[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
Apparently you didn't get the point - the entire site could be brought down if anyone posts illegal movies or products on it that are copyrighted. Bhairitu: Guess you're not into free markets though, eh? Who needs a SOPA and a PIPA? U.S. law already can be used to take down a site like Megaupload. So, where in the U.S. Constitution does it say that anyone has the right to share pirated movies or buy counterfeit Louis Vuitton hand bags? ...if tech companies convince lawmakers and millions of Web users that any solution is worse than the problem, then it will simply be a victory for a powerful new form of advocacy by the companies best able to plant their message in the echo chamber of the Net. Los Angeles Times: 'Web freedom vs. Web piracy' http://tinyurl.com/73ehszt
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
Jon Stewart on SOPA: turquoiseb: So appropriate, too, that the clip above is shared by the non-copyright owner. Well, at least one FFL respondent does not realize or fails to understand that that the case cited below is a FEDERAL case! A federal jury Thursday slapped a local flea market with a $3.6 million award to the designer brand Louis Vuitton for allowing vendors to sell knockoffs of its products... Read more: 'Bogus goods to cost flea market $3.6 million' San Antonio Express News: http://tinyurl.com/85ppdhn Going down the slippery slope of censorship... Read more: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/2022/04254316872/definitive-post-why-sopa-protect-ip-are-bad-bad-ideas.shtml
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On 01/19/2012 11:53 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reynemilymae.reyn@... wrote: Jon Stewart on SOPA: http://gothamist.com/2012/01/19/jon_stewart_sopa_will_drive_us_to_t.php So appropriate, too, that the clip above is shared by the non-copyright owner. I was thinking this morning about an example of how screwed up movie studios are. A couple years ago an Australian film based on a popular book Tomorrow, When the War Began was released and a few months later the DVD and Bluray was released. The distributor was Paramount. To date this film has not been released in the US though a lot of people have expressed interest in seeing or renting it. I don't understand what the delay is? Does it contain ideas they don't want American youth to see? So the uploaded copies of it including the ripped Bluray have long appeared on the web. You'd think at least Paramount would have licensed it to Netflix for streaming and makes some bucks off of it? It's not supposed to be a particularly good film so the rental and streaming venue might work best for those curious. To date it doesn't even show up as a Saved on Netflix. BTW, I don't the MegaUpload case is going to stick. I've used them to post *my own* videos before YouTube had HD support. I think I put the footage I shot with my first hybrid camera there and posted the link here. They've always had a don't upload copyrighted material you don't own message there. Torrents are another matter as any time you use a torrent client to get a torrent at any decent speed you have to open a port so that you are redistributing parts. I've done that with Linxu distributions and even a Michael Moore film that he and the Weinsteins made available as a torrent back before the 2006 election. It was to encourage younger folks to vote and I supported their effort. And that and the Linux distribution were legal torrents. Fortunately nowadays Linux distribution have their many mirror servers along with their own. Many web hosts have unlimited bandwidth these days even with $5 a month services.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
So appropriate, too, that the clip above is shared by the non-copyright owner. Bhairitu: They've always had a don't upload copyrighted material you don't own message there... Apparently you didn't get the point - the entire site could be brought down if anyone posts illegal movies or products on it that are copyrighted. Somebody just wants to avoid policing their own site because that might cut into their bottom line. Dotcom, a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the site in 2010 alone, according to the indictment. 'Popular File-Sharing Website Megaupload Shut Down' http://tinyurl.com/6px6kp2
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On 01/20/2012 12:12 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So appropriate, too, that the clip above is shared by the non-copyright owner. Bhairitu: They've always had a don't upload copyrighted material you don't own message there... Apparently you didn't get the point - the entire site could be brought down if anyone posts illegal movies or products on it that are copyrighted. So if a drug dealer some evening walks up on your lawn and does a drug deal, gets caught by the police, should the police be able to take your house as an accomplice? Somebody just wants to avoid policing their own site because that might cut into their bottom line. A lot of companies don't want to be in the policing business including Google, Microsoft and others. It's also a liability. To hire people who would actually know if a copyright is violated is expensive if not almost impossible. The way it works now is fine and one of the few good points about the DMCA. You have to file a takedown notice and in fact I am in the process of writing one of those up for a friend who didn't renew his domain name but the person who bought it put up an old version of his web site using the WayBack Machine and also put links to businesses who we found were unaware of such links. Sometimes people actually get permission to use material in a video and fail to put an acknowledgement which is not always required. As a musician I know exactly how to make a tune sound like another tune without violating a copyright. I did that with Republican Cry Babies as obviously Cry Baby Cry by the Beatles would have made great background so I made something that sounds like it but isn't. And pity the company that takes down any of my stuff with my original music and videos which I take great effort to make sure is my own because I will find a good pro bono lawyer if they have deep pockets. In the Bay Area there are some damn good ones who would take the case. This is also why companies like YouTube are opposed to SOPA. Dotcom, a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the site in 2010 alone, according to the indictment. 'Popular File-Sharing Website Megaupload Shut Down' http://tinyurl.com/6px6kp2 You do know that MegaUpload had two kinds of services? One was ad based free where you have to wait up to a minute for the download to start and the fee based one which downloaded faster and there is no wait. Perfectly legitimate business and that's where they made their money. I would imagine they were smart enough to never put content there they didn't own themselves. Plus they probably responded promptly to any takedown notice. In fact I think I've seen links on forums to files there where a follow up post reported that the file had been removed. The bottom line is the US entertainment industry sucks and is run largely by untalented, uninnovative people who can't swing with the times. By the law of the supposed free market they should be out of business instead of asking for help from big government. Guess you're not into free markets though, eh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
Call your Congress Critters: Ask how the money they raise from Big Media, Pro-SOPA or Anti-SOPA groups will influence their vote. http://sopatrack.com/ Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-3) $209,050 from pro-SOPA groups $34,275 from anti-SOPA groups Call him now: 202-225-3806 Rep. Bruce Braley (D-1) $49,800 from big media $907,260 from pro-SOPA groups $27,750 from anti-SOPA groups Call him now: 202-225-2911 Sen. Chuck Grassley PIPA co-sponsor $291,621 from big media $476,750 from pro-PIPA groups $64,000 from anti-PIPA groups Call him now: 202-224-3744 Sen. Tom Harkin $403,020 from big media $489,467 from pro-PIPA groups $217,600 from anti-PIPA groups Call him now: 202-224-3254 Rep. Steve King (R-5) $47,000 from big media $147,550 from pro-SOPA groups $250 from anti-SOPA groups Call him now: 202-225-4426 Rep. Tom Latham (R-4) $294,550 from pro-SOPA groups $11,150 from anti-SOPA groups Call him now: 202-225-5476 Rep. Dave Loebsack (D-2) $194,731 from pro-SOPA groups $18,750 from anti-SOPA groups Call him now: 202-225-6576 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: PIPA, the Protect IP bill, is also being shoved through the Senate. Our two California senators seemed to have turned into Hollywood Whores supporting the bill. I'm not surprised that Feinstein would though. I've written her several times about my concerns over such legislation and gotten back these lame thought out reasons why she supports the bill. Geez, do I have to vote for Thom Campbell next time (a Republican but liberal and tech savvy and former Congressman)? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111214/17504317092/ Get on the horn to your senator!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
raunchydog: Call your Congress Critters: From what I've read, most of those who urged you to spread the word and fight the bills are among the richest Americans - the one percent! Just follow the money. The problem with this is that the entire site would be affected, not just that portion that is promoting the distribution of illegal material. It would be a bit like requiring the manager of a flea market to shut down the entire market because some of the merchants were selling counterfeit goods. 'Bogus goods to cost flea market $3.6 million' http://tinyurl.com/85ppdhn Read more: Forbes: http://tinyurl.com/7v53pcy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
Bhairitu: PIPA, the Protect IP bill, is also being shoved through the Senate. Our two California senators seemed to have turned into Hollywood Whores... Oh my Gawd. You mean Hollywood has been supporting political candidates by lobbying in the U.S. Congress? This is just outrageous! SOPA and PIPA have proponents and opponents on both sides of the debate. Go figure. Apparently some of our elected officials have been asleep at the wheel by not preventing pirates from steal American technology, products and intellectual property. The question is, who is providing a safe harbor for these foreign sites and who is doing all the illegal downloading and streaming? I'd be real upset if I invested my life savings in a movie project, only to see the profits go to a gang of forgers in a foreign country. A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP: http://tinyurl.com/6q9hr2t
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
Going down the slippery slope of censorship is fraught with peril, both domestically and abroad. Supporters of the law get angry any time people bring up censorship, but as law professor Derek Bambauer has made clear, any effort to block content is a form of censorship. What we can argue is whether or not this form of censorship makes sense or is a policy that people think makes sense. But no one should deny that bills that lead to blocking access to websites is a form of censorship. Read more: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/2022/04254316872/definitive-post-why-sopa-protect-ip-are-bad-bad-ideas.shtml --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: raunchydog: Call your Congress Critters: From what I've read, most of those who urged you to spread the word and fight the bills are among the richest Americans - the one percent! Just follow the money. The problem with this is that the entire site would be affected, not just that portion that is promoting the distribution of illegal material. It would be a bit like requiring the manager of a flea market to shut down the entire market because some of the merchants were selling counterfeit goods. 'Bogus goods to cost flea market $3.6 million' http://tinyurl.com/85ppdhn Read more: Forbes: http://tinyurl.com/7v53pcy
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On 01/19/2012 08:09 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote: Bhairitu: PIPA, the Protect IP bill, is also being shoved through the Senate. Our two California senators seemed to have turned into Hollywood Whores... Oh my Gawd. You mean Hollywood has been supporting political candidates by lobbying in the U.S. Congress? This is just outrageous! SOPA and PIPA have proponents and opponents on both sides of the debate. Go figure. And they are tech ignorant. These bills are stupid. The day has come that our world has become so reliant on tech we probably shouldn't have tech illiterate senators and congressmen. Apparently some of our elected officials have been asleep at the wheel by not preventing pirates from steal American technology, products and intellectual property. The question is, who is providing a safe harbor for these foreign sites and who is doing all the illegal downloading and streaming? I don't think most people would bother with torrents if they could just watch the movie online for a dollar or two. Those of us who follow the streaming revolution are trying to figure out why some studios are behind the times. I'd be real upset if I invested my life savings in a movie project, only to see the profits go to a gang of forgers in a foreign country. You wouldn't because piracy would only effect a tiny part of the profits on the movie. The studios are bluffing and turning piracy into a blockbuster effect. But the real reason we're against this *is* the slippery slope it presents towards censorship. Today blocking a foreign movie site. Tomorrow the Willytex web site. Or the Prarie Dog Cafe site. A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP: http://tinyurl.com/6q9hr2t
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Jon Stewart on SOPA: http://gothamist.com/2012/01/19/jon_stewart_sopa_will_drive_us_to_t.php From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too! Going down the slippery slope of censorship is fraught with peril, both domestically and abroad. Supporters of the law get angry any time people bring up censorship, but as law professor Derek Bambauer has made clear, any effort to block content is a form of censorship. What we can argue is whether or not this form of censorship makes sense or is a policy that people think makes sense. But no one should deny that bills that lead to blocking access to websites is a form of censorship. Read more: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/2022/04254316872/definitive-post-why-sopa-protect-ip-are-bad-bad-ideas.shtml --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: raunchydog: Call your Congress Critters: From what I've read, most of those who urged you to spread the word and fight the bills are among the richest Americans - the one percent! Just follow the money. The problem with this is that the entire site would be affected, not just that portion that is promoting the distribution of illegal material. It would be a bit like requiring the manager of a flea market to shut down the entire market because some of the merchants were selling counterfeit goods. 'Bogus goods to cost flea market $3.6 million' http://tinyurl.com/85ppdhn Read more: Forbes: http://tinyurl.com/7v53pcy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Jon Stewart on SOPA: http://gothamist.com/2012/01/19/jon_stewart_sopa_will_drive_us_to_t.php So appropriate, too, that the clip above is shared by the non-copyright owner. From: raunchydog raunchydog@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stop PIPA too! Going down the slippery slope of censorship is fraught with peril, both domestically and abroad. Supporters of the law get angry any time people bring up censorship, but as law professor Derek Bambauer has made clear, any effort to block content is a form of censorship. What we can argue is whether or not this form of censorship makes sense or is a policy that people think makes sense. But no one should deny that bills that lead to blocking access to websites is a form of censorship. Read more: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/2022/04254316872/definitive-post-why-sopa-protect-ip-are-bad-bad-ideas.shtml
