Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Carl Eugen Hoyos]

2019-04-13 3:36 GMT+02:00, Andrew Grathwohl :
> Just FYI, this is not the only list that has felt uneasy by
> Mr. Harald's behavior.[0]

Could you please stop this?

Deface somebody's name is just as unhelpful as pointing
fingers!

Please everybody stop this, Carl Eugen
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Carl Eugen Hoyos]

2019-04-12 5:48 GMT+02:00, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user :

> I offer the following in the hope that it can be viewed as
> constructive criticism.

Coming from you (and knowing your posts for more than a
decade) that would have been more than just a surprise.

Carl Eugen
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Andrew Grathwohl]

Just FYI, this is not the only list that has felt uneasy by Mr. Harald's
behavior.[0]

[0]
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-disc...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/4FQXYY3K25GXHDLCMHWB7WAWVUY5LA3E/

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 9:25 PM Reindl Harald 
wrote:

>
>
> Am 12.04.19 um 23:50 schrieb Dennis Mungai:
> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 10:27, Reindl Harald 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Am 12.04.19 um 06:51 schrieb Dennis Mungai:
> >>> We need to stop making *this* a justification for the toxicity the
> likes
> >> of
> >>> Reindl create in this mailing list.
> >>
> >> it's bullshit, wouldn't a few fools not make a fuss about a single
> >> sentence nothing would have happened but since there are some fools
> >> making a drama out of everything long dicussions appear
> >>
> >> the problem are the US people with their "you have to be that nice all
> >> the time that even if you want to express you like to spit one in the
> >> face sounds like a compliment" attitude
> >>
> >>
> > Dismissing repeated misconduct is BULLSHIT, Reindl.
> >
> > You've got a gigantic personality problem. Face it someday. Therapy
> helps.
> > Either way, it's not beneficial to this project in any form or manner.
>
> i miss how it is beneficial to keep a thread alive which would have had
> just two posts at all - practice what you preach hypocrite
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Reindl Harald]

Am 12.04.19 um 23:50 schrieb Dennis Mungai:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 10:27, Reindl Harald  wrote:
> 
>>
>> Am 12.04.19 um 06:51 schrieb Dennis Mungai:
>>> We need to stop making *this* a justification for the toxicity the likes
>> of
>>> Reindl create in this mailing list.
>>
>> it's bullshit, wouldn't a few fools not make a fuss about a single
>> sentence nothing would have happened but since there are some fools
>> making a drama out of everything long dicussions appear
>>
>> the problem are the US people with their "you have to be that nice all
>> the time that even if you want to express you like to spit one in the
>> face sounds like a compliment" attitude
>>
>>
> Dismissing repeated misconduct is BULLSHIT, Reindl.
> 
> You've got a gigantic personality problem. Face it someday. Therapy helps.
> Either way, it's not beneficial to this project in any form or manner.

i miss how it is beneficial to keep a thread alive which would have had
just two posts at all - practice what you preach hypocrite
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Dennis Mungai]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 10:27, Reindl Harald  wrote:

>
>
> Am 12.04.19 um 06:51 schrieb Dennis Mungai:
> > We need to stop making *this* a justification for the toxicity the likes
> of
> > Reindl create in this mailing list.
>
> it's bullshit, wouldn't a few fools not make a fuss about a single
> sentence nothing would have happened but since there are some fools
> making a drama out of everything long dicussions appear
>
> the problem are the US people with their "you have to be that nice all
> the time that even if you want to express you like to spit one in the
> face sounds like a compliment" attitude
>
>
Dismissing repeated misconduct is BULLSHIT, Reindl.

You've got a gigantic personality problem. Face it someday. Therapy helps.
Either way, it's not beneficial to this project in any form or manner.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Dennis Mungai]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 23:26, Jim Shupert  wrote:

>
> >> I'm from the Republic of Ireland and I have found your behaviour to be
> >> inappropriate for years.
> from the heartland of the USA  I offer the hopeful words of that tragic
> American
> *Rodney King*, the man whose vicious beating by the police department
> was caught on video.
> Mr. King cried out, “Why can't we all just get along?”
>
>
Because these mailing lists have tolerated bigoted and toxic shills like
Harald (and undoubtedly others) for too long.
"Getting along" isn't an option.
Moderation is, and that's clearly lacking here.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Reindl Harald]

Am 12.04.19 um 09:31 schrieb Kieran O Leary:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019, 08:27 Reindl Harald,  wrote:
>>
>> Am 12.04.19 um 06:51 schrieb Dennis Mungai:
>>> We need to stop making *this* a justification for the toxicity the likes
>> of
>>> Reindl create in this mailing list.
>>
>> it's bullshit, wouldn't a few fools not make a fuss about a single
>> sentence nothing would have happened but since there are some fools
>> making a drama out of everything long dicussions appear
>>
>> the problem are the US people with their "you have to be that nice all
>> the time that even if you want to express you like to spit one in the
>> face sounds like a compliment" attitude
>>
> 
> I'm from the Republic of Ireland and I have found your behaviour to be
> inappropriate for years. I think that you really are the harshest person on
> this mailing list and it's so disheartening to see such negativity from you
> all the time.

so be it, your opinion, i couldn't care less

the point is that the "all the time" given that this bullshit thread
triggered more mails from me the the last 3 months in total while
otherwise it would have been a single one
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Kieran O Leary]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019, 08:27 Reindl Harald,  wrote:

>
>
> Am 12.04.19 um 06:51 schrieb Dennis Mungai:
> > We need to stop making *this* a justification for the toxicity the likes
> of
> > Reindl create in this mailing list.
>
> it's bullshit, wouldn't a few fools not make a fuss about a single
> sentence nothing would have happened but since there are some fools
> making a drama out of everything long dicussions appear
>
> the problem are the US people with their "you have to be that nice all
> the time that even if you want to express you like to spit one in the
> face sounds like a compliment" attitude
>

I'm from the Republic of Ireland and I have found your behaviour to be
inappropriate for years. I think that you really are the harshest person on
this mailing list and it's so disheartening to see such negativity from you
all the time.


Best,

Kieran.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Reindl Harald]

Am 12.04.19 um 06:51 schrieb Dennis Mungai:
> We need to stop making *this* a justification for the toxicity the likes of
> Reindl create in this mailing list.

it's bullshit, wouldn't a few fools not make a fuss about a single
sentence nothing would have happened but since there are some fools
making a drama out of everything long dicussions appear

the problem are the US people with their "you have to be that nice all
the time that even if you want to express you like to spit one in the
face sounds like a compliment" attitude
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Dennis Mungai]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 06:49, Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user <
ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org> wrote:

> People, please...
> I offer the following in the hope that it can be viewed as constructive
> criticism.
> The argument here is effectively one which has been raging for years -
> decades, even - and it is not helping anyone.
> The open source community is notorious for being poorly socialised and
> indulging in excessively pedantic or deliberately unhelpful behaviour. I
> have commented on this list about it many times and I stand by those
> comments. This is an example of that.
> This holds back open source software in all its forms. It serves to put
> off new users who might become useful contributors in time. It alienates
> people with useful expertise who are not software engineers. The problems
> caused by all of this are highly visible in open source software in
> general, and ffmpeg in particular.
> I don't know what the solution is, but it must necessarily involve
> everyone being nicer to each other, and not trying to jusify
> unprofessional, discourteous behaviour.
> I've been saying it for years and I'm going to keep saying it: FOSS could
> do so much better than it does, almost solely because of exactly this sort
> of bad behaviour.
> -P
>
>
We need to stop making *this* a justification for the toxicity the likes of
Reindl create in this mailing list.
This isn't about FOSS' tolerance for "bad behavior" as you put it in this
context, but rather this mailing list's willingness to overlook persistent
abuse by Harald.
A pattern of repeated harassment that mailing list mods overlook, either by
choice or omission, is the problem here.
It's become an echo chamber over time where dialogue is stymied , and put
bluntly, remains openly hostile to a majority of users who'd rather not
post here and get flamed in retaliation.

Until this course is corrected, Harald and his ilk will remain as the
persistent problem they are, unchecked like a cancerous tumor thriving on
necrotized septic toxicity.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user]

People, please...
I offer the following in the hope that it can be viewed as constructive 
criticism.
The argument here is effectively one which has been raging for years - decades, 
even - and it is not helping anyone.
The open source community is notorious for being poorly socialised and 
indulging in excessively pedantic or deliberately unhelpful behaviour. I have 
commented on this list about it many times and I stand by those comments. This 
is an example of that.
This holds back open source software in all its forms. It serves to put off new 
users who might become useful contributors in time. It alienates people with 
useful expertise who are not software engineers. The problems caused by all of 
this are highly visible in open source software in general, and ffmpeg in 
particular.
I don't know what the solution is, but it must necessarily involve everyone 
being nicer to each other, and not trying to jusify unprofessional, 
discourteous behaviour.
I've been saying it for years and I'm going to keep saying it: FOSS could do so 
much better than it does, almost solely because of exactly this sort of bad 
behaviour.
-P
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Carl Zwanzig]

On 4/11/2019 11:01 AM, Nicolas George wrote:

Reindl Harald (12019-04-11):

frankly, my first response was "hell you have the instructions on bottom
of every single message"


Which was, even if accurate, a bit strong.


   and after that with sane people on this list
*no single* repsonse would have been needed in that whole thread



And now you are calling people insane for an incident you caused and
worsened. You really do not realize how rude you are being.


Yes, and thus demonstrating my point.

z!
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Reindl Harald]

Am 11.04.19 um 20:59 schrieb Kieran O Leary:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019, 18:03 Carl Zwanzig,  wrote:
> 
>> On 4/11/2019 9:57 AM, Nicolas George wrote:
>>> No, it is not good to accept it. Reindl Harald is being extremely rude,
>>> he does the exact opposite than he wants other people to do.
>>
>> That usually appears to be the case.
>>
>> On most lists, members behaving badly are put on moderation or simply
>> removed. Perhaps it is time for one of them; if this was one of the lists
>> I
>> host/maintain, Mr Harald would have been placed on moderation after a
>> single
>> warning.
> 
> I agree. I usually see a thread about compilation and think " oh god,reindl
> is going to call the person stupid for not reading the error message"

yeah, error messages are just there to throw them to someone solving
your problems

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Kieran O Leary]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019, 18:03 Carl Zwanzig,  wrote:

> On 4/11/2019 9:57 AM, Nicolas George wrote:
> > No, it is not good to accept it. Reindl Harald is being extremely rude,
> > he does the exact opposite than he wants other people to do.
>
> That usually appears to be the case.
>
> On most lists, members behaving badly are put on moderation or simply
> removed. Perhaps it is time for one of them; if this was one of the lists
> I
> host/maintain, Mr Harald would have been placed on moderation after a
> single
> warning.


I agree. I usually see a thread about compilation and think " oh god,reindl
is going to call the person stupid for not reading the error message".
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Nicolas George]

Reindl Harald (12019-04-11):
> frankly, my first response was "hell you have the instructions on bottom
> of every single message"

The first word was already too much.

>  and after that with sane people on this list
> *no single* repsonse would have been needed in that whole thread

And now you are calling people insane for an incident you caused and
worsened. You really do not realize how rude you are being.

Regards,

-- 
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Reindl Harald]

Am 11.04.19 um 19:03 schrieb Carl Zwanzig:
> On 4/11/2019 9:57 AM, Nicolas George wrote:
>> No, it is not good to accept it. Reindl Harald is being extremely rude,
>> he does the exact opposite than he wants other people to do.
> 
> That usually appears to be the case.
> 
> On most lists, members behaving badly are put on moderation or simply
> removed. Perhaps it is time for one of them; if this was one of the
> lists I host/maintain, Mr Harald would have been placed on moderation
> after a single warning.

frankly, my first response was "hell you have the instructions on bottom
of every single message" and after that with sane people on this list
*no single* repsonse would have been needed in that whole thread
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[FFmpeg-user] List members behaving badly

[Carl Zwanzig]

On 4/11/2019 9:57 AM, Nicolas George wrote:

No, it is not good to accept it. Reindl Harald is being extremely rude,
he does the exact opposite than he wants other people to do.


That usually appears to be the case.

On most lists, members behaving badly are put on moderation or simply 
removed. Perhaps it is time for one of them; if this was one of the lists I 
host/maintain, Mr Harald would have been placed on moderation after a single 
warning.


z!
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