[PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703?
I'm trying to find out if UL 6703 (connectors for PV systems) is being upgraded to UL 9703 or the other way around. UL's site isn't helpful - it could be drawings I got are just misprinted, but there was a UL 9703, "Outline for Investigation" thanks, Colorado Brian720-450-4933 -- Original Message -- From: Doug Powell To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:14:14 -0600 What you see is what you get. This is ListServ software and has been in use since the 1990s or before. It has served us well. If you are looking for something like a phpBB, I don't think this is available. Of course you can always talk to one of the good people listed at the bottom of every email. All the best, Doug Original Message From: jamison.kor...@ecolab.com Sent: September 28, 2016 7:24 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-to: jamison.kor...@ecolab.com Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking On an unrelated note - is there another way to interact with this community other than through emails? Is there a board, or something somewhere? Thanks, Jamison -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 8:30 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking There have been some consistency problems with this service, probably from usage of direct CSS url links and/or my stupid brute-force script, so my simple-minded approach is to have my crawler run the login(which has changed several times), then resolve the href-tagged links, then go from there to each notification page. Could be done manually, but all hail the power of beautifulsoup. Have not used for very long time, but so far does seem to be a decent source of global regulatory information. Brian -Original Message- From: Kortas, Jamison [mailto:jamison.kor...@ecolab.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 4:23 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking Hopefully - I am doing this right - this is my first post. I recently found Notify U.S. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tsapps.nist.gov_notifyus_data_home_home.cfm&d=DQIDaQ&c=clRTYxLjfWTYQkksq4Trqw&r=SuXR4v_cWDGps50Ob7OgG3eGvjdtolb5h84QBM8NxmY&m=IReRG-UxkmrJ8pyfltBE4hphRlWOTXCfdP53vklA2x4&s=urX8Yhg2scOT-Og6yRG5v1sZ5EbS7Klt5JP3l2bKbBU&e= which is run by the NIST in the Dept. Of Commerce and it notifies me of anything published by the WTO an others. You can filter it by field of interest and country. It is quite informative and free. Here are the "fields of interest": 65 Agriculture 49 Aircraft and Space Vehicle Engineering 71 Chemical Technology 93 Civil Engineering 61 Clothing Industry CA Conformity Assessment Procedures 91 Construction Materials and Building 97 Domestic and Commercial Equipment. Entertainment. Sports 29 Electrical Engineering 31 Electronics 27 Energy and Heat Transfer Engineering 13 Environment. Health Protection. Safety 23 Fluid Systems and Components for General Use Measurement of fluid flow, see 17.120 67 Food Technology 01 Generalities. Terminology. Standardization. Documentation 81 Glass and Ceramics Industries 11 Health Care Technology 37 Image Technology 35 Information Technology. Office Machines 25 Manufacturing Engineering This field includes standards for general use 53 Materials Handling Equipment 07 Mathematics. Natural Sciences 21 Mechanical Systems and Components for General Use 77 Metallurgy 95 Military Engineering 73 Mining and Minerals 55 Packaging and Distribution of Goods 87 Paint and Colour Industries 85 Paper Technology 75 Petroleum and Related Technologies 17 Physical Metrology and Measurement. Physical Phenomena 39 Precision Mechanics. Jewellery 45 Railway Engineering 43 Road Vehicle Engineering 83 Rubber and Plastics Industries 47 Shipbuilding and Marine Structures 03 Sociology. Services. Company Organization and Management. Administration. Transport 33 Telecommunications. Audio and Video Engineering 19 Testing This field includes standards for general use only Analytical chemistry, see 71.040 59 Textile and Leather Technology 79 Wood Technology Thanks, -Jamison -Original Message- From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 2:53 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking Thanks, I'll check out DuckDuckGo, it sounds like it may have possibilities. I have looked at rss aggregators in the past. It's kind of hard to find one that consolidates similar postings in multiple locations. This also may be worth another look. All the best. Doug. Original Message From: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Sent: September 27, 2016 1:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-to: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking Distill will monitor selected pages, but is not very selective
Re: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703?
It looks like both are valid. There is a bulletin dated 9/7/12 on "A meeting of the Standards Technical Panel of UL for Connectors for Use in Photovoltaic Systems was held on August 8 and 9, 2012 at the UL San Jose office. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss revisions to UL's Subjects 6703, 6703A and 9703." which includes discussion 6. Relationship with harnesses (9703) "Chris Flueckiger, UL, provided an overview of the UL Subject 9703, Outline of Investigation for Distributed Generation Wiring Harnesses, which was published on August 2, 2011. Chris indicated that this was not intended to be a standard for individual components, but for a system. A harness is a system consisting of PV certified connectors along with certified conductor in a complete assembly. This standard has been included under the scope of STP 6703 to address wiring harnesses in PV applications such as connecting junction boxes, inverters, tracker devices. Jake Killinger and Chris Flueckiger also discussed situations when a harness is considered a PV connector under 6703. It was noted that an incomplete system with only a single connector attached on the conductor/cable with the opposing end(s) open would not be considered a harness." -Dave From: Brian Gregory [mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:33 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703? I'm trying to find out if UL 6703 (connectors for PV systems) is being upgraded to UL 9703 or the other way around. UL's site isn't helpful - it could be drawings I got are just misprinted, but there was a UL 9703, "Outline for Investigation" thanks, Colorado Brian 720-450-4933 -- Original Message -- From: Doug Powell To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:14:14 -0600 What you see is what you get. This is ListServ software and has been in use since the 1990s or before. It has served us well. If you are looking for something like a phpBB, I don't think this is available. Of course you can always talk to one of the good people listed at the bottom of every email. All the best, Doug Original Message From: jamison.kor...@ecolab.com<mailto:jamison.kor...@ecolab.com> Sent: September 28, 2016 7:24 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Reply-to: jamison.kor...@ecolab.com<mailto:jamison.kor...@ecolab.com> Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking On an unrelated note - is there another way to interact with this community other than through emails? Is there a board, or something somewhere? Thanks, Jamison -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 8:30 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking There have been some consistency problems with this service, probably from usage of direct CSS url links and/or my stupid brute-force script, so my simple-minded approach is to have my crawler run the login(which has changed several times), then resolve the href-tagged links, then go from there to each notification page. Could be done manually, but all hail the power of beautifulsoup. Have not used for very long time, but so far does seem to be a decent source of global regulatory information. Brian -Original Message- From: Kortas, Jamison [mailto:jamison.kor...@ecolab.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 4:23 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking Hopefully - I am doing this right - this is my first post. I recently found Notify U.S. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tsapps.nist.gov_notifyus_data_home_home.cfm&d=DQIDaQ&c=clRTYxLjfWTYQkksq4Trqw&r=SuXR4v_cWDGps50Ob7OgG3eGvjdtolb5h84QBM8NxmY&m=IReRG-UxkmrJ8pyfltBE4hphRlWOTXCfdP53vklA2x4&s=urX8Yhg2scOT-Og6yRG5v1sZ5EbS7Klt5JP3l2bKbBU&e= which is run by the NIST in the Dept. Of Commerce and it notifies me of anything published by the WTO an others. You can filter it by field of interest and country. It is quite informative and free. Here are the "fields of interest": 65 Agriculture 49 Aircraft and Space Vehicle Engineering 71 Chemical Technology 93 Civil Engineering 61 Clothing Industry CA Conformity Assessment Procedures 91 Construction Materials and Building 97 Domestic and Commercial Equipment. Entertainment. Sports 29 Electrical Engineering 31 Electronics 27 Energy and Heat Transfer Engineering 13 Environment. Health Protection. Safety 23 Fluid Systems and Components for General Use Measurement of fluid flow, see 17.120 67 Food Technology 01 Generalities. Terminology. Standardization. Documentation 81 Glass and Ceramics Industries 11 Health Care Technology 37 Image Technology 35 Information Technology. Office Machines
Re: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703?
Thanks Dave, that was very helpful! Where did you find this bulletin? I can't get anything from their website... Brian Gregory 720-450-4933 -- Original Message -- From: "Nyffenegger, Dave" To: Brian Gregory , "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" Subject: RE: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:19:10 + It looks like both are valid. There is a bulletin dated 9/7/12 on “A meeting of the Standards Technical Panel of UL for Connectors for Use in Photovoltaic Systems was held on August 8 and 9, 2012 at the UL San Jose office. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss revisions to UL’s Subjects 6703, 6703A and 9703.” which includes discussion 6. Relationship with harnesses (9703) “Chris Flueckiger, UL, provided an overview of the UL Subject 9703, Outline of Investigation for Distributed Generation Wiring Harnesses, which was published on August 2, 2011. Chris indicated that this was not intended to be a standard for individual components, but for a system. A harness is a system consisting of PV certified connectors along with certified conductor in a complete assembly. This standard has been included under the scope of STP 6703 to address wiring harnesses in PV applications such as connecting junction boxes, inverters, tracker devices. Jake Killinger and Chris Flueckiger also discussed situations when a harness is considered a PV connector under 6703. It was noted that an incomplete system with only a single connector attached on the conductor/cable with the opposing end(s) open would not be considered a harness.” -Dave From: Brian Gregory [mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:33 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703? I'm trying to find out if UL 6703 (connectors for PV systems) is being upgraded to UL 9703 or the other way around. UL's site isn't helpful - it could be drawings I got are just misprinted, but there was a UL 9703, "Outline for Investigation" thanks, Colorado Brian 720-450-4933 -- Original Message -- From: Doug Powell To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:14:14 -0600 What you see is what you get. This is ListServ software and has been in use since the 1990s or before. It has served us well. If you are looking for something like a phpBB, I don't think this is available. Of course you can always talk to one of the good people listed at the bottom of every email. All the best, Doug Original Message From: jamison.kor...@ecolab.com Sent: September 28, 2016 7:24 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-to: jamison.kor...@ecolab.com Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking On an unrelated note - is there another way to interact with this community other than through emails? Is there a board, or something somewhere? Thanks, Jamison -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 8:30 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking There have been some consistency problems with this service, probably from usage of direct CSS url links and/or my stupid brute-force script, so my simple-minded approach is to have my crawler run the login(which has changed several times), then resolve the href-tagged links, then go from there to each notification page. Could be done manually, but all hail the power of beautifulsoup. Have not used for very long time, but so far does seem to be a decent source of global regulatory information. Brian -Original Message- From: Kortas, Jamison [mailto:jamison.kor...@ecolab.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 4:23 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking Hopefully - I am doing this right - this is my first post. I recently found Notify U.S. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tsapps.nist.gov_notifyus_data_home_home.cfm&d=DQIDaQ&c=clRTYxLjfWTYQkksq4Trqw&r=SuXR4v_cWDGps50Ob7OgG3eGvjdtolb5h84QBM8NxmY&m=IReRG-UxkmrJ8pyfltBE4hphRlWOTXCfdP53vklA2x4&s=urX8Yhg2scOT-Og6yRG5v1sZ5EbS7Klt5JP3l2bKbBU&e= which is run by the NIST in the Dept. Of Commerce and it notifies me of anything published by the WTO an others. You can filter it by field of interest and country. It is quite informative and free. Here are the "fields of interest": 65 Agriculture 49 Aircraft and Space Vehicle Engineering 71 Chemical Technology 93 Civil Engineering 61 Clothing Industry CA Conformity Assessment Procedures 91 Construction Materials and Building 97 Domestic and Commercial Equipment. Entertainment. Sports 29 Electrical Engineering 31 Electronics 27 Energy and Heat Transfer Engineering 13 Environment. Health Protec
Re: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703?
Hello Brian, Do you have an account on http://www.ulstandards.com/ ? If you do, go to standard 9703 and you will find the September 7, 2012 bulletin. Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Brian Gregory [mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 7:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703? Thanks Dave, that was very helpful! Where did you find this bulletin? I can't get anything from their website... Brian Gregory 720-450-4933 -- Original Message -- From: "Nyffenegger, Dave" mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com>> To: Brian Gregory mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net>>, "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>" mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>> Subject: RE: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:19:10 + It looks like both are valid. There is a bulletin dated 9/7/12 on "A meeting of the Standards Technical Panel of UL for Connectors for Use in Photovoltaic Systems was held on August 8 and 9, 2012 at the UL San Jose office. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss revisions to UL's Subjects 6703, 6703A and 9703." which includes discussion 6. Relationship with harnesses (9703) "Chris Flueckiger, UL, provided an overview of the UL Subject 9703, Outline of Investigation for Distributed Generation Wiring Harnesses, which was published on August 2, 2011. Chris indicated that this was not intended to be a standard for individual components, but for a system. A harness is a system consisting of PV certified connectors along with certified conductor in a complete assembly. This standard has been included under the scope of STP 6703 to address wiring harnesses in PV applications such as connecting junction boxes, inverters, tracker devices. Jake Killinger and Chris Flueckiger also discussed situations when a harness is considered a PV connector under 6703. It was noted that an incomplete system with only a single connector attached on the conductor/cable with the opposing end(s) open would not be considered a harness." -Dave From: Brian Gregory [mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:33 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703? I'm trying to find out if UL 6703 (connectors for PV systems) is being upgraded to UL 9703 or the other way around. UL's site isn't helpful - it could be drawings I got are just misprinted, but there was a UL 9703, "Outline for Investigation" thanks, Colorado Brian 720-450-4933 -- Original Message -- From: Doug Powell mailto:doug...@gmail.com>> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:14:14 -0600 What you see is what you get. This is ListServ software and has been in use since the 1990s or before. It has served us well. If you are looking for something like a phpBB, I don't think this is available. Of course you can always talk to one of the good people listed at the bottom of every email. All the best, Doug Original Message From: emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:Jamison.Kortas@E-%3cBR%3e%3cBR%3e%3cp%3eThis%20message%20is%20from%20the%20IEEE%20Product%20Safety%20Engineering%20Society%20emc-pstc%20discussion%20list.%20To%20post%20a%20message%20to%20the%20list,%20send%20your%20e-mail%20to%20%3c%3cA%20HREF=>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used f
Re: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703?
That came from the UL website but you need a login to access the standards and bulletins. As a UL customer I have a login. -Dave From: Brian Gregory [mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703? Thanks Dave, that was very helpful! Where did you find this bulletin? I can't get anything from their website... Brian Gregory 720-450-4933 -- Original Message -- From: "Nyffenegger, Dave" To: Brian Gregory , "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" Subject: RE: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:19:10 + It looks like both are valid. There is a bulletin dated 9/7/12 on "A meeting of the Standards Technical Panel of UL for Connectors for Use in Photovoltaic Systems was held on August 8 and 9, 2012 at the UL San Jose office. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss revisions to UL's Subjects 6703, 6703A and 9703." which includes discussion 6. Relationship with harnesses (9703) "Chris Flueckiger, UL, provided an overview of the UL Subject 9703, Outline of Investigation for Distributed Generation Wiring Harnesses, which was published on August 2, 2011. Chris indicated that this was not intended to be a standard for individual components, but for a system. A harness is a system consisting of PV certified connectors along with certified conductor in a complete assembly. This standard has been included under the scope of STP 6703 to address wiring harnesses in PV applications such as connecting junction boxes, inverters, tracker devices. Jake Killinger and Chris Flueckiger also discussed situations when a harness is considered a PV connector under 6703. It was noted that an incomplete system with only a single connector attached on the conductor/cable with the opposing end(s) open would not be considered a harness." -Dave From: Brian Gregory [mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:33 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703? I'm trying to find out if UL 6703 (connectors for PV systems) is being upgraded to UL 9703 or the other way around. UL's site isn't helpful - it could be drawings I got are just misprinted, but there was a UL 9703, "Outline for Investigation" thanks, Colorado Brian 720-450-4933 -- Original Message -- From: Doug Powell To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Counterfeit tracking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:14:14 -0600 What you see is what you get. This is ListServ software and has been in use since the 1990s or before. It has served us well. If you are looking for something like a phpBB, I don't think this is available. Of course you can always talk to one of the good people listed at the bottom of every email. All the best, Doug Original Message From: emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:Jamison.Kortas@E-%3cBR%3e%0d%0a%3cBR%3e%0d%0a%3cp%3eThis%20message%20is%20from%20the%20IEEE%20Product%20Safety%20Engineering%20Society%20emc-pstc%20discussion%20list.%20To%20post%20a%20message%20to%20the%20list,%20send%20your%20e-mail%20to%20%3c%3cA%20HREF=>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] PV Connectors: UL 6(9)703?
Brian - 6703 and 6703A are for PV connectors, as you stated. 9703 is for cable assemblies that have cable with connectors integrated into an assembly. The connectors used in a 9703 product means the connectors themselves would also have to undergo a 6703 evaluation. "Upgrading to 9703," is not a consideration. These outlines are for different product types. Peter Tarver From: Brian Gregory [mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 14:33 I'm trying to find out if UL 6703 (connectors for PV systems) is being upgraded to UL 9703 or the other way around. UL's site isn't helpful - it could be drawings I got are just misprinted, but there was a UL 9703, "Outline for Investigation" thanks, Colorado Brian 720-450-4933 The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. It is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete or destroy any copy of this message! - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: