russman Thanks Hazel. I have set up a VM replication of your configuration for testing. Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
Dave Barton wrote: Hi Milos, I am still investigating, but I am reasonably sure it is not your script that is the problem. I may have unintentionally mislead you by referring to cross-references, the links in your files appear to be correct, but I am finding errors in the written text for those links which are not the fault of your script. Hazel's files show the correct typed text and other changes appear in the Accept or Reject dialog, but there is nothing showing up there to indicate that she actually made changes to correct the page numbers. Thanks for the OS and version info. I have set up a VM replication of your configuration for testing. I have sent you a separate message with a link to a complete set files I downloaded from ODFAuthors on October 3rd. when Jean announced their publication. Best Regards Dave OK some progress. The issue with the page numbers is resolved by a simple TOC Update Index/Table. However, in some instances this causes loss of the document graphics. I am working around this by updating the TOC before making any other edits. Hazel's corrected documents indicate the removal of some (not all) spurious spaces and characters that do not exist in the originally published files. So I will make Hazel's changes to the cleaned XML files manually, even though it is more work I am not about to chance a document merge. Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
Hi Dave, Le 22/10/2014 22:05, Dave Barton a écrit : Hazel Russman wrote: 8-- snip --8 Nothing needs to be redone. All that is needed is to use LO's built-in merge facility to merge the published version with the two corrected versions. It will flag up all changes and you can decide which ones to incorporate. It appears that we have a bigger problem. I have just started working to review/merge your corrections into the cleaned XML files provided by Milos and I am finding that the cleaning process has created many errors, especially in cross-references. Just one of numerous examples: WG4201 - In the originally published file and Hazel's revision the cross-references on Page 23 to page 24 are correct. In the cleaned file these cross-references erroneously point to page 26. Since I was responsible for replacing the originally published files with the cleaned files on the wiki and ODFAuthors, without checking for these kinds of issues first, I will: a) Revert the files I replaced to the originally published files. b) Review/merge your corrections with the originally published files. c) Publish the corrected files. Ok, thanks a lot. I think it is more important to have accurate documentation than it is to worry about minor XML inaccuracies. Yes, on one hand because the EN documentation is the source, and on the other hand, having clean xml files allow an easier workflow for translators. Sorry to have been part of the problem while trying to be part of the solution. Don't feel sorry, on the contrary, thanks a lot for your work. Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
Dear Dave, I am sorry to have caused problems. I've even compared the original and corrected document, did not see any differences. Since LO does not compare everything, this may be the reason why I did not notice. I do not know how did this happen. There is, however, a very simple way how to correct the page references: open a file and insert arbitrary page reference to heading anywhere - in that moment all incorrect references change to correct values (looks to be a kind o magic). Then delete the just inserted reference. So, it is not necessary to manually incorporate Hazel's correction into the old files again. This would be a lot of work, and my work will be lost, too. I can, for course, do that by myself, if you agree. I have to find the reason. I've been using the script for about a year, but the problem started to appear only recently. Sorry for causing problems again best regards Milos On 2014-10-22 22:05, Dave Barton wrote: Hazel Russman wrote: 8-- snip --8 Nothing needs to be redone. All that is needed is to use LO's built-in merge facility to merge the published version with the two corrected versions. It will flag up all changes and you can decide which ones to incorporate. It appears that we have a bigger problem. I have just started working to review/merge your corrections into the cleaned XML files provided by Milos and I am finding that the cleaning process has created many errors, especially in cross-references. Just one of numerous examples: WG4201 - In the originally published file and Hazel's revision the cross-references on Page 23 to page 24 are correct. In the cleaned file these cross-references erroneously point to page 26. Since I was responsible for replacing the originally published files with the cleaned files on the wiki and ODFAuthors, without checking for these kinds of issues first, I will: a) Revert the files I replaced to the originally published files. b) Review/merge your corrections with the originally published files. c) Publish the corrected files. I think it is more important to have accurate documentation than it is to worry about minor XML inaccuracies. Sorry to have been part of the problem while trying to be part of the solution. Dave -- Milos Sramek, msrame...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
Hi Milos, Don't be too quick to blame your script, it might not be the cause of the issue I have encountered. I copied all the files (the originals, yours and Hazel's corrections) over to another computer with a different version of Writer and now I am seeing something different. I am starting to think that it may have something to do with the OS and versions each of us are using. Let me work on this over the next couple of days and I will report back. In the meantime it would be helpful if you and Hazel would be kind enough to let me know details of the OS and LO version you are both using. Thanks for the tip about correcting page references. Regards Dave Original Message From: Milos Sramek msrame...@gmail.com To: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:57:52 +0200 Dear Dave, I am sorry to have caused problems. I've even compared the original and corrected document, did not see any differences. Since LO does not compare everything, this may be the reason why I did not notice. I do not know how did this happen. There is, however, a very simple way how to correct the page references: open a file and insert arbitrary page reference to heading anywhere - in that moment all incorrect references change to correct values (looks to be a kind o magic). Then delete the just inserted reference. So, it is not necessary to manually incorporate Hazel's correction into the old files again. This would be a lot of work, and my work will be lost, too. I can, for course, do that by myself, if you agree. I have to find the reason. I've been using the script for about a year, but the problem started to appear only recently. Sorry for causing problems again best regards Milos On 2014-10-22 22:05, Dave Barton wrote: Hazel Russman wrote: 8-- snip --8 Nothing needs to be redone. All that is needed is to use LO's built-in merge facility to merge the published version with the two corrected versions. It will flag up all changes and you can decide which ones to incorporate. It appears that we have a bigger problem. I have just started working to review/merge your corrections into the cleaned XML files provided by Milos and I am finding that the cleaning process has created many errors, especially in cross-references. Just one of numerous examples: WG4201 - In the originally published file and Hazel's revision the cross-references on Page 23 to page 24 are correct. In the cleaned file these cross-references erroneously point to page 26. Since I was responsible for replacing the originally published files with the cleaned files on the wiki and ODFAuthors, without checking for these kinds of issues first, I will: a) Revert the files I replaced to the originally published files. b) Review/merge your corrections with the originally published files. c) Publish the corrected files. I think it is more important to have accurate documentation than it is to worry about minor XML inaccuracies. Sorry to have been part of the problem while trying to be part of the solution. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:36 +0200 Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: Hi Milos, Don't be too quick to blame your script, it might not be the cause of the issue I have encountered. I copied all the files (the originals, yours and Hazel's corrections) over to another computer with a different version of Writer and now I am seeing something different. I am starting to think that it may have something to do with the OS and versions each of us are using. Let me work on this over the next couple of days and I will report back. In the meantime it would be helpful if you and Hazel would be kind enough to let me know details of the OS and LO version you are both using. Thanks for the tip about correcting page references. Regards Dave I am using LibreOffice 4.2.6.3 on Crux Linux. This is the official Crux version of the package. H Russman -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
Hi Dave, meanwhile I have studied the problem a bit deeper and found out that update of the table of contents updates the references too. I've also tested the script - it does not change page numbering (in fact it cannot do that, it does not enter such tags). Normally, when removing a large piece of text, the references are updated, so I cannot imagine a situation when the numbering can be corrupted. Maybe a bug somewhere. I use Ubuntu and the LO version was probably 4.2.6. I've updated to 4.2.7 a week ago. Unfortunately, some days ago I deleted the directories with the old and manually processed WG42 files, so I do not know when this happened. Don't you happen to have the version from October 3-rd? I would like to understand the problem and eventually to file a bug. best Milos On 2014-10-23 12:17, Dave Barton wrote: Hi Milos, Don't be too quick to blame your script, it might not be the cause of the issue I have encountered. I copied all the files (the originals, yours and Hazel's corrections) over to another computer with a different version of Writer and now I am seeing something different. I am starting to think that it may have something to do with the OS and versions each of us are using. Let me work on this over the next couple of days and I will report back. In the meantime it would be helpful if you and Hazel would be kind enough to let me know details of the OS and LO version you are both using. Thanks for the tip about correcting page references. Regards Dave Original Message From: Milos Sramek msrame...@gmail.com To: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:57:52 +0200 Dear Dave, I am sorry to have caused problems. I've even compared the original and corrected document, did not see any differences. Since LO does not compare everything, this may be the reason why I did not notice. I do not know how did this happen. There is, however, a very simple way how to correct the page references: open a file and insert arbitrary page reference to heading anywhere - in that moment all incorrect references change to correct values (looks to be a kind o magic). Then delete the just inserted reference. So, it is not necessary to manually incorporate Hazel's correction into the old files again. This would be a lot of work, and my work will be lost, too. I can, for course, do that by myself, if you agree. I have to find the reason. I've been using the script for about a year, but the problem started to appear only recently. Sorry for causing problems again best regards Milos On 2014-10-22 22:05, Dave Barton wrote: Hazel Russman wrote: 8-- snip --8 Nothing needs to be redone. All that is needed is to use LO's built-in merge facility to merge the published version with the two corrected versions. It will flag up all changes and you can decide which ones to incorporate. It appears that we have a bigger problem. I have just started working to review/merge your corrections into the cleaned XML files provided by Milos and I am finding that the cleaning process has created many errors, especially in cross-references. Just one of numerous examples: WG4201 - In the originally published file and Hazel's revision the cross-references on Page 23 to page 24 are correct. In the cleaned file these cross-references erroneously point to page 26. Since I was responsible for replacing the originally published files with the cleaned files on the wiki and ODFAuthors, without checking for these kinds of issues first, I will: a) Revert the files I replaced to the originally published files. b) Review/merge your corrections with the originally published files. c) Publish the corrected files. I think it is more important to have accurate documentation than it is to worry about minor XML inaccuracies. Sorry to have been part of the problem while trying to be part of the solution. Dave -- Milos Sramek, msrame...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:19:04 +0100 Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) Ok, i keep not understanding what's happening. Was that done to the old version of the chapter before the chaps did all the work on clearing x-refs and stuff? So are they having to re-do all their work, or is it just Hazel's work that needs to be re-done? Is it kinda working? Is the work-flow problematic? Is there possibly a better work-flow for the future? Sorry, i am having a very bad-hair day here. Regards from Tom :) Nothing needs to be redone. All that is needed is to use LO's built-in merge facility to merge the published version with the two corrected versions. It will flag up all changes and you can decide which ones to incorporate. -- Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
Hazel Russman wrote: 8-- snip --8 Nothing needs to be redone. All that is needed is to use LO's built-in merge facility to merge the published version with the two corrected versions. It will flag up all changes and you can decide which ones to incorporate. It appears that we have a bigger problem. I have just started working to review/merge your corrections into the cleaned XML files provided by Milos and I am finding that the cleaning process has created many errors, especially in cross-references. Just one of numerous examples: WG4201 - In the originally published file and Hazel's revision the cross-references on Page 23 to page 24 are correct. In the cleaned file these cross-references erroneously point to page 26. Since I was responsible for replacing the originally published files with the cleaned files on the wiki and ODFAuthors, without checking for these kinds of issues first, I will: a) Revert the files I replaced to the originally published files. b) Review/merge your corrections with the originally published files. c) Publish the corrected files. I think it is more important to have accurate documentation than it is to worry about minor XML inaccuracies. Sorry to have been part of the problem while trying to be part of the solution. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 4.2 Chapter 12. TOCS and indexes
Hi :) Ok, i keep not understanding what's happening. Was that done to the old version of the chapter before the chaps did all the work on clearing x-refs and stuff? So are they having to re-do all their work, or is it just Hazel's work that needs to be re-done? Is it kinda working? Is the work-flow problematic? Is there possibly a better work-flow for the future? Sorry, i am having a very bad-hair day here. Regards from Tom :) On 22 October 2014 15:21, Googlemail hazeldeb...@googlemail.com wrote: I have uploaded a version of this to the feedback folder. -- Hazel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
