[e-gold-list] Re: Scam postings...question

2001-05-02 Thread CCS

Concerning the nature of OSGold...

It seems that OSGold is aimed at serving various scams and their
customers.  It is good that these people have some other place 
to go rather than e-gold so that the development of e-gold is not
distorted by their activities.

 2) They don't describe how they are holding the gold in reserve, 
 other than in vague generalities.

Quite possibly they don't have any gold.  And for their purposes
it probably does not matter if they don't care about sound money. 
What their customers do need is just an untraceable way to 
quickly transfer ordinary money so that the scamsters can get 
away with their loot.  The gold part of e-gold is not what made 
e-gold useful to the scamsters.

 they said that they handle about 40,000 transactions a week, and 
 several inconsistencies come up: 1) It took E-Gold 5 years to 
 reach 40,000 transactions a week, but only seems to have taken 
 OSGold 2 months; 

I don't find this implausible as the two cases are not the same.  A
substantial number of scammees were already using e-gold and they
conducted a large volume of transactions.  A large part of this 
accumulated group could have just moved to OSGold; no need for
slowly attracting customers like e-gold.

 Why is it that E-Gold has not experienced a noticeable drop in its 
 weekly transactions during the past couple of months when OSGold 
 has reportedly picked up so many; 

That is a good question.  Note however that e-gold's velocity IS
MUCH lower than than it was last fall when a number of scams were
in their growth phases.  Perhaps there are new scams running on
OSGold now and e-gold is no longer being yo-yoed by them.  And the
e-gold volume is a bit lower now.  Maybe healthier growth has made
up for some of the lost scammers.  

I'd also point out that e-gold's reserves have hardly budged (and 
have some large decreases at times) in the last 5 months; this is 
quite a change from last year.

 However, if OSGold had that kind of money, 

I would not discount the likelyhood that OSGold has substantial 
capital: the scams obviously get away with a lot of money.

CCS

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[e-gold-list] Re: Scam postings...question

2001-05-01 Thread SnowDog


 Why is everyone so afraid of OSGoldit seems to be
 a valid way to exchange funds ... new as it is they
 seem to not have missed a beat.. E-gold was new at one

 time also. What is the deal...please explain in plain
 english as I really want to understand here.

Several red flags:

1) No one knows who they are; meaning that they are not known in gold-bug
circles.

2) They don't describe how they are holding the gold in reserve, other than
in vague generalities.

3) They make wild claims, like the one where they said that each account was
backed by 150% in gold. Combine this statement with another statement where
they said that they handle about 40,000 transactions a week, and several
inconsistencies come up: 1) It took E-Gold 5 years to reach 40,000
transactions a week, but only seems to have taken OSGold 2 months; 2) Why is
it that E-Gold has not experienced a noticeable drop in its weekly
transactions during the past couple of months when OSGold has reportedly
picked up so many; 3) E-Gold does about 40,000 transactions a week now, with
about $12,000,000 in reserve. If OSGold has a similar amount in reserve,
then they would need about $18,000,000 in reserve to be backed 150%. If they
have this much gold, then someone would have had to have put up $6,000,000
in investment capital. However, if OSGold had that kind of money, we would
have heard about them long ago. So, it's highly unlikely that they are
backed by 150% in gold, and that they turn-over anything near 40,000
transactions per week.

4) They openly promote 'investment programs' based on pyramid schemes. These
are scams because they don't openly tell those to whom they promote these
'programs', how they operate. All of these programs are doomed to fail
because they return invested capital as income to previous participants.

For the speculation to stop, OSGold will have to become more open about how
they operate, and will have to perform an open, independent, audit.

Craig



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[e-gold-list] Re: Scam postings...question

2001-04-30 Thread Joyce Marie

Why is everyone so afraid of OSGoldit seems to be
a valid way to exchange funds ... new as it is they
seem to not have missed a beat.. E-gold was new at one
time also. What is the deal...please explain in plain
english as I really want to understand here.

Joyce Marie

--- Ben Legume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I originally wrote
 
 Yeah, sure, OSGold is the place to put your
 e-gold. What a
 scam. If there was any doubts over the honesty (or
 at least
 honor) of
 those running/promoting OSGold, this settles it for
 me.
 
 Strangely, my e-gold account hasn't been touched.
 
 Hello Ben,
 
 
 'They' responded
 So, you question the honor and honesty of OSGold
 based on our
 account holders writings and advertisements.  This
 is odd, as
 it
 would bring into play the following:
 
 If OSGold is to be attacked or have their honor
 questioned
 because of what account holders choose to write to
 their
 groups:
 
 E-gold is directly responsible for:
 
 1)  The scams that have taken place by their
 account holders
 2)  The people who have lost money to market makers
 who
 scammed them
 
 Please advise me (and other members of the e-gold
 list) what scams e-
 gold is responsible for, I'm sure there are an army
 of attorneys who 
 would like to hear this. Similarly if there are any
 ties (other than 
 usual business to business relationships) between
 E-Gold and the 
 market makers who appear to have disappeared, please
 provide some 
 proof (or even a clear allegation).
 
 
 
 
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