Re: [Frameworks] duall telecine?

[Steven]

Ahhh thanks, I see it now and understand.



Thanks.


On 9/1/13 2:35 PM, Jeff Kreines wrote:


On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Steven > wrote:


I have to check the Memoriav Dissier, but I did find it interesting 
to see the strange pattern in the pants of the person at the right 
side of the frame in the first image. It seemed to get worse with the 
rough grade.


I was wondering what you were referring to, Steven, until I looked.

That person at the far right of the frame is behind a window that has 
chicken-wire embedded in it.  You can see the edge of the window 
appear above Ricky Leacock's head.  It seemed normal to me since I 
worked there for 2 years, but realize that it appears as an artifact 
to someone unfamiliar with that strange window.


So chicken-wire window, not a scanning artifact.  Not sure that would 
be apparent in a lower-res scan.


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Re: [Frameworks] duall telecine?

[Jeff Kreines]

On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Steven  wrote:

> I have to check the Memoriav Dissier, but I did find it interesting to see 
> the strange pattern in the pants of the person at the right side of the frame 
> in the first image. It seemed to get worse with the rough grade.

I was wondering what you were referring to, Steven, until I looked.

That person at the far right of the frame is behind a window that has 
chicken-wire embedded in it.  You can see the edge of the window appear above 
Ricky Leacock's head.  It seemed normal to me since I worked there for 2 years, 
but realize that it appears as an artifact to someone unfamiliar with that 
strange window.

So chicken-wire window, not a scanning artifact.  Not sure that would be 
apparent in a lower-res scan.

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
j...@kinetta.com
kinetta.com




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Re: [Frameworks] duall telecine?

[Jeff Kreines]

On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:17 PM, ev petrol  wrote:

> projectors seem to handle splices better though ... got a kinetta scan in 
> paris & it jumps at all the splices (good ones, for the record, made with an 
> italian guillotine splicer); makes conforming tough going ...



The Kinetta in Paris is getting the new perf sensor upgrade later this month.  
They have the first of the current version of Kinetta.

The Kinetta uses uptick perf sensing, and if the splice isn't punched out 
perfectly it will jump.  A claw might not jump, but it can eat perfs after a 
bad splice, which a Kinetta can't do.

We always overscan, because some splices will jump -- it takes about 15 seconds 
to reposition a frame to deal with a bad splice in Resolve (which is free).

Projectors can damage film.  DuAll's system can't handily contrasty or 
underexposed film (they say so on their website).  




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Re: [Frameworks] duall telecine?

[ev petrol]

projectors seem to handle splices better though ... got a kinetta scan in paris 
& it jumps at all the splices (good ones, for the record, made with an italian 
guillotine splicer); makes conforming tough going ...


 
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] duall telecine?
 


I have to check the Memoriav Dissier, but I did find it interesting to see the 
strange pattern in the pants of the person at the right side of the frame in 
the first image. It seemed to get worse with the rough grade.


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On 9/1/13 12:51 AM, Jeff Kreines wrote:


>
>On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:06 PM, ev petrol  wrote:
>
>has anyone tried duall for super 8 telecines? 
>>
>
>
Moira:
>
>
>It's a projector-based system, and HD is the highest resolution.
>
>
>To see why HD is not enough resolution for HD, look at this, especially the 
>second-to-last page:
>
>
>http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28462740/Memoriav Dossier -- a response - 
>2012.pdf
>
>
>
>Jeff Kreines
>Kinetta
>j...@kinetta.com
>kinetta.com
>
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Re: [Frameworks] duall telecine?

[Steven]

I have to check the Memoriav Dissier, but I did find it interesting to 
see the strange pattern in the pants of the person at the right side of 
the frame in the first image. It seemed to get worse with the rough grade.


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New York Based Filmmaker
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http://indiekicker.reelgrok.com/
http://www.blakehousemovie.com
http://www.hellion.gladstonefilms.com



On 9/1/13 12:51 AM, Jeff Kreines wrote:


On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:06 PM, ev petrol > wrote:



has anyone tried duall for super 8 telecines?


Moira:

It's a projector-based system, and HD is the highest resolution.

To see why HD is not enough resolution for HD, look at this, 
especially the second-to-last page:


http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28462740/Memoriav Dossier -- a 
response - 2012.pdf 




Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
j...@kinetta.com 
kinetta.com


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Re: [Frameworks] duall telecine?

[Jeff Kreines]

On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:06 PM, ev petrol  wrote:

> has anyone tried duall for super 8 telecines? 

Moira:

It's a projector-based system, and HD is the highest resolution.

To see why HD is not enough resolution for HD, look at this, especially the 
second-to-last page:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28462740/Memoriav Dossier -- a response - 
2012.pdf

If you want to see Kinetta 3.3K scans of super-8 footage on a big screen go see 
OUR NIXON at the IFC.  All of the Super-8 was scanned on a Kinetta -- which is 
about 60% of the movie.  Note that some of it was scanned from bad Super-8 
contact prints as that was all that was available.  Also note that HR Haldeman 
was not very good at shooting!  But despite that, the S8 looks good on  big 
screen.

Best,

Jeff
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Re: [Frameworks] duall telecine?

[Jeff Kreines]

On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:06 PM, ev petrol  wrote:

> has anyone tried duall for super 8 telecines? 

Are you in NYC?  

Telecine is a terrible process -- it's video-centric, rarely can handle the 
dynamic range of reversal stocks.

Kinetta Archival is opening next week in NYC at 7 W. 22nd Street.  
Artist-friendly, scanning at 5x the resolution of HD (which makes a big 
difference).

If you have questions, email me at j...@kinetta.com

Jeff "of course I'm biased" Kreines


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[Frameworks] duall telecine?

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has anyone tried duall for super 8 telecines? 

 
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