[FairfieldLife] Re: States of Consciousness vs Spacial Dimensions

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Yes the philosophical and the mathematics are interesting to follow though the 
spiritual experience of it is more compelling. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 

 The higher states of consciousness are not equivalent to the higher spacial 
dimensions in physics.  For example, the waking state or sentience is not 
equivalent to the fifth spacial dimension.  However, some philosophers, like 
David Chalmers, believe that sentience is an emergent phenomenon of matter.  On 
the other hand, there are philosophers who believe that sentience or 
consciousness was always present in the beginning of the universe.  IOW, 
consciousness may have been present in the creation of matter.  So, the human 
being is the product of the evolution of the mind and matter.  This is the 
reason why MMY stated in his writings that most humans are asleep and need to 
awaken to the possibilities of the higher levels of consciousness.
 

 As such, the higher spacial dimensions in physics may not lead to any magical 
properties like worm holes, or they may not exist at all in nature.  Presently, 
scientists at the LHC in Switzerland have not found their existence.
 

 But some scientists believe that these higher spacial dimensions are necessary 
to understand quantum theories, like the Superstring.   So, these dimensions 
can be a purely mathematical idea, like a negative infinity or the positive 
infinity.  But they don't lead to enlightenment

 



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: States of Consciousness

[sparaig]

Can't find where he mentions shamatha by name. He mentions someone else's 
proposed categorization of meditation into 2 main groups and proposes that TM 
belongs in a 3rd category...

L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 Wow, does he mischaracterize shamatha mediation. Not a very honest  
 presentation.
 
 But sadly, not surprising.
 
 On Jul 14, 2011, at 12:17 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  New book: http://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/07/01/consciousness- 
  states-cosic-2011/consciousness-states-cosic-2011.pdf chapter 10 is  
  about enlightenment, TM-style by Fred Travis

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: States of Consciousness

[Vaj]

On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:02 PM, sparaig wrote:

Can't find where he mentions shamatha by name. He mentions someone  
else's proposed categorization of meditation into 2 main groups and  
proposes that TM belongs in a 3rd category...



In the neurological division of different types of meditation there  
are two: FA and OM IIRC. FA is shamatha, i.e. TM, shamatha, etc.


The TM researchers, without providing parallel research, tried to  
invent a faux category I believe they called automatic transcending  
or some similar diversion. Due to the lack of similar, parallel  
evidence, I don't believe anyone but the radical TMers believed it.  
It's just part of their underlying belief that they must maintain  
some sort of unique brand-name recognition.

[FairfieldLife] Re: States of Consciousness

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:02 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  Can't find where he mentions shamatha by name. He mentions someone  
  else's proposed categorization of meditation into 2 main groups and  
  proposes that TM belongs in a 3rd category...
 
 
 In the neurological division of different types of meditation there  
 are two: FA and OM IIRC. FA is shamatha, i.e. TM, shamatha, etc.
 
 The TM researchers, without providing parallel research, tried to  
 invent a faux category I believe they called automatic transcending  
 or some similar diversion. Due to the lack of similar, parallel  
 evidence, I don't believe anyone but the radical TMers believed it.  
 It's just part of their underlying belief that they must maintain  
 some sort of unique brand-name recognition.


You've seen their evidence for why they propose this 3rd category of meditation 
and you can't even recall what they call the category?


H


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: States of Consciousness

[danfriedman2002]

Thank you.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:

 New book: 
 http://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/07/01/consciousness-states-cosic-2011/consciousness-states-cosic-2011.pdf
chapter 10 is about enlightenment, TM-style   by Fred Travis

[FairfieldLife] Re: States of Consciousness

[richardjwilliamstexas]

Vaj:
 Not a very honest presentation...
 
According to Wallace, Samatha is calm abiding, a 
type of meditation designed to enhance sustained 
voluntary attention; a subset of the broader family 
of samadhi or meditation practices.

Reginald Ray at the Shambhala Mountain Cente says 
Samatha is single-pointed focus of mind; a limb 
of Raja Yoga. 

So, it's just like TM in a way: meditation on 
objects.

The unification leads to a very clear and direct 
experience of the nature of all things. This brings 
one very close to what is called the absolute 
truth. - Dzogchen Pönlop Rinpoche

Works cited:

'The Attention Revolution'
Unlocking the Power of the Focused Mind 
by Alan Wallace
Wisdom Publications, 2006
page 6 and 131

'In the Presence of Masters'
Wisdom from 30 Contemporary Tibetan Buddhist Teachers
By Reginald Ray
Shambhala Publications, 2004
page 69 and 76