Easiest way to create a new book from a template (unstructured FM8)

[Peter Courlis]

Good Morning,

Does anyone know of a source of Book templates (free)
that a newbie might have access to, for study?

TIA

-peter


--- On Mon, 1/12/09, David Spreadbury  wrote:

> From: David Spreadbury 
> Subject: Re: Easiest way to create a new book from a template (unstructured 
> FM8)
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com, "Andersen, Verner Engell VEA" 
> 
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:49 AM
> Verner,
> You should be able to do a File > Save Book As, renaming
> the book file. This should rename your generated files to
> match the book filename.
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
>  wrote:
> 
> From: Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
> 
> Subject: Easiest way to create a new book from a template
> (unstructured FM8)
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:42 AM
> 
> My FM template contains all formats in the book. When I
> create a new
> book I take a chapter file at set it all up from there:
>  
> Add front page, toc, chapters, glossary index and rear
> page. All set up
> by using specific headings to call the correct master
> pages. I set up
> the page and chapter numbering from the book and set up the
> Table of
> Contents from the "Set up Table of Contents
> menu".
>  
> Now a Documentation group is going to use my template. They
> are all new
> to Framemaker. Can I set up a "dummy book" that
> they just copy to
> their
> working directory? I see that I can rename files from
> within the book
> and get links working but I cannot rename the book file
> itself.
>  
> Is there an easy way to get the book file renamed and get
> the generated
> files like TOC, Index and Glossary working without having
> to set them up
> from scratch again?
> 
> Do you have any other good ideas on how to optimize a
> template for group
> usage.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
> Verner Andersen
> Technical Writer
> 
> Radiometer Medical ApS
> Phone +45 3827 3612
> Fax +45 3827 2727
> verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
> 
> 
> 
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Easiest way to create a new book from a template (unstructuredFM8)

[Peter Courlis]

Thank you for the quick response.
(I have learned so much, as a result of
monitoring this List.)

- Peter


--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Phil Heron  wrote:

> From: Phil Heron 
> Subject: RE: Easiest way to create a new book from a template 
> (unstructuredFM8)
> To: "framers" 
> Cc: neat_gent at yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 7:31 AM
> Peter,
> 
> Try the Frame Template Packs.
> 
> Although designed for Frame 5.5, they can be used just as
> well with more up-to-date versions of FrameMaker.
> 
> You can get the template packs from:
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/
> 
> Phil Heron
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Courlis
> Sent: 12 January 2009 12:29
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Andersen, Verner Engell
> VEA; dspreadb at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Easiest way to create a new book from a
> template (unstructured FM8)
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> Does anyone know of a source of Book templates (free)
> that a newbie might have access to, for study?
> 
> TIA
> 
> -peter
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, David Spreadbury
>  wrote:
> 
> > From: David Spreadbury 
> > Subject: Re: Easiest way to create a new book from a
> template (unstructured FM8)
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com, "Andersen,
> Verner Engell VEA"
> 
> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:49 AM
> > Verner,
> > You should be able to do a File > Save Book As,
> renaming
> > the book file. This should rename your generated files
> to
> > match the book filename.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
> >  wrote:
> >
> > From: Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
> > 
> > Subject: Easiest way to create a new book from a
> template
> > (unstructured FM8)
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:42 AM
> >
> > My FM template contains all formats in the book. When
> I
> > create a new
> > book I take a chapter file at set it all up from
> there:
> >
> > Add front page, toc, chapters, glossary index and rear
> > page. All set up
> > by using specific headings to call the correct master
> > pages. I set up
> > the page and chapter numbering from the book and set
> up the
> > Table of
> > Contents from the "Set up Table of Contents
> > menu".
> >
> > Now a Documentation group is going to use my template.
> They
> > are all new
> > to Framemaker. Can I set up a "dummy book"
> that
> > they just copy to
> > their
> > working directory? I see that I can rename files from
> > within the book
> > and get links working but I cannot rename the book
> file
> > itself.
> >
> > Is there an easy way to get the book file renamed and
> get
> > the generated
> > files like TOC, Index and Glossary working without
> having
> > to set them up
> > from scratch again?
> >
> > Do you have any other good ideas on how to optimize a
> > template for group
> > usage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
> > Verner Andersen
> > Technical Writer
> >
> > Radiometer Medical ApS
> > Phone +45 3827 3612
> > Fax +45 3827 2727
> > verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
> >
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Radiometer Medical ApS
> > Akandevej 21
> > 2700 Bronshoj
> > Denmark
> > Phone: +45 38 27 38 27
> > CVR: 27 50 91 85
> >
> >
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Off List

[Peter Courlis]

Howard said: "let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker"

Gosh, I like that!

-pc


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> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 9:36 AM
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> evaluating its use.?I have subscribed to other lists and
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> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the
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> or anti-green. The questionnaire about printing user manuals
> itself promoted?neither agenda, but (1) it has promoted a
> good deal of controversial responses on both sides of the
> green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker issue.
> 
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the
> FrameMaker list, let's make sure it deals with the use
> of FrameMaker and not with personal issues.
> 
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Using Framers to network for job-hunting?

[Peter Courlis]

Framers

Seems like it is an appropriate time for a SpinOff [JOBS] list...
This economic storm is going to be with us awhile, therefore,
I suggest we'll share a lot of interest in a Spin Off List...

peter


--- On Fri, 3/20/09, Art Campbell  wrote:

> From: Art Campbell 
> Subject: Re: Using Framers to network for job-hunting?
> To: "Framers" 
> Cc: vallipow at aol.com, "John Sgammato" 
> Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:28 AM
> I agree that it's an appropriate topic, but I'd
> encourage people to
> use [OT] or [JOB] prefixes in the subject line. And I'd
> also draw the
> line at posting if you're available rather than
> offering a job,  to
> cut down on the volume of posts, but that's just me.
> 
> We'll see if the list owners/moderator is paying
> attention... Job
> postings are prohibited on the TWRL list that this company
> also owns
> and operates, unless you provide some cash for an ad.
> 
> Cheers,
> Art
> 
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>art.campbell at gmail.com
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>
>DoD 358
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:08 AM, mulholland4
>  wrote:
> > Hello John and Valerie,
> > Yes, I think this an appropriate place given the
> exceptional economic
> > circumstances. While we don't want this forum to
> become a job site, it is
> > perhaps the only common venue many of us have to
> discuss our Frame related
> > issues, especially for lone writers. So any useful
> links or information
> > regarding Framemaker and related writing jobs will be
> appreciated by many.
> > ?Good topic Valerie, thanks for bringing it up.
> > Mulholland
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:06 AM, John Sgammato
> wrote:
> >
> >> IMO it is perfectly appropriate. FrameMaker is
> often a requirement for a
> >> good job, and a job that does not require
> FrameMaker may be a really bad fit
> >> for a writer who has used FrameMaker for a long
> time.
> >> I Replied to All because I think this is a good
> subject to discuss if
> >> anyone feels differently.
> >>
> >> john
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on
> behalf of Valerie Lipow
> >> Sent: Fri 3/20/2009 1:02 AM
> >> To: Framers
> >> Subject: Using Framers to network for job-hunting?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't know if this is appropriate or
> effective. Would anyone care to
> >> calibrate me offline?
> >>
> >> --
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Frame 8 - unicode support

[Peter Courlis]

Hello

I am sure that this question has been "kneaded" 100 times, on this list, 
but I've missed it...

Is there a S/W application or DTP S/W that is used for 
Arabic, Farsi (left to right) languages in popular use, today?

thanks

peter

Dov Isaacs  wrote: Absolutely NOT!

FrameMaker does NOT support right-to-left languages
such as Hebrew, Arabic, and Farsi. You can type the
Unicode characters, but they will appear left-to-right
and the various language rules (context sensitive rules,
ligatures, etc.) are not obeyed.

 - Dov

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[mailto:framers-
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: framers list
> Subject: Frame 8 - unicode support
> 
> Does anyone know, does Frame 8's unicode support mean that it will now
support languages like Persian
> and Dari?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Paul
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Frame 8 - unicode support

[Peter Courlis]

Duh?, Sorry, meant "right to left"   

-pc

Peter Courlis  wrote: Hello

I am sure that this question has been "kneaded" 100 times, on this list, 
but I've missed it...

Is there a S/W application or DTP S/W that is used for 
Arabic, Farsi (left to right) languages in popular use, today?

thanks

peter

Dov Isaacs  wrote: Absolutely NOT!

FrameMaker does NOT support right-to-left languages
such as Hebrew, Arabic, and Farsi. You can type the
Unicode characters, but they will appear left-to-right
and the various language rules (context sensitive rules,
ligatures, etc.) are not obeyed.

 - Dov

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[mailto:framers-
> bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
obair81 at comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: framers list
> Subject: Frame 8 - unicode support
> 
> Does anyone know, does Frame 8's unicode support mean that it will now
support languages like Persian
> and Dari?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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TW hiring qualifications was: RE: Entry Level Technical Writer - Contract - Moorpark, CA

[Peter Courlis]

I like these views on qualifications. Very revealing,
however, I am convinced that to do or accomplish
anything (task or objective) in life, there is but one 
key word and that is: motivation.

Do you, or more correctly how do you assess
the motivation of the candidate?

Thanks for comments

peter

Rene Stephenson  wrote: Those are good points. 
  Rene

Diane Gaskill  wrote:
  Rene, All,

Be careful about rejecting applicants without a degree, and don't count on
an applicant having a degree being qualified for the job.

As a Tech Pubs Manager for 10 years, I disqualified several people with MAs
and even PhDs because they had little or no technical experience. And I
hired more than one writer with no degree but had a great deal of tehnical
experience and writing talent as well. I would strongly encourage you to
look at each applicant individually and consider equivalent experience when
screening and hiring writers.

I suggest that you consider other degrees besides English as well. A degree
in English does not by itself qualify anyone to be a TECHNICAL writer. I'd
personally rather hire someone with a degree in engineering or computer
science and who is a good writer. But people with those degrees are usually
sw developers or designers, not writers.

Diane Gaskill
San Jose, CA

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Lise Bible
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:25 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Entry Level Technical Writer - Contract - Moorpark, CA


Well, I guess I can kind of see both sides. I've been a tech writer at
my company for a year and a half, and it is frustrating when others
assume that if you can type and spell
(or *not* spell..."hey, that's what spell-check is for, right?") then
you're fully qualified to be a tech writer.

But it is hard to break out of the "admin" mold. I don't have a degree
in English, but I have a BA in Psychology. I majored in Psych because
I thought the classes were really quite interesting, not having a
specific career goal in mind. After college, I started temping, and
ended up in an admin/customer service role at a manufacturing company.
Among other things, I wrote work instructions and the like for my
department, learned PageMaker and became an expert at Word. Two
acquisitions, two office moves and 2 years later, the tech writer
position here opened up, and I applied.

I think my former boss went to bat for me, as they moved the position
out of the marketing department and into the Engineering Services
department (where I was already), and here I am. I've since taken
classes in Frame and a Tech Writing course through University of IL at
Chicago, and I find I have an affinity for the job.

Moral of my story, I guess, is that it's not a bad thing to think
outside the box, hiring-wise, but yes, it is hard to effectively weed
out the unqualified while finding the right person for the job.

-Lise

On 5/15/07, Rene Stephenson wrote:
> I have had secretaries apply for tech writer openings in my group.
Internal candidates always get phone screening, so I'd have to call them. I
always asked what they felt were their qualifications, and they all
responded that they had "good English" and were experts with MS Word. They
wrote lots of corresondence and updated their draft letters with the "edits"
from their bosses, so they "knew" how to handle document review. We had to
start posting BA or higher in English or directly relevant field as a
minimal requirement with no "equivalency" allowed.
>
> Rene
>
>
> Keith Smyth wrote:
> As in "So easy a Caveman could do it"?
>
> I am sure all of us have had the experience of someone totally clueless
> thinking all we do is type. Had a gal at one of our square dances from
> our church in 1983 tell me that while she is a store clerk, she is going
to
> become a tech writer, "because if you can do it, anyone can do it".
>
> And she went to an interview. Never heard from her again.
>
>
> >You think that's insulting? When we had a req open for another tech
> >writer in January, we had people from our shipping department and the
> >warehouse coming to us and asking us if they could apply for the job. As
> >if Tech Writing was so easy, someone with shipping or warehouse
> >experience could do it.
> >
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> > -Gillian
>
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Cyrillic spam anyone?

[Peter Courlis]

Don said:
>you'd think they would have more of a targeted marketing strategy.;)

You use too much Logic (?)

-pc

Don Laux  wrote: Is anyone else on the list 
receiving lots of spam that appears to be Russian
or some other Cyrillic language? It was amusing and somewhat interesting
when it was just one or two, but by now it's probably somewhere north of 100
per day.

My online office activities are fairly limited. No one else in my office is
getting the Cyrillic spam. Other than the Framers list, I can't think of how
I could possibly be the lucky recipient of so many spams that I don't
understand.

Not only is it getting annoying, but in this day and age you'd think they
would have more of a targeted marketing strategy.;)

-Don


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Newbie Question, Book Template

[Peter Courlis]

Book Template (basic)

[Peter Courlis]

Test

[Peter Courlis]

Test, please excuse intrusion...
-pc

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> Subject: RE: Newbie Question, Book Template
> To: neat_gent at yahoo.com
> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2008, 2:20 AM
> Well, all I can tell you at thsi point is that your
> attempted re-send with
> the Subject line "Book Template (basic)" also
> showed up on the list as 
> an empty message. About a half dozen list members have had
> the 
> problem and all were apparently able to resolve it by
> setting their 
> client for text-only messages. -FR
> 
> 
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:20:31 -0700From:
> neat_gent at yahoo.comSubject: RE: Newbie Question, Book
> TemplateTo: docudoc at hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> I checked the Yahoo Mail Handler and "text only"
> is checked as suggested...Haven't experienced this
> before ???-pc--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Fred Ridder
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What version of Frame to Get Started ?

[Peter Courlis]

Good Morning,

I want to learn more about Framemaker,
I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but 
need more experience...

The prices of the latest version scare me, unless
I had a contract or revenue input from writing...

Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality,
what would be a next step?
Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try
to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price?

On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages
available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0
(or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level?

The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" 
has stirred my curiosity,  therefore I have found a copy 
of that text to read and review...

Any comments appreciated
A (latent) newbie Writer.

-pc

What version of Frame to Get Started ?

[Peter Courlis]

Good Afternoon,

Dov Isaacs said (in reference to Framemaker): 
"what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or 
stolen goods."

Gosh, I am happy that you told me that.
I have seen Framemaker listed on EBay that stipulates
"installed on one machine, only" and other variants of this
statement.

So I did wonder about that (registration and installation) 
and said to myself:
"Well how would you know?"

So unless that it was stated that "it is new" or Shrink-wrapped,
and that "it is returnable" I do not even consider reading more...
I recently saw a Ver 7.2 (on EBay) with an attractive price,
that I got excited about, until I read down into the Listing and it said 
"Absolutely No Returns"...
So I said: "I don't think so !!!"

Regards

Peter


--- On Thu, 5/15/08, Dov Isaacs  wrote:

> From: Dov Isaacs 
> Subject: RE: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
> To: "neat_gent at yahoo.com" , "framers at 
> lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Thursday, May 15, 2008, 6:04 PM
> Please be careful wrt/ EBay software "purchases" -
> a large percentage
> of what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen
> goods. Pirated
> includes simply copying disks and giving you the serial
> number as well
> as massive CD duplication efforts. In some cases what is
> being "sold"
> is a copy of a package that already has been upgraded and
> not eligible
> to be legally transferred to someone else. Before bidding
> on such an
> item, get proof that it is indeed a legal copy that can be
> legally
> transferred. Such information could be obtained from Adobe
> Customer
> Support given a name and serial number.
> 
> - Dov
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter Courlis
> > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:54 AM
> >
> > Good Morning,
> >
> > I want to learn more about Framemaker,
> > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but
> > need more experience...
> >
> > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless
> > I had a contract or revenue input from writing...
> >
> > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality,
> > what would be a next step?
> > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try
> > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price?
> >
> > On occasion, I find late versions of
> "Upgrade" packages
> > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0
> > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current
> level?
> >
> > The recent List discussion on Jahred's
> "Beyond the Basics"
> > has stirred my curiosity,  therefore I have found a
> copy
> > of that text to read and review...
> >
> > Any comments appreciated
> > A (latent) newbie Writer.
> >
> > -pc

Minor typos and the QA guy/scrummaster

[Peter Courlis]

Hello
Wonderful stimulating discussion on "Typos" and handling "PDF's" .

Be sure to send a Link, to the Scrum Master, for Framers at 
lists.frameusers.com ...
For he is about to learn some new things ...

A Nuebie




 From: Mike Wickham 
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Minor typos and the QA guy/scrummaster


> He wants a solution that bypasses the need for FrameMaker, and has read an 
> article that says Word 2013 will allow editing of PDFs in native format. He 
> wants the developers to be able to do this to my docs.
>

Ignoring the fact that Microsoft is famous for talking about
  features in future products that never actually make it into the
  release, or that possible release dates are rarely met, doesn't
  your QA guy realize that PDFs don't store information the same way
  as normal documents? They don't necessarily store paragraphs as
  paragraphs or even store words as words-- but may store them as
  separate groupings of letters. And elements on the PDF page aren't 
necessarily generated in the order you expect. (See page 25 of the PDF at this 
link: 
http://www.planetpdf.com/planetpdf/pdfs/pdf2k/02E/gstaas_howpdfworks.pdf.) 
(I've seen a better explanation of this somewhere, but couldn't find it.)

So any program that reads a PDF takes its best guess in
  reconstituting text back into words and paragraphs. In other
  words, what you see in the PDF may not be what you get in the
  converted Word doc, nor in the regenerated PDF.? I found this
  description of the Word 2013 PDF editing feature to back that up:


With Word 2013, you can convert a PDF document into a Word document and edit 
the content. 
To convert a PDF, you open it like you would any other document.
1. Click File > Open > Browse. 
2. Find the PDF and click Open.
The converted document might not have a perfect page to page correspondence 
with the original. The conversion works best with mostly textual documents.


Notice that last part. "The converted document might not have a
perfect page to page correspondence with the original. The
conversion works best with mostly textual documents." In other
words, prepare for problems. Expect to lose your previous
formatting. Unless you are editing simple business letters or
novels, problems are pretty much guaranteed. (Here's the link: 
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/.)

PDFs are meant to be final output only. To fix typos in a PDF, the standard 
procedure is to fix the source file and regenerate a corrected PDF. (If you 
don't fix the source, the typo just reappears the next time an updated PDF is 
generated.)

Mike Wickham


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Buying an old copy of FrameMaker

[Peter Courlis]

Shelly Schneider is (potentially) looking for a copy of Frame Maker 8.2.
Which brings to mind an interesting question.
Does anyone know of the distribution of F M'er (versions) in use?
That is, some earlier versions of F M'er are still in use in a production 
environment
and too what extent are these earlier versions used (???)

Anyone have a "best guess" or some data ?

T I A

peter





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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 10:21 PM
Subject: Buying an old copy of FrameMaker


An additional contractor has been brought on by my company. If I can find a 
low-price copy of FrameMaker, perhaps she won?t end up moving her docs to Word 
(shudder). I know folks on this list swear by FrameMaker 8. FrameMaker 9 was a 
bug-fest. I doubt I?ll find many people offering FrameMaker 10. I've had no 
luck on eBay . I?d love to find a copy of FrameMaker 8 ?with a transferable 
license (was it 8.2 everyone loved?). Does anybody have any thoughts or caveats 
on how to go about this?? Thanks! 
Shelly Schneider
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Buying an old copy of FrameMaker

[Peter Courlis]

David said: "that's why I was off-list for almost six years: working long-term
for a client that's on DITA and uses a seriously robust editor.

Please tell me What Editor you were using for DITA ?
(Maybe I missed the Punch Line ??? )

Peter

--- On Tue, 10/2/12, David Artman  wrote:

From: David Artman 
Subject: RE: Buying an old copy of FrameMaker
To: "Jeremy H. Griffith" , "framers at 
lists.frameusers.com" 
Cc: shelly at softest.com
Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 2:45 PM

>  Original Message 
> From: "Jeremy H. Griffith" 
> I did think 8 was an improvement, but the road
> after that turned so sharply downhill it resembled
> falling off a cliff... IMNSHO.? I still use 8;
> we have the later ones for testing with Mif2Go,
> but do not use them for any other purpose.

And THAT is perhaps the most damning assessment I could read, of
post-FM8. Wow...

As much as I love the old darling... I don't think that I'm going to be
using it after the next year or so (barring certain types of clients).
It's got too far to go to even catch up with current, top-notch XML
editor standards; and it doesn't seem to be moving the bar very far for
multiple modern output formats.

(FWIW, that's why I was off-list for almost six years: working long-term
for a client that's on DITA and uses a seriously robust editor.)
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Autonumber chapters in Frammaker 5.5 ...

[Peter Courlis]

Need help in getting autonumbering to work...

I am using Framemaker 5.5.

Have "bookfile" with several chapters in this bookfile.
Each chapter (obviously) is a separate file (dot fm).
Each chapter file start on Right Master page.
Each Chapter has Header such as 
  Introduction  Chapter 1
Font->Paragraphs->Designer
Paragraph Tag: chapter_title
Autonumber format (box): checked
entered:  "C:   Chapter: "
clk Apply button
clk Update All button
Shift-> Save all files 

Can not autonumber Chapter Numbers.
Performed above with Chapter 1 file open and cursor
inserted at chapter heading...

Obvious question:
How do I get Chapters to autonumber?
(Files or chapters auto number for pagination OK (???)

thanks in advance ...

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Help, Autonumber chapters in Frammaker 5.5 ...

[Peter Courlis]

Obvious question:
How do I get Chapters to autonumber?
(Files or chapters auto number for pagination OK (???)

As one person indicated:
Format->Document->Numbering
and Numbering Dialog box comes up...
But this Dialog Box only effects Page Numbering,
there is nothing there for Chapter Numbering.

Select Paragraph Designer->Numbering Tab

allows setting of Chapter Title (and other defined headers)
via drop down list box.
So selecting Chapter, allows one to add building blocks
such as  to Chapter title formating to increment 
Chapter title (in Book file)...

Michael Lewis  wrote: Peter Courlis:

> Need help in getting autonumbering to work...
>
> I am using Framemaker 5.5.

Are you setting the numbering properties for each chapter file? You can do
this at book level, by clicking on the filename then going to Format ->
Document -> Numbering. Or you can open the chapter file, go to the same spot
to set the numbering properties, then set the book-level properties as "Read
from File". In either case, all chapters except the first need "Continue
from previous file".

What I can't remember is whether 5.5 has a "Chapter" tab in the Numbering
dialog, or whether it's all done from the "Paragraph" tab.

Grope around in that general direction, and you should find what you need.


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Framemaker Up Grade to 7.1

[Peter Courlis]

Framers,

Frequently, I find on EBay, an upgrade software package
that will allow upgrading FM'er to vers. 7.1...
However, I have not been able to determine what 
"basic version" this upgrade applies to...
For example, will the FM'er Upgrade 7.1 bring a
basic version 6.0, up to 7.1?
Or stretching the point, will that vers. 7.1 Upgrade software
bring FM'er vers. 5.5 up to the 7.1 level?

Thanks for any comments...

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Framemaker Training ?

[Peter Courlis]

Good Morning,

  I am looking for a public class or On-Line Class
  on Framemaker...

  Location nearest So NH or Northern Mass.

  Have pen, will travel ...

  -pc


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Dual Monitor(s) ??s

[Peter Courlis]

When using dual Monitors, what video card do you use?

  -pc

Joe Malin  wrote:  A slight hijack: for people who are 
using dual monitors, what 
configuration do you use? Here at work, we have people using dual LCD 
displays. I see the following configurations in use:

* Horizontal side-by-side, most often "tilted back" (top back,
  bottom up) but sometimes also straight up and down. This is what I
  use.
* Vertical side-by-side. A LCD monitor is easy to rotate, of course.
  These are most often straight up and down. I tried it but it felt
  cramped.
* Horizontal /one above the other/. I kid you not. I usually see
  this configuration with the upper monitor tilted /forward/ (top
  forward, bottom back) and the lower monitor tilted opposite. The
  configuration has a very futuristic/spaceship look.

I have seen a few quad monitor setups, which are most likely from 
multiple machines.

In my current configuration, I devote the left-hand panel to all my 
normal work, and use the right-hand panel exclusively for e-mail. I 
think that the biggest hurdle to overcome is switching my mindset. I am 
just not used to having this much screen space, so I do things in an 
old-fashioned style. I often find myself switching between app windows 
rather than moving one off to the second display.

Joe

John Posada wrote:
> --- Richard Doll  wrote:
>
>   
>> As many of you have touted the advantages of dual monitors . . . My
>> ??s follow:
>> 
>
> Richard...you're thinking too much. :-)
>
> As a long-time user of multiple monitors, consider it one big
> desktop. Simply drag whatever application window you want to whatever
> screen you want. You'll be able to drag from the left monitor to the
> right monitor and vice versa. I'm continually moving things around.
>
> With the mouse, when you move it past the right boundary of the left
> monitor, it will appear on the right monitor.
>
> As long as you don't restart your machine with only one monitor, when
> you reboot, each application will (usually) reopen on the monitor
> where you left it before you shut down.
>
> John Posada
> Senior Technical Writer
>
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Basic (Silly) Questions ?

[Peter Courlis]

Someone asked me to review a transcript, 

except it is in an E Book file .

- Can one print (on paper) an Ebook via Framemaker or Windoze Word 

(on Win XP) ?
- Can the file be saved in a typical PDF Reader ?

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Basic (Silly) Questions ? (Answered)

[Peter Courlis]

Good Afternoon

I wish to Thank each one of you for the helpful comments and suggestions.
I learned a lot in the past few minutes.

I just absolutely love this Framers List and its Collaborative Spirit.

Peter




 From: Peter Courlis 
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: Basic (Silly) Questions ?



Someone asked me to review a transcript, 

except it is in an E Book file .

- Can one print (on paper) an Ebook via Framemaker or Windoze Word 

(on Win XP) ?
- Can the file be saved in a typical PDF Reader ?

Thanks in Advance

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Basic (Silly) Questions ?

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Someone asked me to review a transcript, 

except it is in an E Book file .

- Can one print (on paper) an Ebook via Framemaker or Windoze Word 

(on Win XP) ?
- Can the file be saved in a typical PDF Reader ?

Thanks in Advance

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Good Afternoon

I wish to Thank each one of you for the helpful comments and suggestions.
I learned a lot in the past few minutes.

I just absolutely love this Framers List and its Collaborative Spirit.

Peter




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To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: Basic (Silly) Questions ?
 


Someone asked me to review a transcript, 

except it is in an E Book file .

- Can one print (on paper) an Ebook via Framemaker or Windoze Word 

(on Win XP) ?
- Can the file be saved in a typical PDF Reader ?

Thanks in Advance

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Re: Minor typos and the QA guy/scrummaster

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Hello
Wonderful stimulating discussion on "Typos" and handling "PDF's" .

Be sure to send a Link, to the Scrum Master, for Framers@lists.frameusers.com 
...
For he is about to learn some new things ...

A Nuebie




 From: Mike Wickham 
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Minor typos and the QA guy/scrummaster
 

> He wants a solution that bypasses the need for FrameMaker, and has read an 
> article that says Word 2013 will allow editing of PDFs in native format. He 
> wants the developers to be able to do this to my docs.
>

Ignoring the fact that Microsoft is famous for talking about
  features in future products that never actually make it into the
  release, or that possible release dates are rarely met, doesn't
  your QA guy realize that PDFs don't store information the same way
  as normal documents? They don't necessarily store paragraphs as
  paragraphs or even store words as words-- but may store them as
  separate groupings of letters. And elements on the PDF page aren't 
necessarily generated in the order you expect. (See page 25 of the PDF at this 
link: 
http://www.planetpdf.com/planetpdf/pdfs/pdf2k/02E/gstaas_howpdfworks.pdf.) 
(I've seen a better explanation of this somewhere, but couldn't find it.)

So any program that reads a PDF takes its best guess in
  reconstituting text back into words and paragraphs. In other
  words, what you see in the PDF may not be what you get in the
  converted Word doc, nor in the regenerated PDF.  I found this
  description of the Word 2013 PDF editing feature to back that up:


With Word 2013, you can convert a PDF document into a Word document and edit 
the content. 
To convert a PDF, you open it like you would any other document.
1. Click File > Open > Browse. 
2. Find the PDF and click Open.
The converted document might not have a perfect page to page correspondence 
with the original. The conversion works best with mostly textual documents.


Notice that last part. "The converted document might not have a
perfect page to page correspondence with the original. The
conversion works best with mostly textual documents." In other
words, prepare for problems. Expect to lose your previous
formatting. Unless you are editing simple business letters or
novels, problems are pretty much guaranteed. (Here's the link: 
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/29/exclusive-microsoft-word-2013-to-support-built-in-pdf-editing/.)

PDFs are meant to be final output only. To fix typos in a PDF, the standard 
procedure is to fix the source file and regenerate a corrected PDF. (If you 
don't fix the source, the typo just reappears the next time an updated PDF is 
generated.)

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Re: Buying an old copy of FrameMaker

[Peter Courlis]

Shelly Schneider is (potentially) looking for a copy of Frame Maker 8.2.
Which brings to mind an interesting question.
Does anyone know of the distribution of F M'er (versions) in use?
That is, some earlier versions of F M'er are still in use in a production 
environment
and too what extent are these earlier versions used (???)

Anyone have a "best guess" or some data ?

T I A

peter





 From: Shelly Schneider 
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 10:21 PM
Subject: Buying an old copy of FrameMaker
 

An additional contractor has been brought on by my company. If I can find a 
low-price copy of FrameMaker, perhaps she won’t end up moving her docs to Word 
(shudder). I know folks on this list swear by FrameMaker 8. FrameMaker 9 was a 
bug-fest. I doubt I’ll find many people offering FrameMaker 10. I've had no 
luck on eBay . I’d love to find a copy of FrameMaker 8  with a transferable 
license (was it 8.2 everyone loved?). Does anybody have any thoughts or caveats 
on how to go about this?  Thanks! 
Shelly Schneider
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RE: Buying an old copy of FrameMaker

[Peter Courlis]

David said: "that's why I was off-list for almost six years: working long-term
for a client that's on DITA and uses a seriously robust editor.

Please tell me What Editor you were using for DITA ?
(Maybe I missed the Punch Line ??? )

Peter

--- On Tue, 10/2/12, David Artman  wrote:

From: David Artman 
Subject: RE: Buying an old copy of FrameMaker
To: "Jeremy H. Griffith" , "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 

Cc: she...@softest.com
Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 2:45 PM

>  Original Message 
> From: "Jeremy H. Griffith" 
> I did think 8 was an improvement, but the road
> after that turned so sharply downhill it resembled
> falling off a cliff... IMNSHO.  I still use 8;
> we have the later ones for testing with Mif2Go,
> but do not use them for any other purpose.

And THAT is perhaps the most damning assessment I could read, of
post-FM8. Wow...

As much as I love the old darling... I don't think that I'm going to be
using it after the next year or so (barring certain types of clients).
It's got too far to go to even catch up with current, top-notch XML
editor standards; and it doesn't seem to be moving the bar very far for
multiple modern output formats.

(FWIW, that's why I was off-list for almost six years: working long-term
for a client that's on DITA and uses a seriously robust editor.)
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Re: TW hiring qualifications was: RE: Entry Level Technical Writer - Contract - Moorpark, CA

[Peter Courlis]

I like these views on qualifications. Very revealing,
however, I am convinced that to do or accomplish
anything (task or objective) in life, there is but one 
key word and that is: motivation.

Do you, or more correctly how do you assess
the motivation of the candidate?

Thanks for comments

peter

Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Those are good points. 
  Rene

Diane Gaskill  wrote:
  Rene, All,

Be careful about rejecting applicants without a degree, and don't count on
an applicant having a degree being qualified for the job.

As a Tech Pubs Manager for 10 years, I disqualified several people with MAs
and even PhDs because they had little or no technical experience. And I
hired more than one writer with no degree but had a great deal of tehnical
experience and writing talent as well. I would strongly encourage you to
look at each applicant individually and consider equivalent experience when
screening and hiring writers.

I suggest that you consider other degrees besides English as well. A degree
in English does not by itself qualify anyone to be a TECHNICAL writer. I'd
personally rather hire someone with a degree in engineering or computer
science and who is a good writer. But people with those degrees are usually
sw developers or designers, not writers.

Diane Gaskill
San Jose, CA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:25 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Entry Level Technical Writer - Contract - Moorpark, CA


Well, I guess I can kind of see both sides. I've been a tech writer at
my company for a year and a half, and it is frustrating when others
assume that if you can type and spell
(or *not* spell..."hey, that's what spell-check is for, right?") then
you're fully qualified to be a tech writer.

But it is hard to break out of the "admin" mold. I don't have a degree
in English, but I have a BA in Psychology. I majored in Psych because
I thought the classes were really quite interesting, not having a
specific career goal in mind. After college, I started temping, and
ended up in an admin/customer service role at a manufacturing company.
Among other things, I wrote work instructions and the like for my
department, learned PageMaker and became an expert at Word. Two
acquisitions, two office moves and 2 years later, the tech writer
position here opened up, and I applied.

I think my former boss went to bat for me, as they moved the position
out of the marketing department and into the Engineering Services
department (where I was already), and here I am. I've since taken
classes in Frame and a Tech Writing course through University of IL at
Chicago, and I find I have an affinity for the job.

Moral of my story, I guess, is that it's not a bad thing to think
outside the box, hiring-wise, but yes, it is hard to effectively weed
out the unqualified while finding the right person for the job.

-Lise

On 5/15/07, Rene Stephenson wrote:
> I have had secretaries apply for tech writer openings in my group.
Internal candidates always get phone screening, so I'd have to call them. I
always asked what they felt were their qualifications, and they all
responded that they had "good English" and were experts with MS Word. They
wrote lots of corresondence and updated their draft letters with the "edits"
from their bosses, so they "knew" how to handle document review. We had to
start posting BA or higher in English or directly relevant field as a
minimal requirement with no "equivalency" allowed.
>
> Rene
>
>
> Keith Smyth wrote:
> As in "So easy a Caveman could do it"?
>
> I am sure all of us have had the experience of someone totally clueless
> thinking all we do is type. Had a gal at one of our square dances from
> our church in 1983 tell me that while she is a store clerk, she is going
to
> become a tech writer, "because if you can do it, anyone can do it".
>
> And she went to an interview. Never heard from her again.
>
>
> >You think that's insulting? When we had a req open for another tech
> >writer in January, we had people from our shipping department and the
> >warehouse coming to us and asking us if they could apply for the job. As
> >if Tech Writing was so easy, someone with shipping or warehouse
> >experience could do it.
> >
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> > -Gillian
>
> --
> Keith L. Smyth
> President
> Smyth Consulting
> -
> Religion was in charge during the dark ages.
> -
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RE: Frame 8 - unicode support

[Peter Courlis]

Duh?, Sorry, meant "right to left"   

-pc

Peter Courlis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello

I am sure that this question has been "kneaded" 100 times, on this list, 
but I've missed it...

Is there a S/W application or DTP S/W that is used for 
Arabic, Farsi (left to right) languages in popular use, today?

thanks

peter

Dov Isaacs  wrote: Absolutely NOT!

FrameMaker does NOT support right-to-left languages
such as Hebrew, Arabic, and Farsi. You can type the
Unicode characters, but they will appear left-to-right
and the various language rules (context sensitive rules,
ligatures, etc.) are not obeyed.

 - Dov

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> 
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RE: Frame 8 - unicode support

[Peter Courlis]

Hello

I am sure that this question has been "kneaded" 100 times, on this list, 
but I've missed it...

Is there a S/W application or DTP S/W that is used for 
Arabic, Farsi (left to right) languages in popular use, today?

thanks

peter

Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Absolutely NOT!

FrameMaker does NOT support right-to-left languages
such as Hebrew, Arabic, and Farsi. You can type the
Unicode characters, but they will appear left-to-right
and the various language rules (context sensitive rules,
ligatures, etc.) are not obeyed.

 - Dov

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> and Dari?
> 
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Re: Cyrillic spam anyone?

[Peter Courlis]

Don said:
>you'd think they would have more of a targeted marketing strategy.;)

You use too much Logic (?)

-pc

Don Laux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is anyone else on the list receiving lots 
of spam that appears to be Russian
or some other Cyrillic language? It was amusing and somewhat interesting
when it was just one or two, but by now it's probably somewhere north of 100
per day.

My online office activities are fairly limited. No one else in my office is
getting the Cyrillic spam. Other than the Framers list, I can't think of how
I could possibly be the lucky recipient of so many spams that I don't
understand.

Not only is it getting annoying, but in this day and age you'd think they
would have more of a targeted marketing strategy.;)

-Don


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Newbie Question, Book Template

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Book Template (basic)

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RE:Test

[Peter Courlis]

Test, please excuse intrusion...
-pc

--- On Sat, 5/10/08, Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Newbie Question, Book Template
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2008, 2:20 AM
> Well, all I can tell you at thsi point is that your
> attempted re-send with
> the Subject line "Book Template (basic)" also
> showed up on the list as 
> an empty message. About a half dozen list members have had
> the 
> problem and all were apparently able to resolve it by
> setting their 
> client for text-only messages. -FR
> 
> 
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:20:31 -0700From:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: Newbie Question, Book
> TemplateTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> 
> I checked the Yahoo Mail Handler and "text only"
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> before ???-pc--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Fred Ridder
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What version of Frame to Get Started ?

[Peter Courlis]

Good Morning,

I want to learn more about Framemaker,
I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but 
need more experience...

The prices of the latest version scare me, unless
I had a contract or revenue input from writing...

Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality,
what would be a next step?
Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try
to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price?

On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages
available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0
(or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level?

The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" 
has stirred my curiosity,  therefore I have found a copy 
of that text to read and review...

Any comments appreciated
A (latent) newbie Writer.

-pc


  
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RE: What version of Frame to Get Started ?

[Peter Courlis]

Good Afternoon,

Dov Isaacs said (in reference to Framemaker): 
"what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or 
stolen goods."

Gosh, I am happy that you told me that.
I have seen Framemaker listed on EBay that stipulates
"installed on one machine, only" and other variants of this
statement.

So I did wonder about that (registration and installation) 
and said to myself:
"Well how would you know?"

So unless that it was stated that "it is new" or Shrink-wrapped,
and that "it is returnable" I do not even consider reading more...
I recently saw a Ver 7.2 (on EBay) with an attractive price,
that I got excited about, until I read down into the Listing and it said 
"Absolutely No Returns"...
So I said: "I don't think so !!!"

Regards

Peter


--- On Thu, 5/15/08, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> 
> Date: Thursday, May 15, 2008, 6:04 PM
> Please be careful wrt/ EBay software "purchases" -
> a large percentage
> of what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen
> goods. Pirated
> includes simply copying disks and giving you the serial
> number as well
> as massive CD duplication efforts. In some cases what is
> being "sold"
> is a copy of a package that already has been upgraded and
> not eligible
> to be legally transferred to someone else. Before bidding
> on such an
> item, get proof that it is indeed a legal copy that can be
> legally
> transferred. Such information could be obtained from Adobe
> Customer
> Support given a name and serial number.
> 
> - Dov
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter Courlis
> > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:54 AM
> >
> > Good Morning,
> >
> > I want to learn more about Framemaker,
> > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but
> > need more experience...
> >
> > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless
> > I had a contract or revenue input from writing...
> >
> > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality,
> > what would be a next step?
> > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try
> > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price?
> >
> > On occasion, I find late versions of
> "Upgrade" packages
> > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0
> > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current
> level?
> >
> > The recent List discussion on Jahred's
> "Beyond the Basics"
> > has stirred my curiosity,  therefore I have found a
> copy
> > of that text to read and review...
> >
> > Any comments appreciated
> > A (latent) newbie Writer.
> >
> > -pc


  
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Re: Easiest way to create a new book from a template (unstructured FM8)

[Peter Courlis]

Good Morning,

Does anyone know of a source of Book templates (free)
that a newbie might have access to, for study?

TIA

-peter


--- On Mon, 1/12/09, David Spreadbury  wrote:

> From: David Spreadbury 
> Subject: Re: Easiest way to create a new book from a template (unstructured 
> FM8)
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com, "Andersen, Verner Engell VEA" 
> 
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:49 AM
> Verner,
> You should be able to do a File > Save Book As, renaming
> the book file. This should rename your generated files to
> match the book filename.
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
>  wrote:
> 
> From: Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
> 
> Subject: Easiest way to create a new book from a template
> (unstructured FM8)
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:42 AM
> 
> My FM template contains all formats in the book. When I
> create a new
> book I take a chapter file at set it all up from there:
>  
> Add front page, toc, chapters, glossary index and rear
> page. All set up
> by using specific headings to call the correct master
> pages. I set up
> the page and chapter numbering from the book and set up the
> Table of
> Contents from the "Set up Table of Contents
> menu".
>  
> Now a Documentation group is going to use my template. They
> are all new
> to Framemaker. Can I set up a "dummy book" that
> they just copy to
> their
> working directory? I see that I can rename files from
> within the book
> and get links working but I cannot rename the book file
> itself.
>  
> Is there an easy way to get the book file renamed and get
> the generated
> files like TOC, Index and Glossary working without having
> to set them up
> from scratch again?
> 
> Do you have any other good ideas on how to optimize a
> template for group
> usage.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
> Verner Andersen
> Technical Writer
> 
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> Fax +45 3827 2727
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RE: Easiest way to create a new book from a template (unstructuredFM8)

[Peter Courlis]

Thank you for the quick response.
(I have learned so much, as a result of
monitoring this List.)

- Peter


--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Phil Heron  wrote:

> From: Phil Heron 
> Subject: RE: Easiest way to create a new book from a template 
> (unstructuredFM8)
> To: "framers" 
> Cc: neat_g...@yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 7:31 AM
> Peter,
> 
> Try the Frame Template Packs.
> 
> Although designed for Frame 5.5, they can be used just as
> well with more up-to-date versions of FrameMaker.
> 
> You can get the template packs from:
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/
> 
> Phil Heron
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Courlis
> Sent: 12 January 2009 12:29
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Andersen, Verner Engell
> VEA; dspre...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Easiest way to create a new book from a
> template (unstructured FM8)
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> Does anyone know of a source of Book templates (free)
> that a newbie might have access to, for study?
> 
> TIA
> 
> -peter
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, David Spreadbury
>  wrote:
> 
> > From: David Spreadbury 
> > Subject: Re: Easiest way to create a new book from a
> template (unstructured FM8)
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com, "Andersen,
> Verner Engell VEA"
> 
> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:49 AM
> > Verner,
> > You should be able to do a File > Save Book As,
> renaming
> > the book file. This should rename your generated files
> to
> > match the book filename.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
> >  wrote:
> >
> > From: Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
> > 
> > Subject: Easiest way to create a new book from a
> template
> > (unstructured FM8)
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:42 AM
> >
> > My FM template contains all formats in the book. When
> I
> > create a new
> > book I take a chapter file at set it all up from
> there:
> >
> > Add front page, toc, chapters, glossary index and rear
> > page. All set up
> > by using specific headings to call the correct master
> > pages. I set up
> > the page and chapter numbering from the book and set
> up the
> > Table of
> > Contents from the "Set up Table of Contents
> > menu".
> >
> > Now a Documentation group is going to use my template.
> They
> > are all new
> > to Framemaker. Can I set up a "dummy book"
> that
> > they just copy to
> > their
> > working directory? I see that I can rename files from
> > within the book
> > and get links working but I cannot rename the book
> file
> > itself.
> >
> > Is there an easy way to get the book file renamed and
> get
> > the generated
> > files like TOC, Index and Glossary working without
> having
> > to set them up
> > from scratch again?
> >
> > Do you have any other good ideas on how to optimize a
> > template for group
> > usage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
> > Verner Andersen
> > Technical Writer
> >
> > Radiometer Medical ApS
> > Phone +45 3827 3612
> > Fax +45 3827 2727
> > verner.ander...@radiometer.dk
> >
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Radiometer Medical ApS
> > Akandevej 21
> > 2700 Bronshoj
> > Denmark
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> > CVR: 27 50 91 85
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Re: Off List

[Peter Courlis]

Howard said: "let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker"

Gosh, I like that!

-pc


--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Howard Rauch  wrote:

> From: Howard Rauch 
> Subject: Off List
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 9:36 AM
> One of the qualities of this list that I have always
> considered important was that it was devoted to the best
> ways for using FrameMaker whether for solving problems or
> evaluating its use. I have subscribed to other lists and
> discontinued them because so many of the participants were
> pushing their own personal agendas (I call them
> "whiners") as opposed to the purpose of the list.
> 
> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the
> green agenda as of late (myself included) whether pro-green
> or anti-green. The questionnaire about printing user manuals
> itself promoted neither agenda, but (1) it has promoted a
> good deal of controversial responses on both sides of the
> green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker issue.
> 
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the
> FrameMaker list, let's make sure it deals with the use
> of FrameMaker and not with personal issues.
> 
> Howard Rauch
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Re: Using Framers to network for job-hunting?

[Peter Courlis]

Framers

Seems like it is an appropriate time for a SpinOff [JOBS] list...
This economic storm is going to be with us awhile, therefore,
I suggest we'll share a lot of interest in a Spin Off List...

peter


--- On Fri, 3/20/09, Art Campbell  wrote:

> From: Art Campbell 
> Subject: Re: Using Framers to network for job-hunting?
> To: "Framers" 
> Cc: valli...@aol.com, "John Sgammato" 
> Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:28 AM
> I agree that it's an appropriate topic, but I'd
> encourage people to
> use [OT] or [JOB] prefixes in the subject line. And I'd
> also draw the
> line at posting if you're available rather than
> offering a job,  to
> cut down on the volume of posts, but that's just me.
> 
> We'll see if the list owners/moderator is paying
> attention... Job
> postings are prohibited on the TWRL list that this company
> also owns
> and operates, unless you provide some cash for an ad.
> 
> Cheers,
> Art
> 
> Art Campbell
>art.campb...@gmail.com
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>
>DoD 358
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:08 AM, mulholland4
>  wrote:
> > Hello John and Valerie,
> > Yes, I think this an appropriate place given the
> exceptional economic
> > circumstances. While we don't want this forum to
> become a job site, it is
> > perhaps the only common venue many of us have to
> discuss our Frame related
> > issues, especially for lone writers. So any useful
> links or information
> > regarding Framemaker and related writing jobs will be
> appreciated by many.
> >  Good topic Valerie, thanks for bringing it up.
> > Mulholland
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:06 AM, John Sgammato
> wrote:
> >
> >> IMO it is perfectly appropriate. FrameMaker is
> often a requirement for a
> >> good job, and a job that does not require
> FrameMaker may be a really bad fit
> >> for a writer who has used FrameMaker for a long
> time.
> >> I Replied to All because I think this is a good
> subject to discuss if
> >> anyone feels differently.
> >>
> >> john
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on
> behalf of Valerie Lipow
> >> Sent: Fri 3/20/2009 1:02 AM
> >> To: Framers
> >> Subject: Using Framers to network for job-hunting?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't know if this is appropriate or
> effective. Would anyone care to
> >> calibrate me offline?
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Autonumber chapters in Frammaker 5.5 ...

[Peter Courlis]

Need help in getting autonumbering to work...

I am using Framemaker 5.5.

Have "bookfile" with several chapters in this bookfile.
Each chapter (obviously) is a separate file (dot fm).
Each chapter file start on Right Master page.
Each Chapter has Header such as 
  Introduction  Chapter 1
Font->Paragraphs->Designer
Paragraph Tag: chapter_title
Autonumber format (box): checked
entered:  "C:   Chapter: "
clk Apply button
clk Update All button
Shift-> Save all files 

Can not autonumber Chapter Numbers.
Performed above with Chapter 1 file open and cursor
inserted at chapter heading...

Obvious question:
How do I get Chapters to autonumber?
(Files or chapters auto number for pagination OK (???)

thanks in advance ...

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RE: Help, Autonumber chapters in Frammaker 5.5 ...

[Peter Courlis]

Obvious question:
How do I get Chapters to autonumber?
(Files or chapters auto number for pagination OK (???)

As one person indicated:
Format->Document->Numbering
and Numbering Dialog box comes up...
But this Dialog Box only effects Page Numbering,
there is nothing there for Chapter Numbering.

Select Paragraph Designer->Numbering Tab

allows setting of Chapter Title (and other defined headers)
via drop down list box.
So selecting Chapter, allows one to add building blocks
such as  to Chapter title formating to increment 
Chapter title (in Book file)...

Michael Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Courlis:

> Need help in getting autonumbering to work...
>
> I am using Framemaker 5.5.

Are you setting the numbering properties for each chapter file? You can do
this at book level, by clicking on the filename then going to Format ->
Document -> Numbering. Or you can open the chapter file, go to the same spot
to set the numbering properties, then set the book-level properties as "Read
from File". In either case, all chapters except the first need "Continue
from previous file".

What I can't remember is whether 5.5 has a "Chapter" tab in the Numbering
dialog, or whether it's all done from the "Paragraph" tab.

Grope around in that general direction, and you should find what you need.


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Framemaker Up Grade to 7.1

[Peter Courlis]

Framers,

Frequently, I find on EBay, an upgrade software package
that will allow upgrading FM'er to vers. 7.1...
However, I have not been able to determine what 
"basic version" this upgrade applies to...
For example, will the FM'er Upgrade 7.1 bring a
basic version 6.0, up to 7.1?
Or stretching the point, will that vers. 7.1 Upgrade software
bring FM'er vers. 5.5 up to the 7.1 level?

Thanks for any comments...

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Framemaker Training ?

[Peter Courlis]

Good Morning,
   
  I am looking for a public class or On-Line Class
  on Framemaker...
   
  Location nearest So NH or Northern Mass.
   
  Have pen, will travel ...
   
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Re: Dual Monitor(s) ??s

[Peter Courlis]

When using dual Monitors, what video card do you use?
  
  -pc

Joe Malin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  A slight hijack: for people who are using 
dual monitors, what 
configuration do you use? Here at work, we have people using dual LCD 
displays. I see the following configurations in use:

* Horizontal side-by-side, most often "tilted back" (top back,
  bottom up) but sometimes also straight up and down. This is what I
  use.
* Vertical side-by-side. A LCD monitor is easy to rotate, of course.
  These are most often straight up and down. I tried it but it felt
  cramped.
* Horizontal /one above the other/. I kid you not. I usually see
  this configuration with the upper monitor tilted /forward/ (top
  forward, bottom back) and the lower monitor tilted opposite. The
  configuration has a very futuristic/spaceship look.

I have seen a few quad monitor setups, which are most likely from 
multiple machines.

In my current configuration, I devote the left-hand panel to all my 
normal work, and use the right-hand panel exclusively for e-mail. I 
think that the biggest hurdle to overcome is switching my mindset. I am 
just not used to having this much screen space, so I do things in an 
old-fashioned style. I often find myself switching between app windows 
rather than moving one off to the second display.

Joe

John Posada wrote:
> --- Richard Doll  wrote:
>
>   
>> As many of you have touted the advantages of dual monitors . . . My
>> ??s follow:
>> 
>
> Richard...you're thinking too much. :-)
>
> As a long-time user of multiple monitors, consider it one big
> desktop. Simply drag whatever application window you want to whatever
> screen you want. You'll be able to drag from the left monitor to the
> right monitor and vice versa. I'm continually moving things around.
>
> With the mouse, when you move it past the right boundary of the left
> monitor, it will appear on the right monitor.
>
> As long as you don't restart your machine with only one monitor, when
> you reboot, each application will (usually) reopen on the monitor
> where you left it before you shut down.
>
> John Posada
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