Re: cattle feed bad for horses

2002-12-03 Thread Alison Bakken
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Hi Mark,

I know that cattle feed is bad for horses.  I don't know how much it
takes to affect them.  One of the problems that shows up is heart
problems.  One person I talked to said that they had a horse that had
small heart attacks, from cattle feed.  Goat feed can be just as bad. 
That's all I know about the subject.

Alison Bakken
In cold Alberta



RE: cattle feed bad for horses

2002-12-02 Thread Skeels, Mark A (MED)
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My question is, how much of this additive is dangerous. Is one bite bad,
or is it bad over the long term? 

Feeding every day for a couple years your horse will start to see
symptoms of eating this additive, or immediately?

It may be a case where a couple accidental feedings wouldn't cause a
problem, but prolonged feeding would.

Just wanted to know if it was a trainer that flies off the handle at
every little thing, or a trainer that
is justifiabe in her complaint because it would be a immediate danger.

Mark Skeels - Learning every day, and trying to be level headed in the
process.


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Subject: cattle feed bad for horses


This message is from: Janet McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The scenario where the horse feed was mixed right after the
cattle feed was a 'it
depends' kind of situation.   It could be that
the feed mill knew that it
did not, or that they ran some meal through the mixer to
clean it out,  in which case
they were OK to be mixing the horse feed.

Janet



cattle feed bad for horses

2002-11-29 Thread Janet McNally
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The scenario where the horse feed was mixed right after the
cattle feed was a 'it
depends' kind of situation.  Jessica is 100% correct that
Rumensin, a common additive
to the feed for growing cattle,  is very toxic to horses. 
If rumensin was used in
the previous batch, sufficient feed might be left in the
'boot' of the mixer to
contaminate the next batch and cause problems for horses. 
For this reason, feed
mills usually run similar types of feed together, -or- they
run some corn or bean
meal through to clean it out between batches.

Dairy cattle feed has to be free of most additives, because
antibiotics, or rumensin
will be detected in the milk, and then the whole tank of
milk will be thrown away.
So if the previous batch of cattle feed was for lactating
dairy cows, there would not
be any toxic residues left in the mixer.  Also not every
beef, pork, or lamb producer
uses antibiotics or additives for their growing animals (we
do not).

So whether or not she should be angry with the mill depends
upon wether or not the
previous batch had any additives in it.  It could be that
the feed mill knew that it
did not, or that they ran some meal through the mixer to
clean it out,  in which case
they were OK to be mixing the horse feed.

Janet



FW: [HORSE-SENSE:3996] cattle feed bad for horses?

2002-11-27 Thread Frederick J. Pack
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Cross posted from Horse Sense.  I just learned something important. 

Fred

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Fred and Lois Pack
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From: Erica
Subject: cattle feed bad for horses?

Dear Jessica, the other day I was at the feed mill with my trainer. She

has a hot temper and sometimes it can be embarrassing to be with her. 
Well, this was one of those days. She got totally furious with the mill

owner and yelled at him just because he ran a cattle feed mix through 
right before her horse feed mix.  She said she wouldn't touch the feed
and 
he should give it to the cattle guy and he had to mix hers all over
again. 
I think she was mad because the cattle owner's feed got mixed first and

she thinks horses are more important? I think they are too, but I don't

know about being rude and yelling at somebody for no reason.

Last night at supper I asked my Dad about it, he knows the guy who owns

the mill. He said he thought my trainer acted like a b***h and she
thinks 
she's better than the cattle owner but she isn't. He said she's just a 
typical horsey snob and it's the guy's feed mill and he can do his work
in 
whatever order he wants.

Okay, so then I went to the barn for my lesson and somebody was talking

about the feed thing and said it was a good thing my trainer was there
to 
see it, because the cattle feed would have poisoned the horse feed if
she 
let them mix her feed right after the cattle feed. Now I'm totally 
confused. Why would anybody put poison in cattle feed? I happen to know

that these are BEEF cattle for people to EAT, so there's no way anybody

would poison them. I don't get it. Please help me understand. I think 
adults are all crazy. Erica


Hi Erica - nope, sorry, not all adults are crazy. Some of us are, but
not 
all. Your trainer was right to be angry, and the person at your barn who

said that the feed would have poisoned the horses was right, too. Your 
trainer knew that, and that's why she was so angry. The feed mill owner 
SHOULD have known that, too.

Nobody is poisoning beef cattle, but cattle feed often has something
called 
Rumensin added to it. Beef cattle feed has lots of ingredients added
to 
it - the idea is to get as much weight on those cattle as possible
before 
they are sold for beef.

Now, here's why there was a problem at the feed mill: Rumensin may be
just 
fine for beef cattle, but it's TOXIC TO HORSES. It damages their heart 
muscles, and horses that eat feed containing Rumensin will die from
heart 
failure - or will be permanently and badly damaged.

Feed producers KNOW this - it's why you will never find Rumensin in any 
feed designed for horses. Feed mill owners and operators know this too, 
because they NEED to know it. At a feed mill, custom mixes of grains, 
additives, molasses, etc. are prepared to order, and since the mixes are

put through the same hoppers, it matters very much indeed which order is

processed first. If the horse feed is processed first, then the cattle
feed 
with Rumensin, the horses will be fine, and the cattle will be fine. If
the 
cattle feed is processed first, then the horse feed, some of the
Rumensin 
can end up in the horse feed - and then NOBODY will be fine, not the 
horses, not the horses' owners, not the trainer, and not the feed mill
owner.

So although your trainer was rude, she had every reason to be upset and 
angry. Tell your Dad the reasons for not mixing cattle feed additives
into 
horse feed - I bet he'll change his mind about your trainer's behaviour.

And tell every horse-owner you know not to feed their horses cattle
feed, 
not to give their horses handfuls of cattle feed as a treat, and not to 
turn their horses out with cattle for group feeding  - unless they KNOW 
exactly what is in the cattle feed, and are absolutely sure that there
is 
no Rumensin or any other ingredient that could hurt their horses.

Jessica



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