Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst - move beyond emulation

2010-03-15 Thread Jeff Herr
Why use rs232 emulation at all?

Emulation = not necessarily a good thing

When you plug in a high speed USB disk you wouldn't expect the data to be
handled via rs232 emulation would you? 
When you plug in a Ethernet device you wouldn't expect the data to be
handled via rs232 emulation would you?

Why use emulation at all?  I know, I know, HRD



A telnet interface on the Elecraft side via Ethernet, all native, would
require no drivers on the pc side.
A native USB interface could be done the same way.

Both would require a supporting application and/or library on the pc side,
but would work well and be very high performance and stability.
Both would require firmware support on the Elecraft side..as does the
existing rs232 methodology.

But the result ...  No drivers to load, no silly configuration, no conflicts
with other serial devices, no baud rates to set.

Let's face it, 232 emulation over USB is messy and it's a remnant of the
past.
Just the fact that all of us have been exposed to so much trouble is a bad
indicator.

My bet is the chipset isn't the problem it's the interface on the pc side. I
think that lack of standards in this niche have resulted in a lot of sloppy
code that sort of works but does not tolerate change. i.e. using a diff
USB port.



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Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst - move beyond emulation

2010-03-15 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 When you plug in a high speed USB disk you wouldn't expect 
 the data to be handled via rs232 emulation would you? 

High speed USB disks use serial protocol - the transport is 
the same as RS-232 but does not include the +/- 10-12V drivers. 
Support for high speed serial data transfer (e.g., USB hard 
drives, cameras, etc.) is the primary reason that modern 
USB adapters no longer support 45.45 baud 5 bit codes!  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


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 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to serial angst - move beyond emulation
 
 
 Why use rs232 emulation at all?
 
 Emulation = not necessarily a good thing
 
 When you plug in a high speed USB disk you wouldn't expect 
 the data to be handled via rs232 emulation would you? 
 When you plug in a Ethernet device you wouldn't expect the 
 data to be handled via rs232 emulation would you?
 
 Why use emulation at all?  I know, I know, HRD
 
 
 
 A telnet interface on the Elecraft side via Ethernet, all 
 native, would require no drivers on the pc side. A native USB 
 interface could be done the same way.
 
 Both would require a supporting application and/or library on 
 the pc side, but would work well and be very high performance 
 and stability. Both would require firmware support on the 
 Elecraft side..as does the existing rs232 methodology.
 
 But the result ...  No drivers to load, no silly 
 configuration, no conflicts with other serial devices, no 
 baud rates to set.
 
 Let's face it, 232 emulation over USB is messy and it's a 
 remnant of the past. Just the fact that all of us have been 
 exposed to so much trouble is a bad indicator.
 
 My bet is the chipset isn't the problem it's the interface on 
 the pc side. I think that lack of standards in this niche 
 have resulted in a lot of sloppy code that sort of works 
 but does not tolerate change. i.e. using a diff USB port.
 
 
 
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