Re: FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 RC1 and KDE4
Hi, On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > The KDE4 in FreeBSD 9.0 RC1 amd64 is generating enormous amount of error > messages during usage ( not visible on screen , but seen after Ctrl-Alt-F1 > discontinuation of X ) . This is making it extremely slow which may be > considered to be practically unusable . Actually parts are working generally > but every step is waiting so much that such a usage is not practically > applicable . > What are the message(s) ? Thanks, - Arnaud > The KDE4 in FreeBSD 9.0 RC1 i386 is working satisfactorily , but for memory > requirements , it is not an alternative . > > There are important usability differences between both architectures with > respect to KDE4 execution . > > > One alternative is mentioned as PC-BSD , but installation of PC-BSD is NOT > possible : > > In PC-BSD 8.2 amd64 Release and following snapshot(s) , within 18 ( eighteen > ) hours , only a small percent ( less than % 10 ) could be installed . > Now , in PC-BSD 9.0 RC1 amd64 , I am still waiting : In 4 ( four ) hours it > could come to "Installing Meta Package : base-system" . > Such an installation structure is really unusable . I will discontinue it > because it seems that complete install will require many days with that > speed . > > I am continuously installing many other distributions which mostly they are > consuming time around thirty minutes ( except upgrade during installation , > if it is selected ) . > > Thirty minutes may be considered an acceptable duration for installation , > let's say , time less than one hour as endurable . > It should not be forgotten that , the task is copy of approximately 4 Giga > Bytes to hard disk from a DVD-Rom with an additional decompressing of files > . > > Therefore , for the KDE4 users in the amd64 platform , there is a big > problem . > > This was also the case for 8.2 amd64 Release . > > > > Thank you very much . > > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > ___ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 RC1 and KDE4
On Thursday 27 October 2011 01:09:25 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > The KDE4 in FreeBSD 9.0 RC1 amd64 is generating enormous amount of error > messages during usage ( not visible on screen , but seen after Ctrl- Alt-F1 > discontinuation of X ) . This is making it extremely slow which may be > considered to be practically unusable . Actually parts are working > generally but every step is waiting so much that such a usage is not > practically applicable . You didn't say anything about those error messages, though. It might come useful. We keep trying to improve the situation thanks to reports from our users. > Therefore , for the KDE4 users in the amd64 platform , there is a big > problem . > > This was also the case for 8.2 amd64 Release . Actually, you're the first one to report such a problem. If this "was also the case for 8.2" you could have said it earlier. Any chance to get some help from you to investigate the issue? -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla Man who arrives at party two hours late will find he has been beaten to the punch. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 RC1 and KDE4
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Alberto Villa wrote: > On Thursday 27 October 2011 01:09:25 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > The KDE4 in FreeBSD 9.0 RC1 amd64 is generating enormous amount of > error > > messages during usage ( not visible on screen , but seen after Ctrl- > Alt-F1 > > discontinuation of X ) . This is making it extremely slow which may be > > considered to be practically unusable . Actually parts are working > > generally but every step is waiting so much that such a usage is not > > practically applicable . > > You didn't say anything about those error messages, though. It might > come useful. We keep trying to improve the situation thanks to reports > from our users. > > > Therefore , for the KDE4 users in the amd64 platform , there is a big > > problem . > > > > This was also the case for 8.2 amd64 Release . > > Actually, you're the first one to report such a problem. If this "was also > the case for 8.2" you could have said it earlier. Any chance to get some > help from you to investigate the issue? > -- > Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla > > Man who arrives at party two hours late > will find he has been beaten to the punch. > In a message previously I mentioned the KDE4 problem for 8.2 amd64 Release , but that message even did not receive a single reply . Always I may help with pleasure , but I do not know how . I think the problem is not related to hardware because i386 KDE4 is working very well . On the same computer , there are four hard disks , and each disk has a different operating system , mostly 64 bit ones . All of them using KDE4 and working very well . If you consider useful , my ideas are following : During start-up of KDE4 , screen is painted with its wall paper only . Since X is already running , it is possible to open a window and display messages on it with possible saving to a text file . This file may be transmitted to experts for possible studies . At present , monitors are cheap . I want to install multiple monitors on the same computer to watch serial console output on a regular ( VGA ) monitor ( because in market , there is NO any serial console on sale in computer shops ( I am in Turkey )) . Really , I do not know how to implement a regular ( VGA ) computer instead of a serial console . A very good application in FreeBSD may be to allow such a multiple monitor definition during install and use them for virtual terminals simultaneously . Using a second computer for serial console is not very practical due to software and hardware problems . If you know my actual problem , you may understand me better . I am writing a multimedia information management system as continuation of my PhD thesis feasibility demonstration program . Due to health problems it is progressing very slowly . My primary aim is to base it on a free , permissive , open source operating system . My program , with a freely usable version , will be closed source ( for sale , if I can do ) . I need a permissive ( BSD like licensed ) operating system , because a data base without operating system support can not be secure in itself . Unfortunately , I am using Pascal only , Fortran for scientific programming and very rarely C , ( with a knowledge of other many programming languages ) . I want to start on working internal structure of an operating system . Linux is NOT usable due to GPL . Minix ( does not have a capable Pascal ) , Haiku , are not sufficiently mature . NetBSD , OpenBSD , DragonFlyBSD are not better than FreeBSD . OpenSolaris died , OpenIndiana is using copyright dependent parts . The most viable selection is FreeBSD for 64 bits ... In such an environment , usability of multiple terminals ( monitors ) simultaneously as distinct display areas with output direction possibility via parameter files would be very useful . Assume values are written into distinct files , where files are monitors . Not only for my own benefits , also for contribution to humanity ( My main hobby was to write mathematical analysis programs to support researches , with very hard work : Conclusion : My wife had divorced me with a complaint that I am studying very much , occupying home with computers , etc. ) , I always wish to make contributions to FreeBSD because of its very good license ( even commercial companies may use it freely which is a very good decision for me ) and its high quality . To test the KDE4 in FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 RC1 , you can do the following : Install X . Install KDE4 . Login to console . Without an .xinitrc file , and unmodified /etc/ttys file , execute startx . ( Do not start KDE4 directly . ) In right xterm window of X , execute /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde ( /usr/local/kde4/bin is not in path definition ) . In that terminal , you will see a lot of messages . After display of messages , a form will appear to display KDE4 . Then , I do not know , but , even this will supply much information about what is going problematic .
Re: FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 RC1 and KDE4
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > wrote: > > The KDE4 in FreeBSD 9.0 RC1 amd64 is generating enormous amount of error > > messages during usage ( not visible on screen , but seen after > Ctrl-Alt-F1 > > discontinuation of X ) . This is making it extremely slow which may be > > considered to be practically unusable . Actually parts are working > generally > > but every step is waiting so much that such a usage is not practically > > applicable . > > > What are the message(s) ? > > Thanks, > - Arnaud > > > The KDE4 in FreeBSD 9.0 RC1 i386 is working satisfactorily , but for > memory > > requirements , it is not an alternative . > > > > There are important usability differences between both architectures with > > respect to KDE4 execution . > > > > > > One alternative is mentioned as PC-BSD , but installation of PC-BSD is > NOT > > possible : > > > > In PC-BSD 8.2 amd64 Release and following snapshot(s) , within 18 ( > eighteen > > ) hours , only a small percent ( less than % 10 ) could be installed . > > Now , in PC-BSD 9.0 RC1 amd64 , I am still waiting : In 4 ( four ) hours > it > > could come to "Installing Meta Package : base-system" . > > Such an installation structure is really unusable . I will discontinue it > > because it seems that complete install will require many days with that > > speed . > > > > I am continuously installing many other distributions which mostly they > are > > consuming time around thirty minutes ( except upgrade during installation > , > > if it is selected ) . > > > > Thirty minutes may be considered an acceptable duration for installation > , > > let's say , time less than one hour as endurable . > > It should not be forgotten that , the task is copy of approximately 4 > Giga > > Bytes to hard disk from a DVD-Rom with an additional decompressing of > files > > . > > > > Therefore , for the KDE4 users in the amd64 platform , there is a big > > problem . > > > > This was also the case for 8.2 amd64 Release . > > > > > > > > Thank you very much . > > > > > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > Please see my reply to Alberto Villa . ( I am installing onto a single hard disk , I am NOT using any virtual machine . I consider using virtual machine in final testing an important error because at the end the distribution will be installed onto a bare metal . ) On that hard disk , I was trying to install PC-BSD 9.0 amd64 RC1 , to check its KDE4 usage , but due to its very long install time , I have discontinued it and I have Installed Scientific Linux . It is using KDE4 and it is working very well . Therefore , I will not be able to supply any error message at present . My opinion is that , the error messages are not directly related to my computer , but inconsistencies between compiled parts . For example , one message was about : kcheckrunning is not found . This was in /usr/local/kde4/bin directory . By thinking PATH is not properly defined , I have included /usr/local/kde4/bin into PATH , but that did not solve any problem . I have checked the 9.0 i386 RC1 PATH . It does not contain /usr/local/kde4/bin . I have studied /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde script ( without much understanding ) of 9.0 amd64 RC1 . It seems that , it is defining path itself . I do not know whether its definition is correct or not . Perhaps the problem is in those definitions . Additionally there was "...?... crashed" messages . I do not know . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 RC1 and KDE4
You could try something like: script startx Then exit X when it's done, and the script command should've put the output into a text file for you. adrian ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 RC1 and KDE4
On Thursday 27 October 2011 02:34:11 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > In a message previously I mentioned the KDE4 problem for 8.2 amd64 Release > , but that message even did not receive a single reply . Things just may get lost, sorry. > Install X . > Install KDE4 . > Login to console . > Without an .xinitrc file , and unmodified /etc/ttys file , execute startx . > ( Do not start KDE4 directly . ) > In right xterm window of X , execute /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde > ( /usr/local/kde4/bin is not in path definition ) . Done. > Then , I do not know , but , even this will supply much information about > what is going problematic . Correction of first displayed errors and > continuing in that way , will solve the problems one by one . I see several kinds of messages: - kcheckrunning not found in PATH... this can indeed be fixed, and I'll do it, but it's harmless; - logs of activity... they're expected; - the KSharedDataCache one, "ensure this partition...", is harmless (I'll patch kdelibs to hide this as it's causing a lot of misunderstandings... and maybe I'll just make it work on 9.x and 10.x); - messages about Soprano/Akonadi/Virtuoso not being started... I guess it's because they still have to start, and sure enough they disappear after a while, and Akonadi/Nepomuk seem to work; - X errors... well, they're due to my driver. Apart from this, Plasma Desktop starts successfully, Amarok can play music... In short, my session is fully restored. Apart from KWin, but a kwin --replace would be needed for this. > If KDE4 is starting directly , during waiting after display of hard disk > symbol , discontinuation of X with Ctrl-Alt-F1 will reveal some messages , > but last ones . Therefore , the above method is better than that second > method . I don't understand what "starting directly" means. Anyway, if you see the same messages, there's nothing wrong here as well. -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla COLORADO: Where they don't buy M & M's, 'cause they're so hard to peel. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 RC1 and KDE4
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:55 AM, Alberto Villa wrote: > On Thursday 27 October 2011 02:34:11 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > In a message previously I mentioned the KDE4 problem for 8.2 amd64 > Release > > , but that message even did not receive a single reply . > > Things just may get lost, sorry. > > > Install X . > > Install KDE4 . > > Login to console . > > Without an .xinitrc file , and unmodified /etc/ttys file , execute > startx . > > ( Do not start KDE4 directly . ) > > In right xterm window of X , execute /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde > > ( /usr/local/kde4/bin is not in path definition ) . > > Done. > > > Then , I do not know , but , even this will supply much information > about > > what is going problematic . Correction of first displayed errors and > > continuing in that way , will solve the problems one by one . > > I see several kinds of messages: > - kcheckrunning not found in PATH... this can indeed be fixed, and I'll do > it, but it's harmless; > - logs of activity... they're expected; > - the KSharedDataCache one, "ensure this partition...", is harmless (I'll > patch kdelibs to hide this as it's causing a lot of misunderstandings... > and maybe I'll just make it work on 9.x and 10.x); > - messages about Soprano/Akonadi/Virtuoso not being started... I guess > it's because they still have to start, and sure enough they disappear > after a while, and Akonadi/Nepomuk seem to work; > - X errors... well, they're due to my driver. > > Apart from this, Plasma Desktop starts successfully, Amarok can play > music... In short, my session is fully restored. Apart from KWin, but a > kwin > --replace would be needed for this. > > > If KDE4 is starting directly , during waiting after display of hard disk > > symbol , discontinuation of X with Ctrl-Alt-F1 will reveal some > messages , > > but last ones . Therefore , the above method is better than that > second > > method . > > I don't understand what "starting directly" means. Anyway, if you see > the same messages, there's nothing wrong here as well. > -- > Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla > > "Starting directly" KDE4 means , inserting into ~/.xinitrc , the statement exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde and then use startx after login in the console . The problem caused by the messages is at least the time used to generate them . Starting of KDE4 or its parts are taking a long time with respect to other system KDE4 start up times which is actually unacceptable or unusable . ( My ADSL line was broken at the ISP side since October , 27 . Today it has started to work . ) Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 RC1 and KDE4
On Monday 31 October 2011 17:05:06 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > The problem caused by the messages is at least the time used to generate > them . Some of these have been removed in the latest kdelibs4 port. > Starting of KDE4 or its parts are taking a long time with respect to other > system KDE4 start up times which is actually unacceptable or unusable . Unfortunately, unless you paste a log of your errors, I cannot go any further with this investigation. -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla The Pig, if I am not mistaken, Gives us ham and pork and Bacon. Let others think his heart is big, I think it stupid of the Pig. -- Ogden Nash signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
