Re: RE(~): Acrobat X Pro settings

[Chris Coggins]

Hey Dov,
Were you able to examine the files I sent last week? I'm hoping you've got
a couple of ideas that may help me resolve the situation. Let me know, when
you get a chance.

Thanks again,
Chris


On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Chris Coggins  wrote:

> Thanks Dov. Here are the files using a blank page extracted from a full
> document that we're working on. All were saved using the save-as-pdf
> function. As you can see the outputs are vastly different on the two
> systems. I appreciate your help in this matter.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Please send the files. Extract once and do same annotation on both
>> systems and send me the resultant files using “save as PDF” *Shift+Ctrl+S
>> *, *not *regular “save” *Ctrl+S*!!
>>
>> - Dov
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> [image: Description: D:\Documents\Adobe Artwork\2012\Adobe
>> Products\E-mail Signature\adobe_logo_web.png]
>>
>> *Dov Isaacs*
>> Principal Scientist
>> Adobe Systems Incorporated
>>
>> +1 408.536.2896 (tel)
>> +1 408.242.5161 (cell)
>>
>> isa...@adobe.com
>>
>> 345 Park Avenue
>> San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA
>> http://www.adobe.com
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Feel free to print this e-mail
>> if your needs dictate hard copy.
>> There is no need to feel guilty about printing!
>> Paper is renewable and recyclable.*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
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RE(~): Acrobat X Pro settings

[Chris Coggins]

Hey Dov,
Were you able to examine the files I sent last week? I'm hoping you've got
a couple of ideas that may help me resolve the situation. Let me know, when
you get a chance.

Thanks again,
Chris


On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Chris Coggins  wrote:

> Thanks Dov. Here are the files using a blank page extracted from a full
> document that we're working on. All were saved using the save-as-pdf
> function. As you can see the outputs are vastly different on the two
> systems. I appreciate your help in this matter.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Please send the files. Extract once and do same annotation on both
>> systems and send me the resultant files using ?save as PDF? *Shift+Ctrl+S
>> *, *not *regular ?save? *Ctrl+S*!!
>>
>> - Dov
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> [image: Description: D:\Documents\Adobe Artwork\2012\Adobe
>> Products\E-mail Signature\adobe_logo_web.png]
>>
>> *Dov Isaacs*
>> Principal Scientist
>> Adobe Systems Incorporated
>>
>> +1 408.536.2896 (tel)
>> +1 408.242.5161 (cell)
>>
>> isaacs at adobe.com
>>
>> 345 Park Avenue
>> San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA
>> http://www.adobe.com
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Feel free to print this e-mail
>> if your needs dictate hard copy.
>> There is no need to feel guilty about printing!
>> Paper is renewable and recyclable.*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
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Re: Acrobat X Pro settings

[Chris Coggins]

Thanks Dov.
Can I send you three versions of a single PDF page so you can see the
differences in output on each computer? And perhaps advise how to obtain
similar output results from the optimal computer on the second computer?

The first will be an original, unmarked page extracted from a source
document.
The second will be the original page with one single markup from the
optimal computer with a nice tight filesize, and
the third will be the original page with one single markup from the problem
computer.

Each will be saved by simply clicking the "Save" icon.

If you prefer I can extract the page independently on each computer, or you
can provide a single-page source document on which I can annotate from each
computer.

Let me know,
Thanks,
Chris

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:

> Chris,
>
> ** **
>
> There is no simple *configuration file *for Acrobat that can be copied
> between systems or between releases of Acrobat on the same system.
>
> ** **
>
> Configuration settings and preferences for the most part are stored in
> various registry settings (Windows) and plists (MacOS) that are not
> documented for the public, can be very system specific, and are subject to
> change without any notice.
>
> ** **
>
> As far as I know, there are no configuration settings that control whether
> how a file that has “markups” (annotation comments?) will be saved.
>
> ** **
>
> When you are annotating a particular page of a PDF file, you are adding
> content to the page, albeit simply annotation content and Acrobat considers
> the annotated page as changed. If you simply *save* the document using *
> Ctrl+S*, the changed pages’ contents are *added *to the existing PDF file
> on disk and the page table is modified to reflect the new copies of the
> changed pages. The “old” pages remain on disk although the page table
> doesn’t point to them anymore. This method of saving the PDF file results
> in very fast updates and minimizes the chances of data loss when saving
> minimal changes to a large PDF file. However, the file size keeps on
> growing and noticeably so if your annotations are very simple or few, but
> the pages are very complex with large amounts of underlying content.
>
> ** **
>
> In lieu of *save* with *Ctrl+S*, if you use *save as* with *Shift+Ctrl+S*(
> *not* *reduced sized* or *optimized *options), the entire PDF will be
> rewritten and the old, obsolete versions of the pages you annotated will no
> longer occupy disk space. This should solve your problem.
>
> ** **
>
> (In other words, there was nothing in the configuration of your laptop
> versus desktop installations that caused the file size discrepancy, but
> either how you saved the PDF file on one system versus another or the
> original page sizes of the particular pages you annotated on one system
> versus another would cause the file size discrepancy.)
>
> ** **
>
> - Dov
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> [image: Description: Description: D:\Documents\Adobe Artwork\2012\Adobe
> Products\E-mail Signature\adobe_logo_web.png]
>
> *Dov Isaacs*
> Principal Scientist
> Adobe Systems Incorporated
>
> +1 408.536.2896 (tel)
> +1 408.242.5161 (cell)
>
> isa...@adobe.com
>
> 345 Park Avenue
> San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA
> http://www.adobe.com
>
>  
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> *Feel free to print this e-mail
> if your needs dictate hard copy.
> There is no need to feel guilty about printing!
> Paper is renewable and recyclable.*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Coggins
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:25 PM
> *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* OT: Acrobat X Pro settings
>
> ** **
>
> Would anyone happen to know how to copy the Acrobat X Pro settings from a
> pc to a laptop, all things being equal (same os, graphics display, etc)
>
> The problem prompting this request is that the newly installed Acrobat X
> Pro on the laptop does not save PDFs in the same way as the one on the pc.
> Specifically, when I open a pdf and add markups to it in the laptop
> version, the resulting saved file is huge. The same activity on the version
> installed on the pc does not  substantially increase the filesize.
>
> Filesizes are an issue when working over a crowded network and I need to
> find a way to make the marked-up pdfs much smaller without having to go
> through the addition step of saving-as reduced file size. I want to be able
> to just save the document in the same manner as was occurring on the pc.
>
> I also noticed a very similar question was posted at the adobe forums last
> summer and noone has replied to it. Hopefully someone here might know the
> answer to get the same behavior out of a new Acrobat X Pro install as was
> occurring on a different computer.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
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RE(~): Acrobat X Pro settings

[Dov Isaacs]

Chris,

Please send the files. Extract once and do same annotation on both systems and 
send me the resultant files using "save as PDF" Shift+Ctrl+S, not regular 
"save" Ctrl+S!!

- Dov

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Dov Isaacs
Principal Scientist
Adobe Systems Incorporated

+1 408.536.2896 (tel)
+1 408.242.5161 (cell)
isa...@adobe.com

345 Park Avenue
San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA
http://www.adobe.com







Feel free to print this e-mail
if your needs dictate hard copy.
There is no need to feel guilty about printing!
Paper is renewable and recyclable.

From: Chris Coggins [mailto:cacogg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:16 PM
To: Dov Isaacs
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Acrobat X Pro settings

Thanks Dov.
Can I send you three versions of a single PDF page so you can see the 
differences in output on each computer? And perhaps advise how to obtain 
similar output results from the optimal computer on the second computer?

The first will be an original, unmarked page extracted from a source document.
The second will be the original page with one single markup from the optimal 
computer with a nice tight filesize, and
the third will be the original page with one single markup from the problem 
computer.

Each will be saved by simply clicking the "Save" icon.

If you prefer I can extract the page independently on each computer, or you can 
provide a single-page source document on which I can annotate from each 
computer.

Let me know,
Thanks,
Chris
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Dov Isaacs 
mailto:isa...@adobe.com>> wrote:
Chris,
There is no simple configuration file for Acrobat that can be copied between 
systems or between releases of Acrobat on the same system.
Configuration settings and preferences for the most part are stored in various 
registry settings (Windows) and plists (MacOS) that are not documented for the 
public, can be very system specific, and are subject to change without any 
notice.
As far as I know, there are no configuration settings that control whether how 
a file that has "markups" (annotation comments?) will be saved.
When you are annotating a particular page of a PDF file, you are adding content 
to the page, albeit simply annotation content and Acrobat considers the 
annotated page as changed. If you simply save the document using Ctrl+S, the 
changed pages' contents are added to the existing PDF file on disk and the page 
table is modified to reflect the new copies of the changed pages. The "old" 
pages remain on disk although the page table doesn't point to them anymore. 
This method of saving the PDF file results in very fast updates and minimizes 
the chances of data loss when saving minimal changes to a large PDF file. 
However, the file size keeps on growing and noticeably so if your annotations 
are very simple or few, but the pages are very complex with large amounts of 
underlying content.
In lieu of save with Ctrl+S, if you use save as with Shift+Ctrl+S (not reduced 
sized or optimized options), the entire PDF will be rewritten and the old, 
obsolete versions of the pages you annotated will no longer occupy disk space. 
This should solve your problem.
(In other words, there was nothing in the configuration of your laptop versus 
desktop installations that caused the file size discrepancy, but either how you 
saved the PDF file on one system versus another or the original page sizes of 
the particular pages you annotated on one system versus another would cause the 
file size discrepancy.)
- Dov
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RE(~): Acrobat X Pro settings

[Dov Isaacs]

Chris,

Please send the files. Extract once and do same annotation on both systems and 
send me the resultant files using "save as PDF" Shift+Ctrl+S, not regular 
"save" Ctrl+S!!

- Dov

[cid:image001.png at 01CD8AB7.52E351D0]

Dov Isaacs
Principal Scientist
Adobe Systems Incorporated

+1 408.536.2896 (tel)
+1 408.242.5161 (cell)
isaacs at adobe.com

345 Park Avenue
San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA
http://www.adobe.com







Feel free to print this e-mail
if your needs dictate hard copy.
There is no need to feel guilty about printing!
Paper is renewable and recyclable.

From: Chris Coggins [mailto:cacogg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:16 PM
To: Dov Isaacs
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Acrobat X Pro settings

Thanks Dov.
Can I send you three versions of a single PDF page so you can see the 
differences in output on each computer? And perhaps advise how to obtain 
similar output results from the optimal computer on the second computer?

The first will be an original, unmarked page extracted from a source document.
The second will be the original page with one single markup from the optimal 
computer with a nice tight filesize, and
the third will be the original page with one single markup from the problem 
computer.

Each will be saved by simply clicking the "Save" icon.

If you prefer I can extract the page independently on each computer, or you can 
provide a single-page source document on which I can annotate from each 
computer.

Let me know,
Thanks,
Chris
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Dov Isaacs mailto:isaacs 
at adobe.com>> wrote:
Chris,
There is no simple configuration file for Acrobat that can be copied between 
systems or between releases of Acrobat on the same system.
Configuration settings and preferences for the most part are stored in various 
registry settings (Windows) and plists (MacOS) that are not documented for the 
public, can be very system specific, and are subject to change without any 
notice.
As far as I know, there are no configuration settings that control whether how 
a file that has "markups" (annotation comments?) will be saved.
When you are annotating a particular page of a PDF file, you are adding content 
to the page, albeit simply annotation content and Acrobat considers the 
annotated page as changed. If you simply save the document using Ctrl+S, the 
changed pages' contents are added to the existing PDF file on disk and the page 
table is modified to reflect the new copies of the changed pages. The "old" 
pages remain on disk although the page table doesn't point to them anymore. 
This method of saving the PDF file results in very fast updates and minimizes 
the chances of data loss when saving minimal changes to a large PDF file. 
However, the file size keeps on growing and noticeably so if your annotations 
are very simple or few, but the pages are very complex with large amounts of 
underlying content.
In lieu of save with Ctrl+S, if you use save as with Shift+Ctrl+S (not reduced 
sized or optimized options), the entire PDF will be rewritten and the old, 
obsolete versions of the pages you annotated will no longer occupy disk space. 
This should solve your problem.
(In other words, there was nothing in the configuration of your laptop versus 
desktop installations that caused the file size discrepancy, but either how you 
saved the PDF file on one system versus another or the original page sizes of 
the particular pages you annotated on one system versus another would cause the 
file size discrepancy.)
- Dov
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RE: Acrobat X Pro settings

[Dov Isaacs]

Chris,

There is no simple configuration file for Acrobat that can be copied between 
systems or between releases of Acrobat on the same system.

Configuration settings and preferences for the most part are stored in various 
registry settings (Windows) and plists (MacOS) that are not documented for the 
public, can be very system specific, and are subject to change without any 
notice.

As far as I know, there are no configuration settings that control whether how 
a file that has "markups" (annotation comments?) will be saved.

When you are annotating a particular page of a PDF file, you are adding content 
to the page, albeit simply annotation content and Acrobat considers the 
annotated page as changed. If you simply save the document using Ctrl+S, the 
changed pages' contents are added to the existing PDF file on disk and the page 
table is modified to reflect the new copies of the changed pages. The "old" 
pages remain on disk although the page table doesn't point to them anymore. 
This method of saving the PDF file results in very fast updates and minimizes 
the chances of data loss when saving minimal changes to a large PDF file. 
However, the file size keeps on growing and noticeably so if your annotations 
are very simple or few, but the pages are very complex with large amounts of 
underlying content.

In lieu of save with Ctrl+S, if you use save as with Shift+Ctrl+S (not reduced 
sized or optimized options), the entire PDF will be rewritten and the old, 
obsolete versions of the pages you annotated will no longer occupy disk space. 
This should solve your problem.

(In other words, there was nothing in the configuration of your laptop versus 
desktop installations that caused the file size discrepancy, but either how you 
saved the PDF file on one system versus another or the original page sizes of 
the particular pages you annotated on one system versus another would cause the 
file size discrepancy.)

- Dov


[cid:image001.png@01CD8A1E.F9E83890]

Dov Isaacs
Principal Scientist
Adobe Systems Incorporated

+1 408.536.2896 (tel)
+1 408.242.5161 (cell)
isa...@adobe.com

345 Park Avenue
San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA
http://www.adobe.com







Feel free to print this e-mail
if your needs dictate hard copy.
There is no need to feel guilty about printing!
Paper is renewable and recyclable.

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Chris Coggins
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:25 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Acrobat X Pro settings

Would anyone happen to know how to copy the Acrobat X Pro settings from a pc to 
a laptop, all things being equal (same os, graphics display, etc)

The problem prompting this request is that the newly installed Acrobat X Pro on 
the laptop does not save PDFs in the same way as the one on the pc. 
Specifically, when I open a pdf and add markups to it in the laptop version, 
the resulting saved file is huge. The same activity on the version installed on 
the pc does not  substantially increase the filesize.

Filesizes are an issue when working over a crowded network and I need to find a 
way to make the marked-up pdfs much smaller without having to go through the 
addition step of saving-as reduced file size. I want to be able to just save 
the document in the same manner as was occurring on the pc.

I also noticed a very similar question was posted at the adobe forums last 
summer and noone has replied to it. Hopefully someone here might know the 
answer to get the same behavior out of a new Acrobat X Pro install as was 
occurring on a different computer.

Thanks,
Chris
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