Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
Amani-I thought that the meds you talked about might be beneficial for both since both are viruses-thanks! note: keeping the previous emails attached for context-hope this is okay Gloria -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > I was confused about that because the "re" line said FeLV. > > It doesn’t matter though. I have used the medication combo on a cat from a > feral colony where FIV ran rampant and killed most of the cats. When I took > mine in, she was very very sick as well. She pulled through on the med > combination. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Gloria > Sent: October-17-18 10:49 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent > > Amani- > FYI > Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.❤️ > Gloria > > > -g > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> Hi Sandy >> >> I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this >> chatline. >> >> I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum: >> >> I would like to share what I think is very important information with others >> who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. >> >> >> "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by >> other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a >> few times today in response to a few of the posts. >> >> I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died >> from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When >> the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with >> leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and >> I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers >> to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I >> had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. >> >> This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we >> were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After >> being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to >> climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets >> couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of >> the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of >> his ears, ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
I was confused about that because the "re" line said FeLV. It doesn’t matter though. I have used the medication combo on a cat from a feral colony where FIV ran rampant and killed most of the cats. When I took mine in, she was very very sick as well. She pulled through on the med combination. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Sent: October-17-18 10:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent Amani- FYI Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.❤️ Gloria -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sandy > > I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this > chatline. > > I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum: > > I would like to share what I think is very important information with others > who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. > > > "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by > other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a > few times today in response to a few of the posts. > > I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died > from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When > the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with > leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and > I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to > any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in > the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. > > This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we > were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After > being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb > very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't > believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods > in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, > gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our > unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting > better after only a few days on the medication. After about a year, I called > back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us > there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my > surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" > and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible > liver damage associated wit > h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was > dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a > potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on > a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down > to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored > our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if > I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with > a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the > Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. > > The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him > to eat when he was so very sick. > > I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and > when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day > for a maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and > Doxycycline (50 mg) as well. > > I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a > science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory > medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using > this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other > situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that > it has come through more often than not. > > I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and > medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in > circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other > options and their kitten or cat will die. > > I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of > veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
Amani- FYI Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.❤️ Gloria -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sandy > > I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this > chatline. > > I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum: > > I would like to share what I think is very important information with others > who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. > > > "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by > other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a > few times today in response to a few of the posts. > > I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died > from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When > the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with > leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and > I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to > any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in > the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. > > This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we > were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After > being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb > very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't > believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods > in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, > gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our > unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting > better after only a few days on the medication. After about a year, I called > back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us > there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my > surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" > and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible > liver damage associated wit > h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was > dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a > potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on > a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down > to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored > our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if > I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with > a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the > Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. > > The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him > to eat when he was so very sick. > > I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and > when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day > for a maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and > Doxycycline (50 mg) as well. > > I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a > science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory > medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using > this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other > situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that > it has come through more often than not. > > I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and > medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in > circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other > options and their kitten or cat will die. > > I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of > veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the > association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific > community as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising > drug. This saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean > really - does it make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver > disease, when your animal is dying Wouldn't you give that option in those > circumstances, and let the pet owner understand the risks??? Personally, I > think that the risk of permanent liver damage is not a significant risk. The > information I have been able to find - buried so very deeply as to be almost > unable to be found on the Internet - points to any change in the liver > enzymes as being transitory and not representing any
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arting to go up from basically a zero level). He was eating and looking better, so I grit my teeth and proceeded with the Winstrol. I suspect that many vets might have abandoned ship at that point, and pulled the Winstrol before it had had an opportunity to really have the desired effect, but my vet was at least good enough to recognize that if this treatment didn't work, my cat was out of luck, and she allowed me to continue on with the Winstrol since Zander was doing better in so many other ways. This was also our experience when I used Winstrol in another very elderly cat who had a large and aggressive sarcoma in her sinus cavity, and again who was not expected to live very long. She lived another 3 years after the diagnosis (she was around 19 when she passed away), and I believe that the Winstrol helped immensely in getting her to keep eating, and to keep the swelling under control. With her, we definitely found that her liver enzymes spiked dramatically with the use of the Winstrol, but settled down immediately with a brief discontinuance of the drug. Zander died at age 7 from cardiomyopathy - nothing to do with his liver. I tortured myself with thoughts that maybe the Winstrol had caused the cardiomyopathy, and for all I know, it did. However, again, I did a fair amount of research and initially, I found references to a link between Winstrol and cardiac damage, but the link was pretty tenuous at best, and seemed to be suspected in athletes who had taken Winstrol at 100 X the recommended dosages for years and years. My guilt has never gone away because of course, you never know, but what I do know is that I would have lost him when he was only a year old. If the Winstrol managed to give me 6 more very good years with my cat, who played and was exceptionally affectionate and showed an extreme happiness with his life, then I would have to say I have no hesitation in doing it again. What I find truly bizarre is that given the death sentence that this disease represents to cats, it should be very simple indeed to (a) have vets try the Winstrol and see what their experience is with it (with the proviso that they shouldn't pull a cat off the Winstrol just because the liver enzymes start to go up) and (b) why haven't there been some decent clinical trials with this stuff? The cats are zero given probability of surviving this disease. Even if Winstrol only works sometimes, that is better than the odds we are given for these cats at the moment." Sandy - let me also point out that with further experience, I am now very firmly of the view that it was the combination of Doxycycline, Winstrol (stanozalol) and prednisone that was effective. Doxycycline is an antibiotic which has interesting and effective properties against other viruses and parasites as well. It is my hypothesis that the Doxycycline prevents the FeLV virus from properly replicating (as it has been scientifically established to interfere with cell wall synthesis in some other viruses), and simultaneously, the WInstrol works on the bone marrow to get it to turn back on and start producing the progenitor cells (immatures) of the red cell, white cell and platelet lines. Winstrol is used in humans for severe and intractable hereditary anemia, and of course, athletes use it to build up muscle and heal injured tissues. You will need the compounding pharmacy to get the Winstrol, and you will need a vet who is onside. Some people on this forum have had good success with this combination of medication. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Sandy Millard Sent: October 17, 2018 2:18 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: gcm...@comcast.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? Sandy gcm...@comcast.net Sent from Xfinity Connect Application ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Compounding pharmacy link-don’t have to join website to read info: https://www.pharmacist.com/frequently-asked-questions-about-pharmaceutical-compounding A compound pharmacy will prepare prescription in the dose that your vet (or doctor) prescribes —- whereas a regular pharmacy only gives you meds that are already prepared by a pharmaceutical company -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Sandy Millard wrote: > > Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"? > After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny comfortable and > make sure he eats good food. > I dread what is to come. > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > > -Original Message- > > From: gloriajh...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Cc: gcm...@comcast.net > Sent: 2018-10-17 3:37:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent > > I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest > a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have > medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats > in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson > sharing—imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks. > So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️ > Gloria > > -g > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: >> >> I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the >> symptoms of upper respiratory infections? >> >> I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and >> water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? >> Sandy >> gcm...@comcast.net >> >> >> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"? After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny comfortable and make sure he eats good food. I dread what is to come. Sent from Xfinity Connect Application -Original Message- From: gloriajh...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: gcm...@comcast.net Sent: 2018-10-17 3:37:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson sharing—imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks. So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️ Gloria -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: > > I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the > symptoms of upper respiratory infections? > > I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and > water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? > Sandy > gcm...@comcast.net > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson sharing—imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks. So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️ Gloria -g Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: > > I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the > symptoms of upper respiratory infections? > > I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and > water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? > Sandy > gcm...@comcast.net > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections? I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? Sandy gcm...@comcast.net Sent from Xfinity Connect Application___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
