Re: [Felvtalk] formulate a game plan for retest and mix positives and negatives
Merlin, don't forget with feral/hard strays there can be more than one father for a litter. It is possible that the positive kitten's father was positive and the father for the other kitten was negative. Yes the kittens should be retested in 4 months in case they picked up the virus from the positive adult kitty. Personally I'd start vaccinating the negatives now. They will need a booster shot 3-4 weeks after the initial shot. You have a well thought out plan. Can your trapping partner deal with it? Sharyl --- On Thu, 10/22/09, mary (merlin) marshall wrote: > From: mary (merlin) marshall > Subject: [Felvtalk] formulate a game plan for retest and mix positives and > negatives > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 3:30 PM > Hi MaryChristine, > > I forwarded your link in your later email to my friend. > > Your email helped me formulate a plan for my friend. > > First, the situation: > 3 adult cats living together for about 1.5 years. > 1 adult FIV cat living with the group for about a year. > Monday found out 1 of the 3 is FeLV positive, the rest > negative, including the FIV cat. > 2 kittens, about 5 or 6 months old, exposed to FeLV for > about 3 months, one tests negative, one tests positive > now. Their mother was tested negative and it is > presumed they were originally negative. > 1 kitten, about 3 months old, exposed to FeLV for about 3-4 > weeks, tests negative now. This kitten's mother was > tested last week and is negative. She was not part of > the household or exposed to the household cats. > > The Plan > Caveat: The only way to make sure a cat doesn't get > leukemia is to keep it away from leukemia cats. > > The 4 adult cats have all been together for at least a year > and only one has leukemia. Presumably, if the rest were > going to get it, they probably already would have it. > Retesting them in 3 or 4 months probably won't make a > difference since they have had at least a year of > exposure. Unless they should get the IFA test now to > confirm negative status? Vaccinate the negatives (give > this how much time to work?), then let the adults mix - the > possibility of the rest getting leukemia is very low. > Vaccinate (and test?) the negatives annually. > > The kittens are more difficult. None have been > exposed for 4 months. One might really be positive, or > maybe this is false positive. The other 2 are negative > at this time, all according to ELISA. > > The positive kitten has only been exposed for about 90 > days. Should she get the IFA test now, or wait another > month because maybe the virus has not had time to > incubate? In any case, she should be isolated from the > negatives and the adult positive. > > All 3 of the kittens should be retested, at least with > ELSA, in 4 months? Should the negative ones start > vaccinations now, or wait until after the second test? > Once the kittens who are negative at the 2nd test are > vaccinated, they be allowed to mix with the adults, again > keeping in mind the only sure way to prevent infection is to > keep positives and negatives separate. > > Does this plan sound reasonable, and reasonably safe for > the household cats? > > Merlin > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] formulate a game plan for retest and mix positives and negatives
Hi MaryChristine, I forwarded your link in your later email to my friend. Your email helped me formulate a plan for my friend. First, the situation: 3 adult cats living together for about 1.5 years. 1 adult FIV cat living with the group for about a year. Monday found out 1 of the 3 is FeLV positive, the rest negative, including the FIV cat. 2 kittens, about 5 or 6 months old, exposed to FeLV for about 3 months, one tests negative, one tests positive now. Their mother was tested negative and it is presumed they were originally negative. 1 kitten, about 3 months old, exposed to FeLV for about 3-4 weeks, tests negative now. This kitten's mother was tested last week and is negative. She was not part of the household or exposed to the household cats. The Plan Caveat: The only way to make sure a cat doesn't get leukemia is to keep it away from leukemia cats. The 4 adult cats have all been together for at least a year and only one has leukemia. Presumably, if the rest were going to get it, they probably already would have it. Retesting them in 3 or 4 months probably won't make a difference since they have had at least a year of exposure. Unless they should get the IFA test now to confirm negative status? Vaccinate the negatives (give this how much time to work?), then let the adults mix - the possibility of the rest getting leukemia is very low. Vaccinate (and test?) the negatives annually. The kittens are more difficult. None have been exposed for 4 months. One might really be positive, or maybe this is false positive. The other 2 are negative at this time, all according to ELISA. The positive kitten has only been exposed for about 90 days. Should she get the IFA test now, or wait another month because maybe the virus has not had time to incubate? In any case, she should be isolated from the negatives and the adult positive. All 3 of the kittens should be retested, at least with ELSA, in 4 months? Should the negative ones start vaccinations now, or wait until after the second test? Once the kittens who are negative at the 2nd test are vaccinated, they be allowed to mix with the adults, again keeping in mind the only sure way to prevent infection is to keep positives and negatives separate. Does this plan sound reasonable, and reasonably safe for the household cats? Merlin > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:06:52 -0400 > From: MaryChristine > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia questions > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Message-ID: > <810264f50910211606p2cea30d8l23e9d7ed186db...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > to me, the key is making sure the negatives are really > negative: ie, even if > they test negative on an initial snap, unless you know it's > been at least > 120 days since they COULD have been exposed, they could > still be incubating > the virus. of course, we're all in denial, so if we get a > negative test, we > believe it > > a darling tortie who tested negative at the shelter and > moved into my house > with the shelter manager wasn't truly negative, and we > didn't find that out > til months later when she got very ill: she was positive, > and died soon > after. there were 12 other cats involved--two of them > 3-month-old kittens > when brownee came into the house, as well as at least two > elders--both of > those high-risk groups. we tested all of them, but at 90 > days (which i now > consider too soon), but my vet suggested that i NOT retest > until and unless > there were any symptoms that was 9 years ago. > > once you know a cat is truly negative, then vaccinating > them is the answer: > there are no documented cases of actual negatives ever > becoming persistently > positive from living with a true positive (also tested at > least twice with > enough time between the tests). i know that i've looked for > those studies, > because i initially presumed there had to be some--and > there's just not that > i have ever found. the current vaccines are very > effective--and considering > that 70% of cats can either not be infected in the first > place, at will > process the virus out, even the old 85% efficacy rate often > quoted drops the > number of cats who WILL become infected way down. > > one of my favorite cases to quote is that of my friend > katiekalico--she was > never tested when she first came into a friend's household, > and just got > vaccinated each year. at about age 4, i think, she got > sick, and was > routinely tested--positive! every year since, she's been > retested, and all > her sibkits have been tested: she remains positive, they > remain negative. > all are vaccinated yearly. > > in sanctuary experience, FIVs are as ab
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Absolutely no offense taken. I just wasn't sure if you were serious or not. I just don't know this vet very well, because my vet of choice quit her practice recently. The main reason was over the people and not her patients. And hey! Shooting is as Texan as cowboy boots. I have a friend who keeps a shotgun by her bed. Again, I doubt is it to shoot anything with a tail. :) Sandy
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That is awful...I don't really know why people think all of this...My Bandy and Little Rascal (who just turned 16) and another that is 13 all live together and share everything...Bandy is FIV and FeLV +, but I wouldn't separate them for the world as they are all big buddies...The other 2 are Negative and all have been together for almost 5 yrs...I added a new kitty 2 yrs ago with them and he is negative as well...Just wanted to share this with everyone.. Head butts to all and hope everyone is well.. Kerry and Bandy Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
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It's such a shame what some vets do. I kind of hope you told them why. Gloria On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Dudes wrote: When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orange Cotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10 kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found one who was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, they euthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to find another vet for my cats! Sandy - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 ...
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Hi Sandy sorry to come off that way our bark is worse than our bite. When I write letters they are very professional and I never tell them I want to shoot themits just venting... I have been doing rescue for 20 years and find I dislike people in general more and more... I just got finished reading a story about a pit that was sexually molested in CA. after reading that you dont want to hear about a "healer" that kills. I apologize if I offended youits the NYer in me..
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I agree that this vet needs some serious education, but I try not to burn bridges, as much as I would like to. This might be a good opportunity to save more cats from her ill advice. She will definitely not get any more of my business, and I will certainly tell her why. And I have a big family of fuzzies, with 4 cats and two senior dogs. That would hit her where it really hurts. :) Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: positives and negatives Ladies, I think a letter writing campain is necessary.if sandy wishes to give up the name and address..this vet should be shot
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Absolutely.. if I did not have all the cats to take care of .. I would shoot this vet myself to honor the lives of these babies who were killed by him/her.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: positives and negatives Ladies, I think a letter writing campain is necessary.if sandy wishes to give up the name and address..this vet should be shot
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Ladies, I think a letter writing campain is necessary.if sandy wishes to give up the name and address..this vet should be shot
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OH MY GOD!!! That is total bullsh*t! Sorry if I offended anyone but that is unnecessary! Oh that makes me blood boil when I hear these stories. I'm so glad you changed Vets! Thank and Bless You too! In a message dated 11/1/2005 2:20:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orangeCotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found onewho was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, theyeuthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to findanother vet for my cats!Sandy Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
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GH! it just breaks my heart --- I can't stand it - the only hope is that they are now at a better place with no cruelty.. but still - it makes me so mad and so sad.. and I just can't deal with these things!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dudes Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:26 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: positives and negatives When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orange Cotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10 kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found one who was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, they euthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to find another vet for my cats! Sandy - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >2. Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >3. Re: Importation of drugs (Nina) >4. Re: Introduction (Mari Kolbe) >5. Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >6. Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea? (Nina) >7. Re: Importation of drugs (gary) >8. Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens (Del Daniels) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:13:42 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have tried lamasil and always go back to blue star > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/a5c3915d/att achm ent.htm > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:16:47 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > iodine seems very slow but works.. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/20bec13b/att achm ent.htm > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:35:49 -0800 > From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Importation of drugs > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Gary, > My Internist's office has been very cooperative about helping me and > others get special FDA compensations for Interferon Omega, > (recombinant). If you give me more specifics, (the name of the drug and > company that manufactures, or distributes it), I'd be happy to put in a > call to my vet and ask them what they know. > Nina > > gary wrote: > > > Does anyone know what the FDA regs are on importing drugs for > > veterinary use? I have recently read an article about a study done on > > FIV+ cats in Italy and they used the natural interferon alpha and > > found it to be much more effective than the recombinant version. The > > study also referred to another test done with FeLV+ cats with similar > > results. I was given a link to a company that imports the natural > > interferon and it is quite reasonably priced at a box of five, 3 > > million unit vials for $350. The companies rep is not aware of what > > FDA regs there might be for vet use. You can import a 3 month supply > > for your personal use but I assume this requires you to fill out > > paperwork about your condition, etc., and probably a Rx. > > > > Gary > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >
positives and negatives
When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orange Cotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10 kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found one who was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, they euthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to find another vet for my cats! Sandy - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >2. Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >3. Re: Importation of drugs (Nina) >4. Re: Introduction (Mari Kolbe) >5. Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >6. Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea? (Nina) >7. Re: Importation of drugs (gary) >8. Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens (Del Daniels) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:13:42 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have tried lamasil and always go back to blue star > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/a5c3915d/attachm ent.htm > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:16:47 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > iodine seems very slow but works.. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/20bec13b/attachm ent.htm > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:35:49 -0800 > From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Importation of drugs > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Gary, > My Internist's office has been very cooperative about helping me and > others get special FDA compensations for Interferon Omega, > (recombinant). If you give me more specifics, (the name of the drug and > company that manufactures, or distributes it), I'd be happy to put in a > call to my vet and ask them what they know. > Nina > > gary wrote: > > > Does anyone know what the FDA regs are on importing drugs for > > veterinary use? I have recently read an article about a study done on > > FIV+ cats in Italy and they used the natural interferon alpha and > > found it to be much more effective than the recombinant version. The > > study also referred to another test done with FeLV+ cats with similar > > results. I was given a link to a company that imports the natural > > interferon and it is quite reasonably priced at a box of five, 3 > > million unit vials for $350. The companies rep is not aware of what > > FDA regs there might be for vet use. You can import a 3 month supply > > for your personal use but I assume this requires you to fill out > > paperwork about your condition, etc., and probably a Rx. > > > > Gary > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/f9420857/attachm ent.htm > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:37:30 -0600 > From: Mari Kolbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Introduction > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sandy C: > Greetings from yet another fellow Houstonian (what area? we are east side). > High quality food and immune boosting supplements will go a long way > towards giving Cotton the "fuel" he needs to gain weight and strength. As > you are already seeing - this is a great list full of members with years and > years of experience all willing to share. > We personally have been caring for leuk positives (and mixing with > vaccinated negative cats) for over 20 years. The same information that was > available to us back then is still circulating on the internet as "cu
