Re: [Dovecot] global vs user script
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 08:45:31AM +0200, Steffen Kaiser wrote: On Tue, 8 May 2007, M1 wrote: I glanced over the current Sieve library (CMU): 1) 3 global scripts, 1 execute before user script, 1 execute after user script, 1 execute only if there is no user script. I didn't found an easy way to let the parser read in more than one script in a row. There is a function that translates just one file into the bytecode. It is not iterative. 2) Call global script from user script or call user script from global script. Maybe, one could expand Sieve to have some sort of include statement. It could work. However, there are at least two other Sieve implementations, too, there had been some suggestions to look into them, but nobody jump into til now. Speaking as the author of one of them, maybe, depending on whether mine was one of the two you refer to, I can say how my implementation handles it. This is only quasi-on-topic, hit 'd' if you don't care; I hesitated quite a while before responding since I've rambled on about it here before, but in the end wasn't able to resist, as you can see. mvmda, which is the beast I refer to, is intended to be both system-admin-friendly and expert-user-friendly. Having both those things at once is hard to arrange. One of the ways it tries to do this is to defer a lot of its control flow and logic to a site-wide script, which the system administrator must install and tweak (well, you can get by without one, but that would be another tangent). This would be the global script. The global script executes in an admin mode in which all permissions are enabled, meaning that the global script can pretty much do what it wants. A typical script (typical because I'm using one like this and because one like it comes with the distribution) would do something like: - define namespaces and mailstore locations, probably tailored to the specific user being delivered to; - interpret any command line arguments as if they were script file names, and attempt to run them (e.g. from the user's homedir or base dir), each in turn, with admin mode turned off; - if no scripts are found, attempt to run one with a standard name (e.g. filter.mfl or filter.sieve -- so no script need be named on the command line); - if still no scripts have been found, attempt to run a system-wide one (the name could be derived from the username or the user's group name or any other variable information, to provide for classes of global scripts). Since control always returns to the site-wide script, there can also be common post-user-script actions taken. The scripting language is an mixture of Sieve and C-like constructs. User-level scripts need not use anything other than Sieve, but the system-wide script pretty much has to use non-Sieve elements (and advanced script writers can as well). http://www.mvmf.org/ I'm actively using it in dovecot environments as well as in UW environments, and in qmail as well as sendmail environments- it adapts well. One downside is indeed the requirement for a system-wide script and potentially other system-wide stuff, as that presents a steeper install/learning curve than you might expect from a delivery agent. On the upside, you can get a lot of consistency at the user script level, and you also get a nice qmail-smtpd replacement :) mm
Re: [Dovecot] global vs user script
On Friday 11 May 2007 03:53, M1 wrote: Dear Mark, Yes, you're right. I posted the wrong link. I do not know much about rfc system. What does it mean by expired? Internet Drafts must be updated, or submitted for official review and publication as an RFC, within six months, otherwise they are considered dead, which means they are deleted from the IETF's public repository. http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.html#expiry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Draft -- Magnus Holmgren[EMAIL PROTECTED] (No Cc of list mail needed, thanks) Exim is better at being younger, whereas sendmail is better for Scrabble (50 point bonus for clearing your rack) -- Dave Evans pgp4rseT5uRX5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Dovecot] global vs user script
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 05:16:41PM +0800, M1 wrote: Referring to http://wiki.fastmail.fm/wiki/index.php/SieveExtensionsSupportMatrix , there is already a include sieve extensive and it is already implemented by cmu cyrus ==2.3== The rfc draft is here === http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-notify-mailto-02.txt That would be a mailto notify draft :) The last include draft was: draft-daboo-sieve-include-05.txt but has expired. For reference you can find it here: http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-daboo-sieve-include/ (via the http://sieve.info/ site) mm
Re: [Dovecot] global vs user script
Dear Mark, Yes, you're right. I posted the wrong link. I do not know much about rfc system. What does it mean by expired? regards, Steve Mark E. Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 05:16:41PM +0800, M1 wrote: Referring to http://wiki.fastmail.fm/wiki/index.php/SieveExtensionsSupportMatrix , there is already a include sieve extensive and it is already implemented by cmu cyrus ==2.3== The rfc draft is here === http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-notify-mailto-02.txt That would be a mailto notify draft :) The last include draft was: draft-daboo-sieve-include-05.txt but has expired. For reference you can find it here: http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-daboo-sieve-include/ (via the http://sieve.info/ site) mm
Re: [Dovecot] global vs user script
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 8 May 2007, M1 wrote: I glanced over the current Sieve library (CMU): 1) 3 global scripts, 1 execute before user script, 1 execute after user script, 1 execute only if there is no user script. I didn't found an easy way to let the parser read in more than one script in a row. There is a function that translates just one file into the bytecode. It is not iterative. 2) Call global script from user script or call user script from global script. Maybe, one could expand Sieve to have some sort of include statement. It could work. However, there are at least two other Sieve implementations, too, there had been some suggestions to look into them, but nobody jump into til now. Bye, - -- Steffen Kaiser -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRkAcjS9SORjhbDpvAQJIVwf+P/IFkwlE5Hs+/B1d0vie2jzWAjWMOa4C xLuTS4kMvnaxS7NBQs26W9CVvHrcx1J1TNzxm0wy40p4MuN6R57K6k6XdtLUf8tJ ueoEIfd2Uf/l/ulCdn0t3hbz1Rwk43K9aKdoYEUcHMXsRy2kT8QrWNhxZKYH2G3u /k9Zg6Vjp8/ZqdDP34f365w9diNzylU+sdQbJXm5FvjLo/sbVXcxWQiI0c/NW78O Kqj9Clv/izufMcNqqLkk8z1FMcJRgpjqLCw2iGV1nBDHrEjBuN2Y4UuV3MqeLD9a bhkBDbw/GpanSgrB59YOUfKtuJrF9Vcg7duHVVaYnCBOfMYB30wXRw== =JXVy -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Dovecot] global vs user script
On Fri, 4 May 2007, M1 wrote: What is the order of execution if both user and global sieve script exists? There was some discussion about it, what the order _should_ be. As far as I know: if exists user Sieve script then run user Sieve script elif exists global Sieve script then run global Sieve script fi Bye, -- Steffen Kaiser
Re: [Dovecot] global vs user script
That's mean global script will not run if there is user script. Am I right? Any way to enforce gloabl script even there is a user script? Regards, Steve Steffen Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 4 May 2007, M1 wrote: What is the order of execution if both user and global sieve script exists? There was some discussion about it, what the order _should_ be. As far as I know: if exists user Sieve script then run user Sieve script elif exists global Sieve script then run global Sieve script fi Bye, -- Steffen Kaiser
Re: [Dovecot] global vs user script
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 7 May 2007, M1 wrote: Any way to enforce gloabl script even there is a user script? Not that I know of. I would patch the cmusieve plugin so that: a) it reads both scripts* in the order you like AND b) drop the results (compiled script or errors) into the homedirectory of the user. Bye, - -- Steffen Kaiser -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRj8UUS9SORjhbDpvAQIPhQgA2fVXaCcbOkBpSQoKIvGTY3Sb4+LUZhMO L7qxabvy/y7H07oq2oOWNVfUe5UVRiKJOJ1BizR7XQSks4PZhiL2i4WNb95BjDom jx8GXjifv2lAHDMgyzvxfVRm6HtQp88JyL7JG27DeTrDva35zF6mxYhQZhJ6rtlC flSGJdylfOpI2SWiBJRjd3w8fDIjKBLJlVOk9t0XPOt9pyF5Dwp4AQB52Yax+K81 /HKEkV4rbLfXXR9et8/oIdLjsn31SpIIqNqxWLPFMR17IDof330G8fEeWKOQ9/b5 PEgFS1SDV/h3wr4jD9nJGL5nb0xuPQmXq3y7Zi5KJryFQGLkiyq6jQ== =AvUD -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Dovecot] global vs user script
I have 2 ideas. 1) 3 global scripts, 1 execute before user script, 1 execute after user script, 1 execute only if there is no user script. 2) Call global script from user script or call user script from global script. Regards, Steve Steffen Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 7 May 2007, M1 wrote: Any way to enforce gloabl script even there is a user script? Not that I know of. I would patch the cmusieve plugin so that: a) it reads both scripts* in the order you like AND b) drop the results (compiled script or errors) into the homedirectory of the user. Bye, - -- Steffen Kaiser -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRj8UUS9SORjhbDpvAQIPhQgA2fVXaCcbOkBpSQoKIvGTY3Sb4+LUZhMO L7qxabvy/y7H07oq2oOWNVfUe5UVRiKJOJ1BizR7XQSks4PZhiL2i4WNb95BjDom jx8GXjifv2lAHDMgyzvxfVRm6HtQp88JyL7JG27DeTrDva35zF6mxYhQZhJ6rtlC flSGJdylfOpI2SWiBJRjd3w8fDIjKBLJlVOk9t0XPOt9pyF5Dwp4AQB52Yax+K81 /HKEkV4rbLfXXR9et8/oIdLjsn31SpIIqNqxWLPFMR17IDof330G8fEeWKOQ9/b5 PEgFS1SDV/h3wr4jD9nJGL5nb0xuPQmXq3y7Zi5KJryFQGLkiyq6jQ== =AvUD -END PGP SIGNATURE-
