[PSES] Recuperator Certification - ASME
I have an application for a recuperator that extracts heat from flue gas. The ASME standard (Section IV) for Heating boilers is quite complex and I am just trying to determine if ASME Certification and H-Marking are required for domestic (US/Canada) applications. The standard appears to allow an exemption based on Boilers used exclusively for hot water, 200,000 btu (58.6 kW) 210 degrees F 120 gallon Any help is appreciated. Thanks Rick - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] TTE Equipment and RTTE Directive
Dear List Members, I haven't worked with land-line telecom hardware for many years. I have a device intended for use by handicapped persons that will enable a visual alarm if the land-line phone is ringing, so the device is listen-only. I've found what appears to be good and reliable guidance concerning TTE equipment at this link which indicates that TTE equipment need only comply with the EMCD and LVD: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/rtte/regulatory-framework/index_en.htm However, I'm seeing DoCs and product specs for current TTE equipment that reference the ETSI 201 703 and TBR series of standards, and those standards are not listed under the RTTED, EMCD, or LVD on the Europa Harmonized Standards pages. Can someone shed some light on this confusing issue? Is TTE really not required to meet a line connection standard of some type as the Europa link above indicates? Thanks very much, Carl -- - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] TTE Equipment and RTTE Directive
Hi Carl, What you have surmised is correct. You are not required to meet any line standards is order to comply with the directives. The DoCs you are seeing, is the voluntary testing to ETSI standards to show that the line interface device is compatible with the phone network. I asked several times a joint NIST - EU meetings (in the 2000's) about the implementation of TTE standards under the RTTE directive and always got the same response. There are no formal complaints and therefore no implementation of mandatory standards will occur. Also, the other reason the directive is going to become the Radio Equipment Directive (RED), as that is all it has ever really covered. Of course being a test lab whom does those tests, we can only make a mild suggestion you should test, as to this day we still have product showing up that don't comply with the ETSI TBR and or ES 203 021-x standards, but that is always a financial / business decision on what the risk is of performing no testing. Larry K. Stillings Compliance Worldwide, Inc. Test Locally, Sell Globally and Launch Your Products Around the World! FCC - Wireless - Telecom - CE Marking - International Approvals - Product Safety 357 Main Street Sandown, NH 03873 (603) 887 3903 Fax 887-6445 www.complianceworldwide.com Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. -Original Message- From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 3:10 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] TTE Equipment and RTTE Directive Dear List Members, I haven't worked with land-line telecom hardware for many years. I have a device intended for use by handicapped persons that will enable a visual alarm if the land-line phone is ringing, so the device is listen-only. I've found what appears to be good and reliable guidance concerning TTE equipment at this link which indicates that TTE equipment need only comply with the EMCD and LVD: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/rtte/regulatory-framework/index_e n.htm However, I'm seeing DoCs and product specs for current TTE equipment that reference the ETSI 201 703 and TBR series of standards, and those standards are not listed under the RTTED, EMCD, or LVD on the Europa Harmonized Standards pages. Can someone shed some light on this confusing issue? Is TTE really not required to meet a line connection standard of some type as the Europa link above indicates? Thanks very much, Carl -- - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] TTE Equipment and RTTE Directive
Excellent response Larry. When something sounds too good to be true it usually is. But not in this case. Thanks very much, Carl On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:26:53 -0500, Larry K. Stillings la...@complianceworldwide.com wrote: Hi Carl, What you have surmised is correct. You are not required to meet any line standards is order to comply with the directives. The DoCs you are seeing, is the voluntary testing to ETSI standards to show that the line interface device is compatible with the phone network. I asked several times a joint NIST - EU meetings (in the 2000's) about the implementation of TTE standards under the RTTE directive and always got the same response. There are no formal complaints and therefore no implementation of mandatory standards will occur. Also, the other reason the directive is going to become the Radio Equipment Directive (RED), as that is all it has ever really covered. Of course being a test lab whom does those tests, we can only make a mild suggestion you should test, as to this day we still have product showing up that don't comply with the ETSI TBR and or ES 203 021-x standards, but that is always a financial / business decision on what the risk is of performing no testing. Larry K. Stillings Compliance Worldwide, Inc. Test Locally, Sell Globally and Launch Your Products Around the World! FCC - Wireless - Telecom - CE Marking - International Approvals - Product Safety 357 Main Street Sandown, NH 03873 (603) 887 3903 Fax 887-6445 www.complianceworldwide.com Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. -Original Message- From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 3:10 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] TTE Equipment and RTTE Directive Dear List Members, I haven't worked with land-line telecom hardware for many years. I have a device intended for use by handicapped persons that will enable a visual alarm if the land-line phone is ringing, so the device is listen-only. I've found what appears to be good and reliable guidance concerning TTE equipment at this link which indicates that TTE equipment need only comply with the EMCD and LVD: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/rtte/regulatory-framework/index_e n.htm However, I'm seeing DoCs and product specs for current TTE equipment that reference the ETSI 201 703 and TBR series of standards, and those standards are not listed under the RTTED, EMCD, or LVD on the Europa Harmonized Standards pages. Can someone shed some light on this confusing issue? Is TTE really not required to meet a line connection standard of some type as the Europa link above indicates? Thanks very much, Carl -- - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell
