Re: OT: Pit bull seizures in Denver
Yeah, I heard about this. Some friends of mine from college had there pit bulls taken and the county refused to release them because the older one growled at the control officers. They broke into the pound in the middle of the night and stole them back. Its amazing what some moxey and a pair of bolt-cutters can do for you.. They now live, altogether again, in New York state.Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is off topic but I remember the discussions we had about pitt bulls a couple of months ago wondered if anyone had seen this __ Denver Pit Bull Owners in a Panic Over Ban July 20, 2005 7:38 PM EDT DENVER - A few weeks ago, two police cars and two animal control vehicles pulled up at the home of Stef'ny Steffen looking for her beloved 4-year-old pit bull, Xena. Seven officers hauled the animal off to the city shelter, putting her on death row. Xena became an outlaw after Denver won a court fight and reinstated one of the toughest pit-bull bans in the nation. Since May, more than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed - an average of more than three a day. Dog owners are in a panic. Some are using an underground railroad of sorts, sending their pets to live elsewhere or hiding them from authorities. City officials would not estimate how many people might be violating the ordinance. Some owners, like Steffen, have won a reprieve for their pets with help from a rescue group. The group got Xena released by signing an affidavit stating that the animal would never return to Denver. The group took the dog to Mariah's Promise in Divide, an animal sanctuary that has accepted more than three dozen pit bulls from Denver. For Steffen and her partner, Gina Black, leaving Xena 60 miles from home was a lousy option but the only one they had. "It's safer than animal control. Safer than keeping her underground - at least she'll be able to play now," Steffen said. "But she'll miss us. We're her pack." Denver is one of three major metropolitan areas, along with Miami and Cincinnati, to ban pit bulls, according to Glen Bui, vice president of the American Canine Foundation. Pit bull typically describes three kinds of dogs - the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. But Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior does not matter. City Councilman Charlie Brown said that in his judgment, "pit bulls are trained to attack. They're bred to do that." Critics of the ban use words like "annihilation" and "genocide," and the city shelter has received e-mails likening animal control officers to Nazis. "Breed bans are just a knee-jerk reaction to something that happened in the community," Bui said. Denver banned pit bulls in 1989 after dogs mauled a minister and killed a boy in separate attacks. The Legislature passed a law in 2004 that prohibited breed-specific bans, but the city sued and a judge ruled in April the law was an unconstitutional violation of local control. Critics of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an entire breed is misguided that the law should instead target irresponsible owners and all dangerous dogs. "If anyone says one dog is more likely to kill - unless there's a study out there that I haven't seen - that's not based on scientific data," said Julie Gilchrist, a doctor at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who researches dog bites. The CDC, the American Veterinary Medical Association and the Humane Society of the United States examined 20 years of dog-bite data and concluded that pit bulls and Rottweilers caused the most deaths. But the researchers also noted that fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog-bite injuries and that the number of bites per breed simply seems to rise with their popularity. At the city shelter, pit bulls are cordoned off from other dogs in what has become death row. Nearly 100 pit bulls have been released to live outside the county. A nonresident must guarantee the dog will never return to Denver. Sonya Dias, who is moving out of Denver because of the ban, said she was a little intimidated by her pit bull when she first saw him. But "when I said, `Hey little doggie,' his whole body just started wagging." Gryffindor is staying at Mariah's Promise until Dias sells her home. "He's been dangerous to a couple of pairs of shoes and some mini-blinds," Dias said. "But otherwise he's a jewel." --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: OT: Pit bull seizures in Denver
Yeah for your friends.. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Pit bull seizures in Denver Yeah, I heard about this. Some friends of mine from college had there pit bulls taken and the county refused to release them because the older one growled at the control officers. They broke into the pound in the middle of the night and stole them back. Its amazing what some moxey and a pair of bolt-cutters can do for you.. They now live, altogether again, in New York state. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is off topic but I remember the discussions we had about pitt bulls a couple of months ago wondered if anyone had seen this __ Denver Pit Bull Owners in a Panic Over Ban July 20, 2005 7:38 PM EDT DENVER - A few weeks ago, two police cars and two animal control vehicles pulled up at the home of Stef'ny Steffen looking for her beloved 4-year-old pit bull, Xena. Seven officers hauled the animal off to the city shelter, putting her on death row. Xena became an outlaw after Denver won a court fight and reinstated one of the toughest pit-bull bans in the nation. Since May, more than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed - an average of more than three a day. Dog owners are in a panic. Some are using an underground railroad of sorts, sending their pets to live elsewhere or hiding them from authorities. City officials would not estimate how many people might be violating the ordinance. Some owners, like Steffen, have won a reprieve for their pets with help from a rescue group. The group got Xena released by signing an affidavit stating that the animal would never return to Denver. The group took the dog to Mariah's Promise in Divide, an animal sanctuary that has accepted more than three dozen pit bulls from Denver. For Steffen and her partner, Gina Black, leaving Xena 60 miles from home was a lousy option but the only one they had. It's safer than animal control. Safer than keeping her underground - at least she'll be able to play now, Steffen said. But she'll miss us. We're her pack. Denver is one of three major metropolitan areas, along with Miami and Cincinnati, to ban pit bulls, according to Glen Bui, vice president of the American Canine Foundation. Pit bull typically describes three kinds of dogs - the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. But Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior does not matter. City Councilman Charlie Brown said that in his judgment, pit bulls are trained to attack. They're bred to do that. Critics of the ban use words like annihilation and genocide, and the city shelter has received e-mails likening animal control officers to Nazis. Breed bans are just a knee-jerk reaction to something that happened in the community, Bui said. Denver banned pit bulls in 1989 after dogs mauled a minister and killed a boy in separate attacks. The Legislature passed a law in 2004 that prohibited breed-specific bans, but the city sued and a judge ruled in April the law was an unconstitutional violation of local control. Critics of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an entire breed is misguided that the law should instead target irresponsible owners and all dangerous dogs. If anyone says one dog is more likely to kill - unless there's a study out there that I haven't seen - that's not based on scientific data, said Julie Gilchrist, a doctor at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who researches dog bites. The CDC, the American Veterinary Medical Association and the Humane Society of the United States examined 20 years of dog-bite data and concluded that pit bulls and Rottweilers caused the most deaths. But the researchers also noted that fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog-bite injuries and that the number of bites per breed simply seems to rise with their popularity. At the city shelter, pit bulls are cordoned off from other dogs in what has become death row. Nearly 100 pit bulls have been released to live outside the county. A nonresident must guarantee the dog will never return to Denver. Sonya Dias, who is moving out of Denver because of the ban, said she was a little intimidated by her pit bull when she first saw him. But when I said, `Hey little doggie,' his whole body just started wagging. Gryffindor is staying at Mariah's Promise until Dias sells her home. He's been dangerous to a couple of pairs of shoes and some mini-blinds, Dias said. But otherwise he's a jewel. --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
RE: OT: Pit bull seizures in Denver
I'll second that!!Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah for your friends .. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:39 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Pit bull seizures in Denver Yeah, I heard about this. Some friends of mine from college had there pit bulls taken and the county refused to release them because the older one growled at the control officers. They broke into the pound in the middle of the night and stole them back. Its amazing what some moxey and a pair of bolt-cutters can do for you.. They now live, altogether again, in New York state.Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is off topic but I remember the discussions we had about pitt bulls a couple of months ago wondered if anyone had seen this __ Denver Pit Bull Owners in a Panic Over Ban July 20, 2005 7:38 PM EDT DENVER - A few weeks ago, two police cars and two animal control vehicles pulled up at the home of Stef'ny Steffen looking for her beloved 4-year-old pit bull, Xena. Seven officers hauled the animal off to the city shelter, putting her on death row. Xena became an outlaw after Denver won a court fight and reinstated one of the toughest pit-bull bans in the nation. Since May, more than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed - an average of more than three a day. Dog owners are in a panic. Some are using an underground railroad of sorts, sending their pets to live elsewhere or hiding them from authorities. City officials would not estimate how many people might be violating the ordinance. Some owners, like Steffen, have won a reprieve for their pets with help from a rescue group. The group got Xena released by signing an affidavit stating that the animal would never return to Denver. The group took the dog to Mariah's Promise in Divide, an animal sanctuary that has accepted more than three dozen pit bulls from Denver. For Steffen and her partner, Gina Black, leaving Xena 60 miles from home was a lousy option but the only one they had. "It's safer than animal control. Safer than keeping her underground - at least she'll be able to play now," Steffen said. "But she'll miss us. We're her pack." Denver is one of three major metropolitan areas, along with Miami and Cincinnati, to ban pit bulls, according to Glen Bui, vice president of the American Canine Foundation. Pit bull typically describes three kinds of dogs - the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. But Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior does not matter. City Councilman Charlie Brown said that in his judgment, "pit bulls are trained to attack. They're bred to do that." Critics of the ban use words like "annihilation" and "genocide," and the city shelter has received e-mails likening animal control officers to Nazis. "Breed bans are just a knee-jerk reaction to something that happened in the community," Bui said. Denver banned pit bulls in 1989 after dogs mauled a minister and killed a boy in separate attacks. The Legislature passed a law in 2004 that prohibited breed-specific bans, but the city sued and a judge ruled in April the law was an unconstitutional violation of local control. Critics of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an entire breed is misguided that the law should instead target irresponsible owners and all dangerous dogs. "If anyone says one dog is more likely to kill - unless there's a study out there that I haven't seen - that's not based on scientific data," said Julie Gilchrist, a doctor at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who researches dog bites. The CDC, the American Veterinary Medical Association and the Humane Society of the United States examined 20 years of dog-bite data and concluded that pit bulls and Rottweilers caused the most deaths. But the researchers also noted that fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog-bite injuries and that the number of bites per breed simply seems to rise with their popularity. At the city shelter, pit bulls are cordoned off from other dogs in what has become death row. Nearly 100 pit bulls have been released to live outside the county. A nonresident must guarantee the dog will never return to Denver. Sonya Dias, who is moving out of Denver because of the ban, said she was a little intimidated by her pit bull when she first saw him. But "when I said, `Hey little doggie,' his whole body just started wagging." Gryffindor is staying at Mariah's Promise until Dias sells her home. "He's been dangerous to a couple of pairs of shoes and some mini-blinds," Dias said. "But otherwise he's a jewel." --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
Bramble's Michelle
Michelle L, I haven't been able to keep up with the list like I used too, have I missed a post? How are Bramble, Minstrel and Buddy doing? I know you live in the UK and I don't think you've posted since the bombings. Could you please send a short post to let us know how you are doing? Hoping all is well, Nina
RE: Bramble's Michelle
Speaking of postings, I really don't see much postings anymore, I hope everyone and everyone's furry babies are doing ok including Bramble! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Bramble's Michelle Michelle L, I haven't been able to keep up with the list like I used too, have I missed a post? How are Bramble, Minstrel and Buddy doing? I know you live in the UK and I don't think you've posted since the bombings. Could you please send a short post to let us know how you are doing? Hoping all is well, Nina
Prayers for Buck
Hi Guys, I hope you all will pray for my boy Buck who is at the Vets tonight in critical condition. Buck is brother to Spanky who I lost suddenly last week. He is suffering from another blockage and this time the Doctor doesn't give much hope for recovery. Buck and Spanky were both felv + since kittens, but you would never know it to look at them. He is a 20lb sweet baby. Monday he started to mope around and stopped eating. I thought he was missing his brother. They were always together playing or sleeping, just like twins one always seemed to know what the other was thinking. I didn't realize he was sick, he hid it well. The vets around here close all day Wed so I couldn't get him to a doc until this morning. So now he may die because I didn't get him to a doctor sooner. I haven't had the chance to get over losing Spanky and now I may lose him too. I think that is why I didn't spot his illness. I guess maybe he wants to be with his brother but if he leaves me it will break my heart. Thanks for listening and please send good thoughts his way. Sheila
Re: Our boys' B-day!
Wow, congratulations. That's something to be thankful for! Gloria On Jul 20, 2005, at 2:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to wait to post on the actual day...but since the list is a little slow (and because I couldn't wait to announce it) :) ...Our boys, Sleepypants and Ewok, will be 3 years old on the 22nd! :) Not too shabby for a couple of guys born with the virus! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George
