[EM] School of Election Science on Wikiversity
Thanks for the welcome Abd, and thanks for answering my question. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > Well, take a look around Wikiversity. If you are interested, > participate. > > Or just watch, or just wait. As your proxy, I'll contact you if I > think your participation might be needed in something. > > If you like, you can chat up delegable proxy. Or ask questions about > the Assembly, etc. I'm especially interested in the actual practice of the Assembly. I'll wait to see how it unfolds. > I see that you do have some MediaWiki and WikiMedia Foundation > experience. That's great. Really only the former. We develop electoral/legislative software that incorporates MediaWiki. See "pollwiki" and "streetwiki": http://zelea.com/project/outcast/_overview.xht > I've formally welcomed you, so that put your Talk page on my > Watchlist. You might consider putting my User Talk page on your > Watchlist. Done, thank you. > This is public, on the EM list, and that's fine, there is no secret > here. -- Michael Allan Toronto, +1 416-699-9528 http://zelea.com/ Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] School of Election Science on Wikiversity
At 10:41 PM 8/12/2011, Michael Allan wrote: I chose you as my proxy, Abd: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Delegable_proxy/Table What happens next? Well, take a look around Wikiversity. If you are interested, participate. Or just watch, or just wait. As your proxy, I'll contact you if I think your participation might be needed in something. If you like, you can chat up delegable proxy. Or ask questions about the Assembly, etc. I see that you do have some MediaWiki and WikiMedia Foundation experience. That's great. I've formally welcomed you, so that put your Talk page on my Watchlist. You might consider putting my User Talk page on your Watchlist. This is public, on the EM list, and that's fine, there is no secret here. Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] School of Election Science on Wikiversity
I chose you as my proxy, Abd: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Delegable_proxy/Table What happens next? -- Michael Allan Toronto, +1 416-699-9528 http://zelea.com/ Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > this has been posted to the electionscience and election-methods > mailing lists, but a Delegable Proxy trial is being set up on > Wikiversity. Please consider participating, link to your resources, > etc. I'll assist as I do all Wikiversity users, but this is a special > opportunity. > > > I'd like to invite any interested in developing educational resources > on election science to register on Wikiversity and participate in the > School of Election Science. (Wikipedia accounts should work there if > they've been linked as a Single Unified Login (SUL) account, but some > people do register real name accounts on Wikiversity, it's far more > like academia than Wikipedia.) > > Wikiversity isn't like Wikipedia, the comparison would be between a > university and an encyclopedia. On Wikipedia, there is a constant > struggle for space in a page on a topic, there can be only one page, > and Wikipedia mainspace does not allow subpages. > > Wikiversity handles conflict, where users cannot agree, by forking. > It is required that content be, overall, neutral, but individual > pages can express opinions, and can be placed in a hierarchy for > overall neutrality. Subpages may be used. Original research is > allowed, even encouraged. > > As matters stand, Wikiversity is very small compared to Wikipedia; > however, I (and some others) predict that Wikiversity could > ultimately be much larger. Compare a university library with an encyclopedia! > > It has been very difficult to make Wikipedia articles reflect what is > well-known in the field of election science, because often what is > well-known isn't found in sources that Wikipedia considers standard > reliable source. A great deal of the development of election science > took place on mailing lists, over the last twenty years. > > Many new users on Wikipedia run into trouble because they want to > discuss the topic. That's strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. It's > part of the process on Wikiversity, just as students in seminars in a > university are encouraged to discuss the subject. > > Further, it is, in theory, a standard practice, where Wikiversity has > resources on a topic, to place an interwiki link to the Wikiversity > resource in a corresponding Wikipedia article. This can provide a > method for Wikipedia readers to find deeper material, including > interactive learning, than is possible on Wikipedia. > > Wikiversity could also serve, and has served sometimes, as an > incubator for better Wikipedia articles, because scholars on > Wikiversity may freely cooperate on better-written articles, multiple > versions if they can't agree, which can then be proposed as > replacements on Wikipedia, thus bypassing the excruciating one edit > at a time process that can make it very frustrating to edit > Wikipedia. (If you make major changes to a standing Wikipedia > article, be prepared to see them all reverted, quickly. But an RfC on > Wikipedia could decide to choose an alternate version, and the > decision, showing consensus, would stick.) > > Take a look at > http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/School:Election_Science, I just > started that resource. > > Drop on by http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User_talk:Abd, my Talk page. > > And, while you are at it, take a look at > http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Delegable_proxy > > Hopefully, this will be the first substantial application of > Delegable Proxy beyond Demoex and Votorola. It was proposed as an > experiment for Wikipedia about three years ago, and was, essentially, > crushed. But Wikiversity is very, very different. I'm currently an > administrator on Wikiversity, just to give you an idea. I can't use > that to favor any position, but I've been working for well over a > year to insure that Wikiversity stays open and free as a cooperative > community. Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] School of election science on Wikiversity
At 12:08 PM 8/10/2011, Raph Frank wrote: I notice it is hosted by the wikimedia foundation. I assume the idea is that it is a new clean slate? I should say a little more. Wikiversity is not for "encyclopedia articles," per se. Write an article there, stand-alone, in mainspace, it will probably get deleted. However, if you place an article within an educational structure, it can be fine. You could probably move the entire content of electowiki to Wikiversity, but how it would be done woudl be important. You'd place the pages within a structure that made the sum a deep educational resource. Wikipedia is flat. Books can be put together this way. Wikibooks is for books, but has stricter standards, supposedly Wikibooks aren't for "original research." But it can get a bit vague. Wikiversity is safer. There are still some users who "don't get it," and they'll nominate a page for deletion because it's "fringe," but if the resource is at all interesting and not just one person's rant, it is almost certain to survive. Sometimes even one person's rant is allowed to continue The rate of deletion on Wikiversity is tiny compared to Wikipedia, and what is deleted really has consensus for deletion. Junk. And we will give the user lots of time to save the content Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] School of election science on Wikiversity
At 12:08 PM 8/10/2011, Raph Frank wrote: I notice it is hosted by the wikimedia foundation. I assume the idea is that it is a new clean slate? Is there any difference in functionality compared to wikipedia, or is it still the same underlying software? The software is the same, MediaWiki. It's hosted by the WikiMedia Foundation. It isn't particularly new, it was started originally on Wikibooks, but spun off something like 2006. Having edited both Wikipedia and Wikiversity, extensively, it's almost identical. There are templates that may exist on one wiki that don't on the other, but then one can create the templates... And, very important, Wikiversity allows subpages in mainspace, unlike Wikipedia. Wikiversity is for "educational resources," and that is very broadly construed, in practice. Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] School of election science on Wikiversity
I notice it is hosted by the wikimedia foundation. I assume the idea is that it is a new clean slate? Is there any difference in functionality compared to wikipedia, or is it still the same underlying software? Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
[EM] School of election science on Wikiversity
(copy of post to the electionscience list.) I'd like to invite any interested in developing educational resources on election science to register on Wikiversity and participate in the School of Election Science. (Wikipedia accounts should work there if they've been linked as a Single Unified Login (SUL) account, but some people do register real name accounts on Wikiversity, it's far more like academia than Wikipedia.) Wikiversity isn't like Wikipedia, the comparison would be between a university and an encyclopedia. On Wikipedia, there is a constant struggle for space in a page on a topic, there can be only one page, and Wikipedia mainspace does not allow subpages. Wikiversity handles conflict, where users cannot agree, by forking. It is required that content be, overall, neutral, but individual pages can express opinions, and can be placed in a hierarchy for overall neutrality. Subpages may be used. Original research is allowed, even encouraged. As matters stand, Wikiversity is very small compared to Wikipedia; however, I (and some others) predict that Wikiversity could ultimately be much larger. Compare a university library with an encyclopedia! It has been very difficult to make Wikipedia articles reflect what is well-known in the field of election science, because often what is well-known isn't found in sources that Wikipedia considers standard reliable source. A great deal of the development of election science took place on mailing lists, over the last twenty years. Many new users on Wikipedia run into trouble because they want to discuss the topic. That's strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. It's part of the process on Wikiversity, just as students in seminars in a university are encouraged to discuss the subject. Further, it is, in theory, a standard practice, where Wikiversity has resources on a topic, to place an interwiki link to the Wikiversity resource in a corresponding Wikipedia article. This can provide a method for Wikipedia readers to find deeper material, including interactive learning, than is possible on Wikipedia. Wikiversity could also serve, and has served sometimes, as an incubator for better Wikipedia articles, because scholars on Wikiversity may freely cooperate on better-written articles, multiple versions if they can't agree, which can then be proposed as replacements on Wikipedia, thus bypassing the excruciating one edit at a time process that can make it very frustrating to edit Wikipedia. (If you make major changes to a standing Wikipedia article, be prepared to see them all reverted, quickly. But an RfC on Wikipedia could decide to choose an alternate version, and the decision, showing consensus, would stick.) Take a look at http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/School:Election_Science, I just started that resource. Drop on by http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User_talk:Abd, my Talk page. And, while you are at it, take a look at http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Delegable_proxy Hopefully, this will be the first substantial application of Delegable Proxy beyond Demoex and Voterola. It was proposed as an experiment for Wikipedia about three years ago, and was, essentially, crushed. But Wikiversity is very, very different. I'm currently an administrator on Wikiversity, just to give you an idea. I can't use that to favor any position, but I've been working for well over a year to insure that Wikiversity stays open and free as a cooperative community. (Wikiversity is often slow to respond, don't jump to conclusions from absence of immediate activity.) Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
