Re: Tag-compare tool?
Hi, Nancy: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote: While I'm drawing on your endless font of wisdom, O Frame Gurus, I have another question: I see a document-compare function in Framemaker, but my web search has not turned up a tag-compare function within (or between) documents. My document has an Anchor paragraph tag and an AnchorTable paragraph tag. In my zeal to reduce the number of tags, I'd like to know the difference between these tags. I know how to print out an exhaustive list of tags (I think it's from that lovely CleanImport plugin), so I can go cross-eyed comparing the tag properties in print. BUT . . . is there a way within Frame, or with a plugin, to compare two tags using the astonishing powers of the computer, which doesn't even go crosseyed with effort? * Select the text of each file's list of tags and convert it to a table. Sort the tables. OR * Tag the text of each file's list of tags with a unique tag and generate an alphabetic paragraph list. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Tag-compare tool?
Hi, Nancy: I don't know if there's a utility that compares format properties (BTW, don't forget x-ref formats and variable formats.) However, I believe that the properties are listed in MIF in the same order; i.e., first comes, say, default font, then the font properties - weight, variation, point size, etc. So, you might get somewhere by saving empty documents as MIF, then editing the MIF in a text editor, cutting out all the non-format stuff and saving as text. Then open the text files and compare the files. You might even cut it down further and make the comparison utility less likely to be confused, by creating separate files for each format catalog - paragraph, character, table, cross-reference, variable, etc, so you're only comparing likes with likes. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote: Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. That is not the issue. My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar settings between two tags? In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful. Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. (Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new template from scratch, however.) The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or character tags is to: 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example) 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or patience. If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag properties, I will be glad to hear them. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Tag-compare tool?
Hello Nancy, There's a free FrameScript script from itl that compares the properties of two paragraph formats in a document. http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?L=1 See attached screenshots. Kind regards, Klaus Müller, itl AG --- Original Message --- From: Nancy Allison Date: 17.12.2008 18:13 Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. That is not the issue. My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar settings between two tags? In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful. Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. (Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new template from scratch, however.) The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or character tags is to: 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example) 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or patience. If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag properties, I will be glad to hear them. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Tag-compare tool?
Thanks, all. I'll try the Framescript tool -- a first for me! Then, the diff tools. Hmmm, must remember that OTHER tools can do what I may not be able to do in Frame, if I just export a file to them. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Tag-compare tool?
Hi Nancy MIFMuncher will create a text file listing all the paragraph characteristics that you selected, for all the paragraph formats in your document. It will not include character formats, cross-refs, tables, etc. However, I don't know how you would do a diff between sections of the same file. You can download MIFMuncher from http://www.stc-carolina.org/MIF+Muncher. Hope this helps. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: December 17, 2008 12:13 PM To: pe...@knowhowpro.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Tag-compare tool? Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. That is not the issue. My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar settings between two tags? In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful. Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. (Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new template from scratch, however.) The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or character tags is to: 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example) 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or patience. If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag properties, I will be glad to hear them. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as roger_shuttlewo...@tvworks.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%40tvworks.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Tag-compare tool?
Nancy, we use just one anchor tag for tabels and figures. It's just a tag to hang a frame on. I don't know of any reason to have separate tags. Diane == -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]on Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:13 AM To: pe...@knowhowpro.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Tag-compare tool? Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. That is not the issue. My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar settings between two tags? In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful. Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. (Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new template from scratch, however.) The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or character tags is to: 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example) 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or patience. If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag properties, I will be glad to hear them. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcal...@earthlink.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Tag-compare tool?
Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. That is not the issue. My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar settings between two tags? In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful. Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. (Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new template from scratch, however.) The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or character tags is to: 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example) 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or patience. If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag properties, I will be glad to hear them. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
