[Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception
Hello Sverre, It would be nice though to find a TDA3810 pseudo-stereo IC and build a circuit around it as Benny, OH9NB, suggested a couple of days ago. A (not the) source for the TDA3810 is "Segor Electronics" (www.segor.de) in Berlin/Germany. Type in "TDA3810" in the upper left corner and mark "nur Text" and click on the button. I don't know if "Segor Electronics" send ICs outside Germany. Please ask the crew via [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 IC for 2.50 Euro, 10 or more ICs for 2.00 Euro. -- 72/73 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.dk3red.homepage.t-online.de DL-QRP-AG #824 - www.dl-qrp-ag.de QRP ARCI #11295 - www.qrparci.org DARC #2360404 - www.darc.de ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception
After having read the interesting thread about binaural CW and pseudo-stereo I found these two descriptions of analog circuits that are fairly simple to build. The most advanced one is by VE3VXO: http://www.arsqrp.com/ars/pages/back_issues/2001_text/0501_text/street.html . It has both phasing and loww/high-pass separation. A simpler one with only filters is SM0VPS's circuit http://www.g3ycc.karoo.net/stereorx.htm It would be nice though to find a TDA3810 pseudo-stereo IC and build a circuit around it as Benny, OH9NB, suggested a couple of days ago. Finally a digital alternative for a PC in MultiPSK, http://f6cte.free.fr/ . Binaural CW is one of the free features in this program. I tried it but my PC seems to be a bit on the slow side for this function, at least with the default filter length. 73 Sverre LA3ZA http://www.qslnet.de/la3za/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception
KG6TT: >Lastly, I do know that there are at least one current amateur radio transceiver with binaural CW reception built in perhaps more than one. Orion I, Orion II and the SDR-1000 all have binaural audio. I operate a lot of CW contests and have not found binaural to be very helpful, although others seem to swear by it. Like most DSP gadgetry (e.g. Noise Reduction), I played with it awhile when new but now I seldom use it. 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception
The AOR TDF-370 is now out of production but had a binaural filter. The review in the September 2001 QST said that the CW Stereo function made a huge difference. Take a look at usascan.com/files/tdf370.html "Stereo" CW Reception: The built-in band pass filter has independent outputs for the left and right channels, allowing independent bandwidth settings heard through the included stereo headphones." There was also an article by Robert Sommer, N4UU in the Feb 1986 QST, page 15 on constructing a binaural filter. It included a circuit board pattern. 73 Zack N8FNR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception
Speaking of "binaural" reception. In this sense it is using a setup that is able to put the lower sideband information in the left ear and upper sideband information in the right ear. As one tunes thru a signal (SSB, or AM or CW with a product detector) it will appear to come from one side , go thru your head and go out the other ear! Some very interesting effects occur in so doing. If you have say an AM signal and it is phase locked to zero beat (true exalted carrier reception), you can very easily hear the selective fading in each sideband independently! One also gets a "sense" about which way to tune to make the signal appear in the right place. It also allows you hear which side of "zero beat" the signal is on. All these effects could be heard using an old General Electric YRS-1 SSB adapter, which was modified to allow "ISB" reception with stereo headphones. ISB reception is REALLY interesting and weird, hearing two programs at once! I don't know if there is any ISB feeders for the SWBC stations anymore, but there used to be. This way one channel could relay two separate programs at once on a single RF channel. Probably redundant now as I'm sure whatever is relayed now is via satellite link! This is just a comment in case someone, somewhere wanted to experiment with "ISB" reception using an ancient GE YRS-1 unit. 73, Sandy W5TVW - Original Message - From: "Jerry Volpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception | I have done a couple of Binaural CW reception projects and found the | results very appealing. Let me begin by sharing a few thoughts: | | 1. With binaural reception you normally would NOT use tight CW | bandwidths as the object is to allow more audible information to | be processed by our brain. I think that you would want at least 600Hz or | greater. I typically use a 1000Hz type filter or wider but generally | nothing tighter. A stereo 'soundscape' is created within your head with | the primary signal (the one centered in the Binaural filter) appearing | in the center of your head, and the ones higher in pitch progressively | off to one side and the ones lower in pitch off to the other side. | 2. Due to the sound dividing by frequency you notice only the lower | frequency background 'noise' component in one ear and the higher | frequency component in the other. It is surprising how much LESS in | intensity the noise is overall than what it was with combined energy to | both ears. This alone is worth the price of admission. | 3. Many of today's CW operators have not trained themselves to use their | own brain as a CW filter and instead rely on very sharp band-pass | filters for single-signal reception. Binaural CW reception provides | multiple signals which many find too confusing. | 4. Binaural CW reception should be great for NET, roundtable, and even | contesting where you often need to hear many stations on slightly | different frequencies. | | My first project was a stand-alone Binaural CW filter using a pair of OP | Amp ICs. Basically, the audio input passed into both a low pass filter | and a high pass filter with the low and high frequency cutoffs at the | desired center frequency 700 Hz for example. The output of the each | filter was further amplified (as needed) and then applied to either | stereo speakers or to stereo headphones. | PRO: Small package. Simple approach. Low cost. Easy to build. Works well | enough for a single design cross-over frequency. | CON: I could have used better quality OP Amps for lower distortion. The | ones I got were from Radio Shack (sigh). Still not bad. Can't change | cross-over frequency. This is OK if your receiver has a fixed CW offset. | Myself, I like to change my offset to minimize long term listening | fatigue. But then again only a couple of my transceivers allow for | that most don't. Another CON was the fact that I had to build this | filter. It was amazing to me how many hams were interested in the | project (I posted the info on the Ten-Tec reflector last year) but were | unwilling or unable to assemble a project without a kit. | | I think it would be wise to use two pass-band filters rather than a | low-pass and a high-pass configuration. That way you can also take away | the unnecessary lows... say below 300 Hz and the unnecessary highs | perhaps over 1500 Hz. These filters should not have sharp slopes as that | will add ringing. | | My second project began with the following in mind: | 1. Using band-pass filters rather than low-pass and high-pass. | 2. Include the ability to move the combined filter cross-over for | different CW offsets. | 3. Get the lowest distortion possible in the filtering. | 4. Use something commercially available rather than 'build your own'. | | My first thought was to obta
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception
For those who might be interested: Kanga US sells a kit for a stand alone binaural receiver: http://www.bright.net/~kanga/kanga/KK7B/biqr.htm This is not an endorsement of any kind, and I am not affiliated with Kanga US. The page is interesting though, because it contains a link to the original QST article describing the receiver. 73, Mike - Original Message - From: Jerry Volpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:35 pm Subject: [Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception > I have done a couple of Binaural CW reception projects and found the > results very appealing. Let me begin by sharing a few thoughts: > > 1. With binaural reception you normally would NOT use tight CW > bandwidths as the object is to allow more audible information to > be processed by our brain. I think that you would want at least > 600Hz or > greater. I typically use a 1000Hz type filter or wider but generally > nothing tighter. A stereo 'soundscape' is created within your head > withthe primary signal (the one centered in the Binaural filter) > appearingin the center of your head, and the ones higher in pitch > progressivelyoff to one side and the ones lower in pitch off to the > other side. > 2. Due to the sound dividing by frequency you notice only the lower > frequency background 'noise' component in one ear and the higher > frequency component in the other. It is surprising how much LESS in > intensity the noise is overall than what it was with combined > energy to > both ears. This alone is worth the price of admission. > 3. Many of today's CW operators have not trained themselves to use > theirown brain as a CW filter and instead rely on very sharp band-pass > filters for single-signal reception. Binaural CW reception provides > multiple signals which many find too confusing. > 4. Binaural CW reception should be great for NET, roundtable, and even > contesting where you often need to hear many stations on slightly > different frequencies. > > My first project was a stand-alone Binaural CW filter using a pair > of OP > Amp ICs. Basically, the audio input passed into both a low pass filter > and a high pass filter with the low and high frequency cutoffs at the > desired center frequency 700 Hz for example. The output of the > eachfilter was further amplified (as needed) and then applied to > eitherstereo speakers or to stereo headphones. > PRO: Small package. Simple approach. Low cost. Easy to build. Works > wellenough for a single design cross-over frequency. > CON: I could have used better quality OP Amps for lower distortion. > Theones I got were from Radio Shack (sigh). Still not bad. Can't > changecross-over frequency. This is OK if your receiver has a fixed > CW offset. > Myself, I like to change my offset to minimize long term listening > fatigue. But then again only a couple of my transceivers allow for > that most don't. Another CON was the fact that I had to build this > filter. It was amazing to me how many hams were interested in the > project (I posted the info on the Ten-Tec reflector last year) but > wereunwilling or unable to assemble a project without a kit. > > I think it would be wise to use two pass-band filters rather than a > low-pass and a high-pass configuration. That way you can also take > awaythe unnecessary lows... say below 300 Hz and the unnecessary highs > perhaps over 1500 Hz. These filters should not have sharp slopes as > thatwill add ringing. > > My second project began with the following in mind: > 1. Using band-pass filters rather than low-pass and high-pass. > 2. Include the ability to move the combined filter cross-over for > different CW offsets. > 3. Get the lowest distortion possible in the filtering. > 4. Use something commercially available rather than 'build your own'. > > My first thought was to obtain two SCAF audio filters (highly > programmable as far as band-pass characteristics, no ringing, low > distortion). SCAF filters are not too expensive (you need two) when > found used. I have seen them sell for around $40 to $60 each. However, > before I found the two filters I decided t use another approach > using a > 62-band, two channel, Pro Audio equalizer. The one I obtained (for $65 > used!!!) was a practically new Crate LS3-231. With this approach I can > move my cross-over frequency as desired and have good control of the > high and low frequency roll-offs. Distortion is negligible. I would > notrecommend this approach with a typical home stereo equalizer as the > filter quality is not good. the band separation is poor and > youdon't typically have near enough bands (the Crate has 1/3 octave > bands)to allow selection of the appropriate
RE: [Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception
When I brought up binaural capability for the "dual receiver K3" I had thought of the approach taken in the March 1999 QST where I and Q data out of the detector are preserved all the way to the headphones, nothing different is done in the two channels other than preserving the 90 degree phase difference. This approach requires dual channel processing from the I-Q detector through separate filter, BFO and audio stages. The two BFOs would use the same oscillator. When tuning through a signal the spatial separation effect on a CW signal is similar to that previously described by splitting a single audio channel into separate low and hi-pass filter stages but there is no hiss in the high pass channel. Each ear hears the same pass band; it is just the signals that separate three dimensionally. The other approach to binaural operation is to connect two spatially separated antennas to two complete receiver chains tuned to the same signal. One ear gets the I-channel and the other ear gets the Q-channel. This is the reason I wanted to slave the two receivers to tune a single signal but from different antenna inputs. Mike Scott AE6WA Tarzana, CA (near LA) Elecraft KX1 4-Watts -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darwin, Keith Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:14 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception -Original Message- From: Jerry Volpe Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:35 PM My second project began with the following in mind: 1. Using band-pass filters rather than low-pass and high-pass. 2. Include the ability to move the combined filter cross-over for different CW offsets. 3. Get the lowest distortion possible in the filtering. 4. Use something commercially available rather than 'build your own'. - There is an easy way to do this with commercial gear. Get a pro sound crossover unit. Behringer (*spit*) makes some for about $100 new, maybe less. It gives you the ability to adjust the crossover frequency plus other features you probably don't need. Most of these are 18 or 24 dB per octave which may cause rather abrupt shifting of signals from L to R. Feed the audio signal into the unit, pick your crossover freq. Feed the high & low outputs to your headphone amp, one to the L, the other to the R. Maybe I'll borrow the Xover from church and try it with my mini headphone amp... - Keith KD1E - - K2 5411 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception
-Original Message- From: Jerry Volpe Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:35 PM My second project began with the following in mind: 1. Using band-pass filters rather than low-pass and high-pass. 2. Include the ability to move the combined filter cross-over for different CW offsets. 3. Get the lowest distortion possible in the filtering. 4. Use something commercially available rather than 'build your own'. - There is an easy way to do this with commercial gear. Get a pro sound crossover unit. Behringer (*spit*) makes some for about $100 new, maybe less. It gives you the ability to adjust the crossover frequency plus other features you probably don't need. Most of these are 18 or 24 dB per octave which may cause rather abrupt shifting of signals from L to R. Feed the audio signal into the unit, pick your crossover freq. Feed the high & low outputs to your headphone amp, one to the L, the other to the R. Maybe I'll borrow the Xover from church and try it with my mini headphone amp... - Keith KD1E - - K2 5411 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Binaural CW Reception
I have done a couple of Binaural CW reception projects and found the results very appealing. Let me begin by sharing a few thoughts: 1. With binaural reception you normally would NOT use tight CW bandwidths as the object is to allow more audible information to be processed by our brain. I think that you would want at least 600Hz or greater. I typically use a 1000Hz type filter or wider but generally nothing tighter. A stereo 'soundscape' is created within your head with the primary signal (the one centered in the Binaural filter) appearing in the center of your head, and the ones higher in pitch progressively off to one side and the ones lower in pitch off to the other side. 2. Due to the sound dividing by frequency you notice only the lower frequency background 'noise' component in one ear and the higher frequency component in the other. It is surprising how much LESS in intensity the noise is overall than what it was with combined energy to both ears. This alone is worth the price of admission. 3. Many of today's CW operators have not trained themselves to use their own brain as a CW filter and instead rely on very sharp band-pass filters for single-signal reception. Binaural CW reception provides multiple signals which many find too confusing. 4. Binaural CW reception should be great for NET, roundtable, and even contesting where you often need to hear many stations on slightly different frequencies. My first project was a stand-alone Binaural CW filter using a pair of OP Amp ICs. Basically, the audio input passed into both a low pass filter and a high pass filter with the low and high frequency cutoffs at the desired center frequency 700 Hz for example. The output of the each filter was further amplified (as needed) and then applied to either stereo speakers or to stereo headphones. PRO: Small package. Simple approach. Low cost. Easy to build. Works well enough for a single design cross-over frequency. CON: I could have used better quality OP Amps for lower distortion. The ones I got were from Radio Shack (sigh). Still not bad. Can't change cross-over frequency. This is OK if your receiver has a fixed CW offset. Myself, I like to change my offset to minimize long term listening fatigue. But then again only a couple of my transceivers allow for that most don't. Another CON was the fact that I had to build this filter. It was amazing to me how many hams were interested in the project (I posted the info on the Ten-Tec reflector last year) but were unwilling or unable to assemble a project without a kit. I think it would be wise to use two pass-band filters rather than a low-pass and a high-pass configuration. That way you can also take away the unnecessary lows... say below 300 Hz and the unnecessary highs perhaps over 1500 Hz. These filters should not have sharp slopes as that will add ringing. My second project began with the following in mind: 1. Using band-pass filters rather than low-pass and high-pass. 2. Include the ability to move the combined filter cross-over for different CW offsets. 3. Get the lowest distortion possible in the filtering. 4. Use something commercially available rather than 'build your own'. My first thought was to obtain two SCAF audio filters (highly programmable as far as band-pass characteristics, no ringing, low distortion). SCAF filters are not too expensive (you need two) when found used. I have seen them sell for around $40 to $60 each. However, before I found the two filters I decided t use another approach using a 62-band, two channel, Pro Audio equalizer. The one I obtained (for $65 used!!!) was a practically new Crate LS3-231. With this approach I can move my cross-over frequency as desired and have good control of the high and low frequency roll-offs. Distortion is negligible. I would not recommend this approach with a typical home stereo equalizer as the filter quality is not good. the band separation is poor and you don't typically have near enough bands (the Crate has 1/3 octave bands) to allow selection of the appropriate cross-over frequency and I doubt they hold up well in a high RF environment. Anyway, I am currently using the Crate solution and it does a great job. Trouble is I want to use this equalizer for other types of reception so I am continually reprogramming it. For that reason, and for a bit better cross-over programmability, I am still planning the simpler approach using two SCAF filters (as soon as I find what I am looking for at a price I want to pay). About DSP filters in this application: I know of one commercial manufacture, TimeWave, that includes Binaural CW reception in their high end DSP filter. I had my suspicions regarding DSP signal path delays and QSK CW operations. I obtained a TimeWave DSP599zx and found that the resultant binaural audio was very good but that the delay was as bad as I had anticipated and unacceptable for QSK over about 15 wpm. Your mileage may vary. :) Anyway, if you don't use QSK or you
