Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
I haven't seen any error messages. I hope that's not the case. Our corporate font is Open Sans, but the tech docs department needs a lot of glyphs that aren't included in it. Source Sans was the closest we could come, and I do not want to have to go looking for another font. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:42 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > I wonder if this is related to the font Source Sans Pro? > > Some of my PDF documents that have this font are giving errors in Acrobat > Pro - something to do with "incorrect width". I can look again if this > seems like a possibility. > > Z > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:58 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output > > Peter > > > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc. > > Is the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific > > glyph pairs? > > > The word "Pulse" is a text variable in the source, but once it gets to the > TOC it's plain text. I did try changing it in the source to text. The > pictures you see are the "after" of that try. > > The font is Source Sans Pro. The TOC paragraph tag does have word spacing > adjusted to ensure that I don't have text abutting the page number > (standard workaround, minimum 190%, maximum 210%, optimum 100%), but since > all the other tags have the exact same settings, why would those two, and > only those two, convert from FM to PDF so weirdly? I don't touch the letter > spacing or stretch settings on the font tab. There are no character tags > applied in either the source file or the generated TOC. > > Doug > > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF > > it again. Observe the results. > > > No joy on this. There appears to be something about the actual word > "Software" that the PDF engine is having a conniption about. The original > text has Software oddly space, and the inserted text right before it also > has "Software oddly spaced. In fact, the "e" from "Software" is overlapping > the "P" of the original "Pulse". > > Maybe it's time to reinstall Acrobat. Again. I have constant problems with > this program. Multiple Fatal DDE Errors, an inability to open PDFs by > double-clicking on them from File Explorer or the download bar at the > bottom of a browser, and on and on. An Adobe tech completely wiped every > Adobe program and reinstalled them, and I've even had my machine completely > reimaged and the problems continue. > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM Doug wrote: > > > Experiment by making changes to the source. > > > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF > > it again. Observe the results. If the new words display fine, delete > > everything after them and PDF it again. Observe the results. > > > > You might be able to fix it, even if you might never discover why. > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:50 PM Peter Gold > > > > wrote: > > > > > It's a no-brainer, Lin! It's "social distancing. :) > > > > > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a > > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a > > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, > > > etc. Is the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to > > > specific glyph pairs? > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:46 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > > > This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the > > > > TOC, > > they > > > > look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked > > > > the paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files > > > > and they > > are > > > > the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those > > > > two headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software. > > > > > > > > I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If > > anyone > > > > has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/weird-spacing-in-toc-after-c > > onversion-to-pdf/td-p/11427776?page=1 > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com
[Framers] Spellcheck fun ... was RE: Weird spacing in PDF output
Peter Gold said: > AHA! It's a secret plot of some kind. I remember there was a time long ago, > when FM's auto-correct would replace "InterLeaf" or some other proprietary > competitor, with "FrameMaker." Yeah. :) Back in 1988 when I began using FrameMaker for our engineering team documents, our Marketing folks used Interleaf. On Sun 3/50 workstations hooked into larger Sun servers for compute functions. They kept trying to get us to use Interleaf, and just could _not_ understand why we did not want software on our systems that "took over" the entire display and would not allow other window programs to be run ... we used Sunview (I think that was the name) at the time. That spell check change was fun! Z ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
I wonder if this is related to the font Source Sans Pro? Some of my PDF documents that have this font are giving errors in Acrobat Pro - something to do with "incorrect width". I can look again if this seems like a possibility. Z -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:58 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output Peter > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc. > Is the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific > glyph pairs? The word "Pulse" is a text variable in the source, but once it gets to the TOC it's plain text. I did try changing it in the source to text. The pictures you see are the "after" of that try. The font is Source Sans Pro. The TOC paragraph tag does have word spacing adjusted to ensure that I don't have text abutting the page number (standard workaround, minimum 190%, maximum 210%, optimum 100%), but since all the other tags have the exact same settings, why would those two, and only those two, convert from FM to PDF so weirdly? I don't touch the letter spacing or stretch settings on the font tab. There are no character tags applied in either the source file or the generated TOC. Doug > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF > it again. Observe the results. No joy on this. There appears to be something about the actual word "Software" that the PDF engine is having a conniption about. The original text has Software oddly space, and the inserted text right before it also has "Software oddly spaced. In fact, the "e" from "Software" is overlapping the "P" of the original "Pulse". Maybe it's time to reinstall Acrobat. Again. I have constant problems with this program. Multiple Fatal DDE Errors, an inability to open PDFs by double-clicking on them from File Explorer or the download bar at the bottom of a browser, and on and on. An Adobe tech completely wiped every Adobe program and reinstalled them, and I've even had my machine completely reimaged and the problems continue. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM Doug wrote: > Experiment by making changes to the source. > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF > it again. Observe the results. If the new words display fine, delete > everything after them and PDF it again. Observe the results. > > You might be able to fix it, even if you might never discover why. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:50 PM Peter Gold > > wrote: > > > It's a no-brainer, Lin! It's "social distancing. :) > > > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, > > etc. Is the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to > > specific glyph pairs? > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:46 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the > > > TOC, > they > > > look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked > > > the paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files > > > and they > are > > > the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those > > > two headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software. > > > > > > I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If > anyone > > > has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/weird-spacing-in-toc-after-c > onversion-to-pdf/td-p/11427776?page=1 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
