Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

[Peri Hartman via EV]

I think the article leaked out 7 days early :)

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From: "Ben Goren via EV" 
To: "tomw" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 


Sent: 24-Mar-15 7:41:10 AM
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On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:21 AM, tomw via EV  wrote:

 
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/new-processing-technology-converts-packing-peanuts-to-battery-components.html


There's another point worth noting.

If this ever makes it to mass production, I'm reasonably sure the 
factory won't be using recycled packing peanuts salvaged from Amazon 
orders. Instead, the factories will get deliveries of 
newly-manufactured polystyrene (or whatever) to use as feedstock, 
pre-formed into whatever shape is the best fit for the machinery.


There's just too much chance of contamination from consumer-recycled 
packaging materials to risk damaging a high-energy electronics assembly 
line. Imagine, for example, a cat who thought the box with the 
packaging materials would make a great litterbox, and somebody 
"helpfully" still sending it to recycling


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Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

[Ben Goren via EV]

On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:21 AM, tomw via EV  wrote:

> http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/new-processing-technology-converts-packing-peanuts-to-battery-components.html

There's another point worth noting.

If this ever makes it to mass production, I'm reasonably sure the factory won't 
be using recycled packing peanuts salvaged from Amazon orders. Instead, the 
factories will get deliveries of newly-manufactured polystyrene (or whatever) 
to use as feedstock, pre-formed into whatever shape is the best fit for the 
machinery.

There's just too much chance of contamination from consumer-recycled packaging 
materials to risk damaging a high-energy electronics assembly line. Imagine, 
for example, a cat who thought the box with the packaging materials would make 
a great litterbox, and somebody "helpfully" still sending it to recycling

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Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

[tomw via EV]

http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/new-processing-technology-converts-packing-peanuts-to-battery-components.html



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Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

[Gail Lucas via EV]

Mike,

This is a link to the Purdue research.  It sounds like a valid technical 
report to me and I have never heard that the university is noted for selling 
snake oil.  It seems they may be able to improve lithium-ion batteries, 
which could be of interest to EV owners.


http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/new-processing-technology-converts-packing-peanuts-to-battery-components.html

Gail

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From: "Mike Nickerson via EV" 
To: "Ben Goren" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 


Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries


Being fairly technical, I usually look at the situation the other way 
around.  If the description of the technology doesn't give me a reasonable 
idea of how and why it will work, I tend to assume the person is the 
technological equivalent of the snake oil salesman.  Unfortunately, I have 
rarely been surprised from that initial assessment.


Mike


On March 23, 2015 3:58:28 PM MDT, Ben Goren via EV  
wrote:

On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV 
wrote:


A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as

the research is from Purdue.  Any opinions out there?  I would love to
have a way to recycle those peanuts.




http://mobile.geek.com/latest/256277-scientists-realize-useless-packing-peanuts-make-great-batteries

A good rule of thumb with these sorts of things is that, if the press
release doesn't give you enough insight and inspiration to have a good
idea of how to do it yourself, you don't have the knowledge and / or
skills and / or equipment necessary to be able to do it yourself.

...assuming that the reporting is honest



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Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

Being fairly technical, I usually look at the situation the other way around.  
If the description of the technology doesn't give me a reasonable idea of how 
and why it will work, I tend to assume the person is the technological 
equivalent of the snake oil salesman.  Unfortunately, I have rarely been 
surprised from that initial assessment.

Mike


On March 23, 2015 3:58:28 PM MDT, Ben Goren via EV  wrote:
>On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV 
>wrote:
>
>> A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as
>the research is from Purdue.  Any opinions out there?  I would love to
>have a way to recycle those peanuts.
>> 
>>
>http://mobile.geek.com/latest/256277-scientists-realize-useless-packing-peanuts-make-great-batteries
>
>A good rule of thumb with these sorts of things is that, if the press
>release doesn't give you enough insight and inspiration to have a good
>idea of how to do it yourself, you don't have the knowledge and / or
>skills and / or equipment necessary to be able to do it yourself.
>
>...assuming that the reporting is honest
>
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Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

[Cor van de Water via EV]

I was expecting the article to show an important announcement about this new 
technology in about a week,
next Wednesday to be precise...
But then the article went on about heating the pellets to create what replaces 
the carbon in a regular
battery and I see that they found that packing peanuts can be used to create 
one of the two electrodes
so that you can make batteries from them.
I expect that you won't be making batteries at home any time soon, so I suggest 
to use packing
peanuts for their intended purpose to ship stuff safely and if you don't need 
them then you can
post an ad for them so someone else can put them to use instead of adding to 
the landfill...

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via EV
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 2:58 PM
To: Gail Lucas; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV  wrote:

> A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as the 
> research is from Purdue.  Any opinions out there?  I would love to have a way 
> to recycle those peanuts.
> 
> http://mobile.geek.com/latest/256277-scientists-realize-useless-packing-peanuts-make-great-batteries

A good rule of thumb with these sorts of things is that, if the press release 
doesn't give you enough insight and inspiration to have a good idea of how to 
do it yourself, you don't have the knowledge and / or skills and / or equipment 
necessary to be able to do it yourself.

...assuming that the reporting is honest

b&
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Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

[Ben Goren via EV]

On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV  wrote:

> A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as the 
> research is from Purdue.  Any opinions out there?  I would love to have a way 
> to recycle those peanuts.
> 
> http://mobile.geek.com/latest/256277-scientists-realize-useless-packing-peanuts-make-great-batteries

A good rule of thumb with these sorts of things is that, if the press release 
doesn't give you enough insight and inspiration to have a good idea of how to 
do it yourself, you don't have the knowledge and / or skills and / or equipment 
necessary to be able to do it yourself.

...assuming that the reporting is honest

b&
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Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

[Cruisin via EV]

Would you like to buy the old Bay Bridge for $100?



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[EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

[Gail Lucas via EV]

A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as the 
research is from Purdue.  Any opinions out there?  I would love to have a 
way to recycle those peanuts.


http://mobile.geek.com/latest/256277-scientists-realize-useless-packing-peanuts-make-great-batteries

Gail



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